The order of fossils in the geological column

[Queller]

Not sure what you are asking. The climate changed after the flood and all the left over water in the northern extremities froze creating glaciers and land bridges. (Ice Age)

Prior to the flood there were no ice ages, hence no ice.

And your evidence for this...?

 

[Queller]

So since Eskimos live in a frozen waste land, that's not plausible?

Which part of the above is not reconcilable with a global flood?

 

[Queller]

It actually took months.

Not in the Biblical story it didn't.

 

[Queller]

Apparently there's no evidence (or need) for scientific theories either for "science never proves anything" .

Just throw something out there and see if it sticks. Anything. Because proof isn't required.

Evidence and proof are two different things. Do you understand that?

 

[Queller]

Remind us again how many tens of thousands of years (by representation) of ice and snow covered the lost squadron?

Was it something like 253 feet down?

Remind us again of how many times you have been told that the rate of ice and snow build up at the location of the Lost Squadron is a couple of orders of magnitude faster and more variable than the ice build up in the interior of Greenland where the annual layers are measured?

 

[Queller]

CD410: Airplanes Buried in Ice

And there's another time he has been told.

 

[Queller]

False! If the moon was created by pixie dust coming together as a moon then the moon started on earth! If we want to be technical with the fable, the moon actually formed higher up, but it's origin was right here ON earth from the phoney little magic planet smash up!

And yet the moon never crashed into the earth as you claimed, did it?

Wake up, lurkers, so called science is a fraud.

I'm sure the lurkers here know very well who the fraud is.

No, name one such experiment. Looking at decay merely shows decay goes on! How long this holds true is not a matter of experiment, but assumption that all the forces and laws that cause decay used to exist also!

The RATE Project, an attempt by YECs to falsify radioactive decay rates, admitted that there is evidence for AT LEAST 500 million years of consistent radioactive decay. This is what they found and they were TRYING to disprove radioactive decay.

Let's look at your link

OK, that is why I posted it after all.

"Here we set a limit on a possible cosmological variation of the proton-to-electron mass ratio μ by comparing transitions in methanol observed in the early universe with those measured in the laboratory. From radio-astronomical observations of PKS1830-211, we deduced a constraint of ∆μ/μ = (0.0 ± 1.0) × 10−7 at redshift z = 0.89, corresponding to a look-back time of 7 billion years. This is consistent with a null result."

The experiment was here. In a lab. The silly assumptions of time in the far universe and distance and 'early' universe are bad religion.

So your objection to this experiment is that the scientists didn't go to a galaxy 7 BILLION light years away and take the measurements directly?

And you can't even provide a single testable experiment for a different state past?

Hypocrite.

No, when a lie is echoed and repeated from the heart, even if people are not fully aware it is a lie, it still is.

Sorry, you are wrong, and therefore according to your claim, a liar as well.

People coulld know better if they believed God, so what excuse is there?

OWG mostly is trying to do science loosely using the bible as a guide. I don't have big issues with him on bible details, just how he assumes science relates to it. Aman has nothing to do with the bible, except trying to use it as a launching pad to promote his cult ideas such as modern man came through bestiality with ancient beings with no intellect, more like apes it seems. Then there is the stuff about Noah bring people to this planet and the little world under the lake etc etc. He may appear to some on a forum to be quasi bible savvy, but not to sane informed believers.

Since science is not based on God's truth or reality of the universe or past, one MUST step out from just what is in the Bible in black and white, to be able to address the issues they raise! Naturally, bible believers, in trying to do that will do it in different ways. I allow for that, and indulge in that also of course. What I will not allow is wild eyed insane claims that are not really an honest look at what the Actual Scriptures teach.

Nice rant. Are you done?

Good. Provide an experiment that will support or falsify your "different state past" hypothesis.

 

[dad]

And yet the moon never crashed into the earth as you claimed, did it?

Of course not. Nor did it start as imaginary crash up dust from earth as science claims! Regardless of that, they extrapolate it's movements backward, till it starts off FROM earth as supposed dust. I think they had to claim another moon also existed from that crash, because they need one to explain some things we see now!!

The RATE Project, an attempt by YECs to falsify radioactive decay rates, admitted that there is evidence for AT LEAST 500 million years of consistent radioactive decay. This is what they found and they were TRYING to disprove radioactive decay.

False, they mean IF there were a same state past.

