The order of fossils in the geological column

[Dizredux]

If you have no idea what the Earth looked before Noah's global flood how do you know that the landscape we observe now is not the result of it ?
The weight of a 5 miles high flood surely should have an effect on the Earth crust.

Mmm the ocean is almost 6 miles deep at the Mariana Trench and as far as I know the weight of water here has little effect on the earth's crust.

Perhaps you might need to rethink this a little.

Dizredux

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The Flood had to cover mountains at least 16,000 ft high with "calm" water for several months at least. That requires covering the entire earth in a layer of water at least 16,000 feet deep. We're talking about nearly 200 million square miles of earth's surface each square mile of which will need 3 cubic miles of water on top of it at a minimum. There isn't enough water on the planet to accomplish that.

According to my math there is plenty of water. Consider that,

70 per cent of the earth's surface is covered by water.

This water has an average depth of 14,000 feet.

The continents cover 30 per cent of the earth's surface, less than one-half of that covered by water.

This means that if the land's surface and the sea's surface were equal the average depth of the oceans would be more than 28,000 feet; more than enough to cover the Mountains of Ararat, especially if the continents sank even a little under the weight of the water.

Remember that my model has the sea floors bulging upward spilling their water onto the land i.e. the fountains of the great deep breaking up. The 28,000 feet figure is interesting isn't it (think Mt. Everest).

 

[Loudmouth]

How would large grained deposits form globally and uniformly from slow moving water?

Water crossing continents in the matter of days is not slow moving.

 

[Loudmouth]

According to my math there is plenty of water.

According to all of the geologic evidence, it never occurred. Consider that.

 

[Loudmouth]

No. The ice caps are fused/frozen to the land. It would take longer than one year to loosen them. Any degrading of the surface would be concealed by normal weathering.

They are sitting on the surface. Ice is less dense than water. A flood would strip Antarctica and Greenland of ice. It would just float to the surface.

 

[Riberra]

Mmm the ocean is almost 6 miles deep at the Mariana Trench and as far as I know the weight of water here has little effect on the earth's crust.

Perhaps you might need to rethink this a little.

Dizredux

What i mean is that the effect of the weight of a 5 miles high flood would have have the same kind of "sinking "effect ( Isostatic depression)on the continents that have happened during the last glaciation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isostatic_depression

Isostatic depression is the sinking of large parts of the Earth's crust into the asthenosphere. The sinking is caused by a heavy weight placed on the Earth's surface.
Often this is caused by the heavy weight of glacial ice due to continental glaciation. This is a process in which permanent ice places pressure on the Earth's crust, thereby depressing it with its weight.
After continental glaciation has receded, it is common for isostatic rebound to occur.



Post-glacial rebound - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Post-glacial rebound (sometimes called continental rebound, glacial isostasy, glacial isostatic adjustment) is the rise of land masses that were depressed by the huge weight of ice sheets during the last glacial period, through a process known as isostasy. It affects northern Europe (especially Scotland, Estonia, Fennoscandia, and northern Denmark), Siberia, Canada, the Great Lakes of Canada and the United States, the coastal region of the US state of Maine, parts of Patagonia, and Antarctica.

 

[EternalDragon]

They are sitting on the surface. Ice is less dense than water. A flood would strip Antarctica and Greenland of ice. It would just float to the surface.

Yet the ice didn't get there until after the flood and as a result of the flood.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yet the ice didn't get there until after the flood and as a result of the flood.

Since when does liquid water create temperatures which freeze water especially that quickly.

 

[Dusty Bin]

Is there any chance that someone was doing a Joseph Smith Jr? or didn't people tell lies then? what if they did?
that's where your faith is needed, were those people telling lies?

Did Jesus really rise from the dead or did someone add that story to the Bible later? it doesn't matter does it?
what matters is what you want to believe, what you want to be true, what really happened is not that important is it?
the only truth that's important is your truth, what you want to be true.

Everything else we do and think is based on inappropriate desires and false perceptions, which becomes our reality, why not religion?

At last we have got to the end. [/QUOTE]

You really don't understand, do you? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

'Everything' (hyperbole) = a whole lot of things.

I'm the one who doesn't understand...........

