The problem of evil

[HitchSlap]

It sounds like a political conspiracy to me. But I honestly have not read much about it.

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It's basically the reason behind why creationists feel it's ok to lie.

https://ncse.com/creationism/general/wedge-document

https://ncse.com/files/pub/creationism/The_Wedge_Strategy.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wedge_Strategy

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Just as scientists have been accused by other scientists of misrepresenting scientific "facts". Again, dishonesty is a HUMAN issue, not confined to one particular set of opinions or beliefs.

Scientists have processes for dealing with such issues. Creationists have a Statement of Faith, like that of AiG, which says the following:

By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record.

As I recall, I challenged you to find a single reputable scientific organisation that has something resembling this statement of faith. How is that going?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

When talking about evolution versus creation, it's creationists who are accused by other Christians of misrepresenting Biblical scripture.

I cannot argue with that. However, it just sounds like you are trying to justify people who intentionally misrepresent scripture to defend their arguments against Christianity.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Sounds like you

• Davian
• Nov 4, 2014

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[Archaeopteryx]

I cannot argue with that. However, it just sounds like you are trying to justify people who intentionally misrepresent scripture to defend their arguments against Christianity.

In my experience, scientists let creationists present their own understanding of scripture, and they don't tend to challenge them on it unless they too happen to be Christian, but read Genesis non-literally. Sometimes they also point out that many Christians don't read the Bible like creationists do. It's sufficient for the scientist to present the case for evolution, without even touching scripture. But of course the creationist will demand a scriptural justification.

 

[amariselle]

Brought to you by the fine folks over at the "Discovery" Institute.

It's basically the reason behind why creationists feel it's ok to lie.

https://ncse.com/creationism/general/wedge-document

https://ncse.com/files/pub/creationism/The_Wedge_Strategy.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wedge_Strategy

Well, I don't care what the "Discovery Institute" says, I don't believe it is okay to lie. (Though I freely admit I have made mistakes in my life, I am not okay with my mistakes.) This is why I know I need a Saviour.

 

[HitchSlap]

Well, I don't care what the "Discovery Institute" says, I don't believe it is okay to lie. (Though I freely admit I have made mistakes in my life, I am not okay with my mistakes.) This is why I know I need a Saviour.

Yeah, we all make mistakes.

Although, I'm a little disappointed that you're not concerned that other Christian creationists are playing fast and loose with the facts.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Just as scientists have been accused by other scientists of misrepresenting scientific "facts". Again, dishonesty is a HUMAN issue, not confined to one particular set of opinions or beliefs.

Hey, how about that global warming issue? Scientist have been turning that into a political agenda. Blatant dishonesty on both sides. As far as the whole evolution/creation issue, there have been numerous frauds by scientist in order to disprove creationists. Anyone can do a quick Google search and find:

-The Ernst Haeckels evolution embryo fraud

-The "Piltdown Man hoax"

-The "Nebraska Man hoax"

-The "Java Man hoax"

-The "Orce Man"

These are just to name a few. Not trying to prove or disprove evolution. However, this is proof that dishonesty have been seen on both sides.

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[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Brought to you by the fine folks over at the "Discovery" Institute.

It's basically the reason behind why creationists feel it's ok to lie.

https://ncse.com/creationism/general/wedge-document

https://ncse.com/files/pub/creationism/The_Wedge_Strategy.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wedge_Strategy

Thanks.

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[ToddNotTodd]

Everyone has lied at one point or another, we are ALL guilty of this. Has it happened on these forums?, sure, it likely has. However, I would say that lies (intentional or not) have been told on BOTH sides, not just by "Theists." Placing all of the blame on one group of people is hardly honest in and of itself.

Because in my experience, the lies I see are only coming from the theists on this board, I'm justified in my position. So my position is completely honest. Can you point to non-theists lying? It might change my mind...

 

[Davian]

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Did not go through what?

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[ToddNotTodd]

No ma'am. I am referring to Todd. You gave him an answer that he didn't like so now he wants to debate it with you.

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Lol. Hey, how's about responding to my posts about the actual topic instead of the ones where I point out your dishonesty?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Yeah, we all make mistakes.

Although, I'm a little disappointed that you're not concerned that other Christian creationists are playing fast and loose with the facts.

What would you suggest she should do? She sounds concerned about honesty to me?

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[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Because in my experience, the lies I see are only coming from the theists on this board, I'm justified in my position. So my position is completely honest. Can you point to non-theists lying? It might change my mind...

So you never seen any atheist ever misrepresent scripture to further their argument?

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[HitchSlap]

What would you suggest she should do? She sounds concerned about honesty to me?

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Isn't she the one who said she didn't care what the DI was doing?

 

[amariselle]

Yeah, we all make mistakes.

Although, I'm a little disappointed that you're not concerned that other Christian creationists are playing fast and loose with the facts.

Where did I say I am not concerned that there are Christians who are deliberately lying? In fact I have said exactly the opposite on other subforums and started a thread about the deception happening within the Christian church as well.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/together-2016-the-reset-movement.7950933/

I realize that you cannot participate in the above thread, but you can perhaps read it. I am in reality very concerned about such things, don't assume otherwise.

 

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Did not go through what?

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In your post. I cannot see the picture. Perhaps it is the Tapatalk app.

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[amariselle]

Isn't she the one who said she didn't care what the DI was doing?

I said it has no bearing on what I believe about lying, in that sense, no, I don't care if they say I should be okay with lying, because I'm not.

 

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Did not go through what?

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I need to figure out how to change the whole "sent from my SM-G930V" thing. It is driving me bonkers.

 

[HitchSlap]

So you never seen any atheist ever misrepresent scripture to further their argument?

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Of course they have. What's your point? Are you suggesting that there's an atheist organization whose goal it is to misrepresent the bible in a deliberate and systematic fashion?