The problem of evil

[Kenny'sID]

The act in question is punishing people three or four generations down the line for the sins of their ancestors.

Still looking for the mentioned Biblical reference to this happening or even where it was mandated will be fine. The more verses, the better

 

[Dave Ellis]

Do you not know your own bible?

Deuteronomy 5:9 - You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me

Exodus 20:5-6 - I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Exodus 34:7 - Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children unto the third and to the fourth generation

Numbers 14:18 - Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation

There's at the very least a dozen, and likely more examples of future generations paying the price for the crimes of their ancestors as well in the bible.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Do you not know your own bible?

Yes.

Since the question is yours, I thought it best you bring to the table exactly what you are referring to in order to minimize chance of confusion. Thanks for going to the trouble.

To help get the ball rolling for those that are asking this and haven't gone to bed yet, and before we get into it any further, may I suggest you take into consideration all verses in their entirety, pay special attention the the terms "hate me" and "guilty" and their context, as well as general context of the verses as they relate to the verses before and/or after those cited. If you have anything aside from the verses themselves you would like to point out now, please do.

Feel free to get started if you have comments. If not, hang in there and I'll comment further.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Yes.

Since the question is yours, I thought it best you bring to the table exactly what you are referring to in order to minimize chance of confusion. Thanks for going to the trouble.

To help get the ball rolling for those that are asking this and haven't gone to bed yet, and before we get into it any further, may I suggest you take into consideration all verses in their entirety, pay special attention the the terms "hate me" and "guilty" and their context, as well as general context of the verses as they relate to the verses before and/or after those cited. If you have anything aside from the verses themselves you would like to point out now, please do.

Feel free to get started if you have comments. If not, hang in there and I'll comment further.

I read the passages.

Even if hating him was something worthy of punishment, I still don't see how it's justifiable to punish the child, grandchild or great grandchild of the person who actually hated god. What did they do wrong? It's very likely two of the three, if not all three weren't even born when the hating was being done.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

If it's not moral for humans to do it, then why is it moral for god to do it?

I already answered that question.

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[bhsmte]

Because He has the authority to do so and humans do not.

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I would call that immoral and an abuse of authority.

But, it's ok, because he is God.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I would call that immoral and an abuse of authority.

But, it's ok, because he is God.

Is it immoral and an abuse of authority for a judge to sentence someone to death because we can't go around killing people who we see fit?

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[ToddNotTodd]

Is it immoral and an abuse of authority for a judge to sentence someone to death because we can't go around killing people who we see fit?

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Yep.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Yep.

The question was not for you. You have already made your opinion known. But since you are responding: Do you believe that a Judge who sentences someone to death is a immoral person?

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[Dave Ellis]

I already answered that question.

Where? I didn't see an answer

 

[HitchSlap]

Yes.

Since the question is yours, I thought it best you bring to the table exactly what you are referring to in order to minimize chance of confusion. Thanks for going to the trouble.

To help get the ball rolling for those that are asking this and haven't gone to bed yet, and before we get into it any further, may I suggest you take into consideration all verses in their entirety, pay special attention the the terms "hate me" and "guilty" and their context, as well as general context of the verses as they relate to the verses before and/or after those cited. If you have anything aside from the verses themselves you would like to point out now, please do.

Feel free to get started if you have comments. If not, hang in there and I'll comment further.

Waiting with baited breath.

 

[bhsmte]

Is it immoral and an abuse of authority for a judge to sentence someone to death because we can't go around killing people who we see fit?

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This has what to do with the post I commented on?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

This has what to do with the post I commented on?

Because authority is the key difference between God and man. The reason why a judge is able to sentence someone to death and we cannot is the exact same reason why God can do things that would be immoral for man to do.

Let's try a different approach. Why do we not allow human cloning and genetically cross-breeding human DNA with animals. It is because many (including atheists) believe it to be immoral. It is described as an attempt to "play God" by acting outside our authority as humans and undermining the authority of nature.

 

[bhsmte]

Because authority is the key difference between God and man. The reason why a judge is able to sentence someone to death and we cannot is the exact same reason why God can do things that would be immoral for man to do.

Let's try a different approach. Why do we not allow human cloning and genetically cross-breeding human DNA with animals. It is because many (including atheists) believe it to be immoral. It is described as an attempt to "play God" by acting outside our authority as humans and undermining the authority of nature.

Doesn't change my original point.

If God can do things (just because he is God) and they are excused and or explained away, that is an immoral and bankrupt theology - IMO.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Doesn't change my original point.

If God can do things (just because he is God) and they are excused and or explained away, that is an immoral and bankrupt theology - IMO.

How so? Please explain.

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[bhsmte]

How so? Please explain.

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Answered in previous post.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Answered in previous post.

It is morally bankrupt because it is immoral and abuse of authority...is that correct?

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[bhsmte]

It is morally bankrupt because it is immoral and abuse of authority...is that correct?

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Any entity, that is given blanket authority to do what they like, is indeed an abuse of authority.

This entity that Christians claim, allows 9 million children to die each year before the age of five and some will say because of the sins of others. Immoral and bankrupt theology.

Many Christians will say, this entity will save the serial killer who finds Jesus in prison. While at the same time, will doom the Hindu who lives a life of helping others, to eternal torment. Immoral and bankrupt theology.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Because authority is the key difference between God and man. The reason why a judge is able to sentence someone to death and we cannot is the exact same reason why God can do things that would be immoral for man to do.

That's nonsense. Just because you have authority to carry out an act doesn't make that act moral. Concentration camp commanding officers have the authority to murder people for any number of reasons, does the fact they have authority have any bearing on the morality of their act? Even in the judge example, the morality or immorality of handing out a death sentence has nothing to do with the authority of the judge.

And who gives god the authority, himself? If so, then basically what you're arguing is whatever god decides to do by default is moral. If that's the case, then what does morality even mean?

Let's try a different approach. Why do we not allow human cloning and genetically cross-breeding human DNA with animals. It is because many (including atheists) believe it to be immoral. It is described as an attempt to "play God" by acting outside our authority as humans and undermining the authority of nature.

I don't think it's immoral because we're trying to play god, I think it's immoral because of the effect it might have on the creature we create. It's a virtual guarantee they'd have a myriad of genetic problems, and who knows what the psychological effects would be.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Even in the judge example, the morality or immorality of handing out a death sentence has nothing to do with the authority of the judge.

So why in your opinion is it acceptable for a judge to sentence someone to death but a vigilante cannot kill someone they believed to deserve to die?

And who gives god the authority, himself? If so, then basically what you're arguing is whatever god decides to do by default is moral. If that's the case, then what does morality even mean?

Simply put....yes. If you have a problem with that you can take that up with Him on judgement day. What does morality mean? Doing anything that fulfills God's will is good, anything that does not is bad.

I don't think it's immoral because we're trying to play god, I think it's immoral because of the effect it might have on the creature we create. It's a virtual guarantee they'd have a myriad of genetic problems, and who knows what the psychological effects would be.

And what about euthanasia on the terminally I'll and assisted suicide?



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