We are told his religion is based on inappropriate desires and false perceptions which becomes his reality and I'm the one who doesn't understand, talk about fooling yourself, then again......he's only concerned about fooling himself so who else should he try and fool? after all personal gods can only save one at a time.

 

[EternalDragon]

Since when does liquid water create temperatures which freeze water especially that quickly.

Not sure what you are asking. The climate changed after the flood and all the left over water in the northern extremities froze creating glaciers and land bridges. (Ice Age)

Prior to the flood there were no ice ages, hence no ice.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Not sure what you are asking. The climate changed after the flood and all the left over water in the northern extremities froze creating glaciers and land bridges. (Ice Age)

Prior to the flood there were no ice ages, hence no ice.

There have been many ice ages, we are still in one. Also, all the "left over water" would have still made the earth essentially flooded forever, because if there was enough water to flood the world and it all remained on earth, much more of the earth would still be flooded. Also, nothing about a global flood would create an ice age like that. Would it mess with weather patterns? Sure, but the elements of the atmosphere have much more influence on temperature than liquid water could.

 

[EternalDragon]

There have been many ice ages, we are still in one. Also, all the "left over water" would have still made the earth essentially flooded forever, because if there was enough water to flood the world and it all remained on earth, much more of the earth would still be flooded. Also, nothing about a global flood would create an ice age like that. Would it mess with weather patterns? Sure, but the elements of the atmosphere have much more influence on temperature than liquid water could.

Volcanic subduction during the flood could have caused a sort of nuclear winter over some parts of the earth. (Impact winter, volcanic winter).

 

[PsychoSarah]

Volcanic subduction during the flood could have caused a sort of nuclear winter over some parts pf the earth. (Impact winter, volcanic winter).

you do realize that would make Noah's survival even less plausible right?

 

[Dusty Bin]

you do realize that would make Noah's survival even less plausible right?

Give him a minute to think or help him, when he talks himself into a corner give him a way out.
remember, he didn't put himself into this mess someone else did so have a heart.

Perhaps God supplied them with extra blankets? who knows? don't forget they had all those animals to keep them warm.

 

[EternalDragon]

you do realize that would make Noah's survival even less plausible right?

So since Eskimos live in a frozen waste land, that's not plausible?

This is what was frozen.

 

[dad]

Is there any chance that someone was doing a Joseph Smith Jr?

Who was he, a Mormon?

Was there a spirit involved?

that's where your faith is needed, were those people telling lies?

Obama lies. Politicians lie. Militaries lie. Businesses lie. One would think the chances were slightly reduced for people lying bold faced when they are supposedly sincere men of faith. Nixon lied, but we now know some of those lies. After 15 centuries, have you caught the folks guarding the tomb of Christ lying?

You can't just wave off every book on earth, and every thing everyone says because people tend to lie.

Did Jesus really rise from the dead

Yes.

what matters is what you want to believe, what you want to be true, what really happened is not that important is it?

Not at all. reality matters. You can pretend it is 2020 if you like, fact is it is 2014. People set that to Jesus.

Once you lose contact with what is solidly supported over time, and time tested truth, you are lost in a house of mirrors where no truth is known. Lost. Dazed. Confused. In darkness.

 

[PsychoSarah]

So since Eskimos live in a frozen waste land, that's not plausible?

This is what was frozen.

Humans started out in the unfrozen parts, but we don't apply the factor of evolution in creationism so... Humans all die in your scenario. Additionally, when water freezes it expands, then floats, meaning that layers form. Thanks to this property masses of ice don't freeze to the ground, only ice on the surface freezes. The flood water being trapped as ice therefore isn't plausible, because for it to be cold enough to trap it would make the earth a giant ice ball completely covered and uninhabitable.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Water crossing continents in the matter of days is not slow moving.

It actually took months.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

They are sitting on the surface. Ice is less dense than water. A flood would strip Antarctica and Greenland of ice. It would just float to the surface.

Ice is barely lighter than water. In order for it to float free the rock would have to warm up enough to melt the bond. This wouldn't happen with a large mass of ice.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

At last we have got to the end.

I'm the one who doesn't understand...........

We are told his religion is based on inappropriate desires and false perceptions which becomes his reality and I'm the one who doesn't understand, talk about fooling yourself, then again......he's only concerned about fooling himself so who else should he try and fool? after all personal gods can only save one at a time.

Who are you talking to?