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The Partial Preterist Believers Safe House

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by 1disciple, Apr 15, 2013.

  1. zeke37

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    Messiah's ministry was prob only 70 weeks long
    Michael Rood does a good job explaining it
    i'll dig up the link
     
  2. zeke37

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    do u think Constantine was a good guy or a bad guy?
    do u think Zec14 was fulfilled in 312 AD?
     
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  3. interpreter

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    The 5 horsemen of the Revelation are the good guys.
    I have not studied Zechariah.
     
  4. zeke37

    zeke37 IMO...

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    sorry, I did not realize this was a safe house...im out!
     
  5. parousia70

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    My only Comment would that since there is no "year 0", Counting 69 "weeks" from 457 BC would take you to 26 AD, not 27AD. (then to 30 & 33 AD respectively)

    Otherwise, spot on.
     
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  6. ebedmelech

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    Chiming in here to through out how Christ fulfilled all the feasts given under the Law.

    There's a thread on "Are The Feast Of The Lord Fulfilled?" in the Eschatology Forum. I submitted this in response to a poster who believes the fall feast remain to be fulfilled.

    I think this answers HOW Christ fulfilled them...and I say that because Paul tells us as Christians, we no longer need to observe these feasts in Colossians 2:16, 17:
    16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

    Christ is the "REAL STUFF" of these feast...and He fulfilled everyone this way:

    The Feast Of The Lord Fulfilled In Christ:

    Passover Feast - John the Baptist said "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world". This is what the feast pointed to. Jesus sacrifice for our sins. Furthermore Paul clearly says this is so in 1 Corinthians 5:7:
    7 Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.

    Feast of Unleavened Bread - Leaven was symbolic of sin when Christ died he was without sin. Paul make the point very well in 1 Corinthians 5:7, 8:
    7 Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.
    8 Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.


    The Feast of Firstfruits - Fulfilled by Christ resurrection! as 1 Corinthians 15:20-22 says:
    20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
    21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
    22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.


    Furthermore a passage in Matthew 27 that many ignore makes the point many were resurrected when Christ ascended...as Matthew 27:50-52:
    50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.
    51 And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
    52 The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.

    These who were raised with Christ, are also the firstfruits...and they went with Jesus to THE JERUSALEM ABOVE and appeared to the heavenly host!!!

    Feast of Penetecost - Pentecost occurred 50 days after the Feast of Firstfruits. Jesus was the firstfruits and 50 days later on Pentecost the harvest began. That's why Jesus told the disciples in Matthew 9:38:
    38 Therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out workers into His harvest.”

    The apostles began the work of the harvest on Pentecost...and Jesus is LORD OF THE HARVEST!

    Feast of Trumpets - This feasts gathered all of God's people for a sabbath rest. This is the one feast that most erroneously attributes to 1 Corinthians 15 51, 52 where Paul speaks of the "last trumpet"...but as Leviticus 23:23-25 tells us the blowing of the trumpets was for a sabbath rest and a offering to the Lord:
    23 Again the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
    24 “Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘In the seventh month on the first of the month you shall have a rest, a reminder by blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation.
    25 You shall not do any laborious work, but you shall present an offering by fire to the Lord.’”


    Christ fulfills the Feast of Trumpets because we REST in Jesus and offer ourselves as a living sacrifice to Him!!! Jesus said in Matthew 11:28, 29:
    28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
    29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.


    The Day of Attonement - It should be easy as Hebrews 9:11, 12:
    11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
    12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.


    Clearly fulfilled in Christ!

    Feats of Tabernacles - This feast is misunderstood basically because of the prophecy of Zechariah 14:16...which says
    16 Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

    What's really missed in this passage is The Feast of Tabernacles (Booths), speaks of when we finally dwell with God, as Revelation 21:3 says:
    3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,
    How did Christ fulfill the Feast of Tabernacles? He came from heaven to dwell among us as John 1:14 says:
    14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

    Furthermore when Jesus went to the Feast of Tabernacles in John 7:37, 38 He said:
    37 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
    38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’”


    At verse 39 we get the idea of HOW the Feast of Tabernacles is again fulfilled:
    39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

    Christ dwells in us by the Holy Spirit! He said again in John 14:23, Jesus paints the picture of the Feast of Tabernacles:
    23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.

    I welcome any comments...:thumbsup:
     
  7. Anto9us

    Anto9us Ecumenical loose canon

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    I think the chart of 70 weeks looks pretty accurate - dunno about that "year zero" - what parousia70 said makes sense
     
  8. ebedmelech

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    The "Israel of God" was was somewhat difficult for me to see when I was young in my Christian walk.