So your objection to this experiment is that the scientists didn't go to a galaxy 7 BILLION light years away and take the measurements directly?

Looking inside a box, or a lab and then projecting our laws and time and space and nature out to unknown space and time is worthless.

And you can't even provide a single testable experiment for a different state past?

Science has no such experiment for ANY state past. One must look elsewhere.

Sorry, you are wrong, and therefore according to your claim, a liar as well.

God disagrees. he told us some thing about the past and future. Your made up nonsense does not resemble it in the slightest.

Nice rant. Are you done?

Science is not based on God's truth or reality of the universe or past. It is a made up universe and past based on applying their desired laws from the present state, in a God rejecting carnival of freaky fables!

Good. Provide an experiment that will support or falsify your "different state past" hypothesis.

Science isn't up to the task. They can only test and falsify things inside their little realm of physical only nature.

 

[dad]

Remind us again how many tens of thousands of years (by representation) of ice and snow covered the lost squadron?

Was it something like 253 feet down?

That might be interesting, to see an ice core from that area. A core, say 1000 feet deep. We could look at how many layers represented about 4 times the depth of a known event in time!

 

[AV1611VET]

That might be interesting, to see an ice core from that area. A core, say 1000 feet deep. We could look at how many layers represented about 4 times the depth of a known event in time!

Kent Hovind has a friend that did just that.

It comes out to some hundreds of years ago that the squadron was lost.

When I ran that past RickG, who used to post here, he justified it by saying that scientists don't take ice core samples from the edges of glaciers (where the squadron was found) because ice cores are laid down frequently around the edges and will give a false reading.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yes, I've heard of GAP theory.

Are you sure you're not thinking "God of the Gaps"?

I've never heard anyone proclaim that at some point in the "gap" between Gen 1:1 and Gen. 1:2 there was cataclysm that destroyed some planet.

That's what GAP theory is, the ruin/restoration of the original creation.

 

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Kent Hovind has a friend that did just that.

It comes out to some hundreds of years ago that the squadron was lost.

When I ran that past RickG, who used to post here, he justified it by saying that scientists don't take ice core samples from the edges of glaciers (where the squadron was found) because ice cores are laid down frequently around the edges and will give a false reading.

QV

 

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Are you sure you're not thinking "God of the Gaps"?



That's what GAP theory is, the ruin/restoration of the original creation.

Stop doing that.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Not in the Biblical story it didn't.

In my bible it did. These verses show a progression of the extent and depth of the flood. It took forty days for the water to reach and float the ark. The waters increased steadily over 150 days to cover the mountains.

17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

 

[AV1611VET]

You first. Show us how they measured alternations in oxygen isotopes in the ice that covered the planes, and how they determined if it was ice that formed in place or was transported by moving glaciers.

Sure thing.

QV please.

 

[AV1611VET]

Remind us again of how many times you have been told that the rate of ice and snow build up at the location of the Lost Squadron is a couple of orders of magnitude faster and more variable than the ice build up in the interior of Greenland where the annual layers are measured?

Remind us again where I say science runs on the No True Scotsman Principle?

 

[AV1611VET]

And there's another time he has been told.

I have no doubt you guys have it justified with some fancy algorithm.

None whatsoever.

As I have pointed out before:

If rabbits were found in the Precambrian, they would probably justify it by pushing the timeline back until the Precambrian became the Cambrian.

Even if they had to rig a vote behind locked doors to do it.

Remember Pluto?

 

[[serious]]

Sure thing.

QV please.

That link takes you to the following post:

Sure thing.

QV please.

Since you would have had to do a quick edit of the post to link it back to iself, I'm assuming you are trying to be humorous somehow, but i'm not getting the joke.

I'm assuming that you don't in fact have a friend that took ice cores?

 

[[serious]]

In my bible it did. These verses show a progression of the extent and depth of the flood. It took forty days for the water to reach and float the ark. The waters increased steadily over 150 days to cover the mountains.

17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Not seeing 150 days there. Let's take a bit more:

17For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.a b   21Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

24The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

That would be 40 days to flood, then the waters keeping it flooded for 150 days.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Not seeing 150 days there. Let's take a bit more:

17For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.a b   21Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

24The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

That would be 40 days to flood, then the waters keeping it flooded for 150 days.

The waters were still increasing after the 40 days of rain.