    However I can remember discussing with a Christian friend back in the late 80's. We were discussing our salvation and saying on the basis of Romans 2 that it *seemed* we were "Spiritual Jews" through Christ. Little did I know then, that we were on the right track.

    I can remember the teaching of my church which was Independent Baptist. They hold the view that Israel will be a future kingdom. I really struggled with that because being a young Christian I'm thinking "the pastor has to know".

    I'm very glad I've come to maturity in Christ, and I realize as I searched through the variety of eschatological views...I'm accountable to God to search the scriptures.

    I haven't seen or heard from my friend back then...and maybe we'll come in contact again...but I'm glad I got it right...we saints are the "Israel of God".

    As Paul says in Galatians 6:15, 16:
    15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
    16 And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
     
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  9. Anto9us

    Anto9us Ecumenical loose canon

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    The "Israel of God" is biblical - the "New Israel" is not

    but use either one of em and you'll be accused of Replacement Theology

    I can be considered a "Partial Preterist" because I am partially convinced that Preterism is true

    I am not a 312 AD - Constantine- "Bow-huntin' preterist"

    I think I'm a 70 AD - Titus - Bowie Knife preterist

    cuz I like Bowie knives

    there are some preterists who cannot be named -

    of whom it is "unlawful to be uttered"

    (I mean on CF it is)
     
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  10. parousia70

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    Count me In too!
     
  11. ebedmelech

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    How hard is it to really understand that this is Jesus enthroned right now and we are in the millennium?

    *In Matthew 20:31 even the blind men knew this as the cried out this to be true:
    31 The crowd sternly told them to be quiet, but they cried out all the more, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on us!”

    *Jesus in Matthew 22:41-46 asked the Pharisees about this:

    41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question:
    42 “What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?” They *said to Him, “The son of David.”
    43 He *said to them, “Then how does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying,
    44 ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Until I put Your enemies beneath Your feet”’?
    45 If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?”
    46 No one was able to answer Him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask Him another question.


    *Peter's Acts 2 sermon makes this very clear that Jesus is that descendant.
    Acts 2:29-36
    29 “Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
    30 And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne,
    31 he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay.
    32 This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses.
    33 Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear.
    34 For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord,
    “Sit at My right hand,

    35 Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”’
    36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.”


    This is a fundamental problem of those who look to a literal 1000 year reign!
     
  12. L0U

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    I understand how you can lump all post-tribulationalists under the umbrella of dispensationalism because when I first heard of 'partial preterism' I threw-up in my mouth a little less that I did when I read some of the things on the preterist archive.
    But, looking back, I now know that we shouldn't do this.
    I have always told my pre-tribulational dispensationalist family that Jesus second coming has been moving forward since He ascended into heaven so I was supprised when I read what you wrote as that was the very first time I saw it in writing.
    I know that iron sharpens iron so thats why I'm posting here. I am a mature debator that loves and respect God's Word. I don't do well when there is presumption and name calling in debate because it is simply not Christ in us doing it.
    So with your permission I would request open and honest debate right here in your safehouse.
    I have questions that I need answeres to and I have conserns for the Church that need addressed away from all the noise of the many differrent theories being throne around in the forums.
    Do I have your permission?
     
  13. ebedmelech

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    LOU, 1disciple is no longer a member of the forum. He left complaining about someone reporting him to the moderators.
     
  14. L0U

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    Then I would request an open agreement to peacefully question those who are here?
    One question/issue at a time.
     
  15. Fenwick

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    I'm not sure this specific thread is the appropriate place for that, since it's intended to be a "safe house" of sorts for those who adhere to partial-preterism.
     
  16. L0U

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    They would be safe with me. My intent is not to cause strife but understanding.
    My word to you is that I will immediately leave on the word of one complaint.
    I will not offend your safehouse.
     
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  17. ebedmelech

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    Lou, what is it you hope to gain here? Understanding of partial preterism/amilleniallism?

    If so...I would point you to this site:
    http://www.preteristarchive.com/PartialPreterism/index.html

    There a lot of information there, and you would understand "full preterism" (which I am not), as well.
     
  18. L0U

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    I just want some answeres to problems that I have with with things that are said to be past already.
     
  19. L0U

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    Yes, I've been to the archive.
    But that just deals with the external. My problems have to do with more of an internal nature conserning God's Word that can be traced back to the fall of man.
    I'll just continue on the path He is leading me on.

    Thank you.
     
  20. ebedmelech

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    OK Lou. Feel free to hit me by PM with your questions and I'll do my best to answer what I can. That way there's no problem with the "safe house".

    I'm not to proud to say "I don't know" or "I'm not sure"...but I continue to study God's word for answers just as you do.
     
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