the Olivet Discourse understood

[tailgator]

You must be imagining something. I'm not arguing or rejecting this verse. Do you really want to have a conversation over nothing?

This, however, is off, in my opinion. You said:

"The end time prophecies covering the beast are being fulfilled. The false prophet will probably arrive in the promised land next year after Trump is reelected."

I think the Antichrist will rise 1st by taking 10 European states and joining them into a confederation under his control. Then, the False Prophet, managing two large jurisdictions, will throw his religious support behind the Antichristian Empire.

You also said this (concerning the Jews):

"They are still misrepresenting God's kingdom.
They claim it is theirs.They claim it was promised to them for an everlasting possession..They will be removed when Jesus comes.

Mathew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

This is a matter of debate--it isn't settled among Christians. You claim that anybody who rejects your *interpretation* of God's word is opposing God. That is wrong-headed and sectarian in spirit. There are good Christians on both sides of this.

I believe God promised Abraham a nation forever--as long as the age of mortal man continues. Whether or not there will be a future age in which Israel obtains its national promise again is open for debate. Amillennialists think it's all over when Christ comes--the Jews won't get a 2nd chance. Premills like myself believe the Jews will get a 2nd chance *after* Christ returns in the Millennial Age.

Why fight over it? Good Christians on both sides....

But I think I may have misunderstood your motive initially when you said this:

"You do err not knowing the word of God.

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

I think you were trying to point out that since the Jews rejected Jesus they rejected God. But my argument was that though the early generation of Jews rejected Jesus, fully conscious of who he was, future generation of Jews would be rejecting something that don't fully understand. We can't put all Jews in the same barrel just because an early generation of Jews consciously turned against their Messiah!

But you passed judgment on Jews by indicating that there is no more hope for their nation, and then passed judgment on me, as well, saying that "I err." Well, I don't care if you think I'm in error. It just bothers me that you support your judgment with the same spirit by which you consign the Jewish People to the dustbin in history.

That may or may not be true that Israel, as a nation, can not be restored. But just writing them all off en mass as a people in the Middle East is not a standard I think anybody can use for any nation. Is that what you're doing?

Abraham never received the land of Canaan which God promised to give him for an everlasting possession.He lived among the Canaanites who he looked upon as the rightfull owners of the land at the time.He bought a small.piece of land containing a cave and paid for it in silver for a burial place.It was not given to him.He was buried there expecting someday to receive the land that was promised to him.


Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

If any of the Jews In Israel are in Christ,then they are Abraham's seed and heirs to the kingdom.

 

[tailgator]

The little horn is a person, not a nation.

However, the little horn will be tied to the two kingdoms of the EU and Israel (to Israel, for about three years), in this order...

1. starting out being the leader over ten EU leaders. The EU being the manifestation of the Roman Empire in the end times.

then becomes the prince that shall come, following Gog/Magog event.

2. then becomes the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah - the Antichrist.

then becomes the revealed man of sin. End of his time as the King of Israel, thought-to- be messiah.

3. then become the beast-king , dictator of the EU.

That's our basic framework to watch for trying to figure out who that person actually is. He has to be a Jew and a politician. I am watching Zelensky of Ukraine. Too early to tell for certain.

It will not be Trump.

PS
Donald Trump shared this with us on truth social so that we might know who he is.

He seems to fit his description quite well also.

 

[Douggg]

Well,Israel is the little country in the kingdom that came up last and is diverse.It also appears stouter than it's fellows and subdued three kings .


Seems to fit Daniel description like a glove.

Daniel 7:24-25 the reference to the little horn is speaking about a person. Because he will speak great words against God, and shall wear down the saints, think to change times and laws.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

 

[tailgator]

Daniel 7:24-25 the reference to the little horn is speaking about a person. Because he will speak great words against God, and shall wear down the saints, think to change times and laws.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Yea,Israel was attempting to change laws last year but was interrupted by the war.
From.what I understand though,the little horn starts running his mouth about the same time the second beast appears and practices it authority on behalf of the first beast.
I expect it will take place next year after Trump is reelected.

 

[Douggg]

Yea,Israel was attempting to change laws last year but was interrupted by the war.
From.what I understand though,the little horn starts running his mouth about the same time the second beast appears and practices it authority on behalf of the first beast.
I expect it will take place next year after Trump is reelected.

The little horn person will speak great words against the most High, in Daniel 7:25.

 

[RandyPNW]

Abraham never received the land of Canaan which God promised to give him for an everlasting possession.

You say Abraham failed to receive what God promised to him and to his heirs. What you've failed to say is that his descendants received the fulfillment of that promise--they inherited the land. When they went into Captivity they were restored, according to the promise. This can happen again, as far as I'm concerned. Jews have been cast out of their land for many hundreds of years. Can they be restored? Well, actually they were in 1948.

 

[tailgator]

The little horn person will speak great words against the most High, in Daniel 7:25.

He does at the beginning of the 42 months.A time,times and a half.When the false prophet arrives in Israel.Probsbly next year after Trump is reelected.


Daniel 7
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Revelation 13
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

[tailgator]

You say Abraham failed to receive what God promised to him and to his heirs. What you've failed to say is that his descendants received the fulfillment of that promise--they inherited the land. When they went into Captivity they were restored, according to the promise. This can happen again, as far as I'm concerned. Jews have been cast out of their land for many hundreds of years. Can they be restored? Well, actually they were in 1948.

I didn't fail anything.

Christ is the seed of Abraham and Christ as well as Abraham has not received the promised land yet.That is not fulflled till the seventh trump sounds.

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

Revelation 11
15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”




You don't believe Benjamin Netanyahu is Christ do you?You believe the beast is the heir?

 

[RandyPNW]

I didn't fail anything.

Yes, you did. You talked about Abraham being promised something by God. And then you said he did not inherit the promise. Where was the indication that Abraham received a down payment, fully collected by his heirs? You said nothing, letting it be thought, perhaps, that God failed to deliver on His promises. Or perhaps you are re-routing His promises along a new line to mean something different under the New Covenant?

Christ is the seed of Abraham and Christ as well as Abraham has not received the promised land yet.That is not fulflled till the seventh trump sounds.

You see what I mean? You just admitted that you think God failed on His promises to Abraham, which is somehow being re-directed to something post-7th Trumpet. You may not call that a "failure," and I don't mean to imply that you're a "failure" personally. I'm just saying you did *not* explain that Israel did in fact receive their inheritance of land from God, after conquering the Canaanites.

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

So you're doing what i just said you were doing--re-routing God's promises away from the land inheritance of Israel to something Christian long after Israel actually obtained their promises! It is true that Israel did not receive their *eternal* inheritance via the Law. But they did obtain their land, which you seem to have been denying. Here's what you've said....

"They are still misrepresenting God's kingdom.
They claim it is theirs. They claim it was promised to them for an everlasting possession..They will be removed when Jesus comes...
Abraham never received the land of Canaan which God promised to give him for an everlasting possession. He lived among the Canaanites who he looked upon as the rightful owners of the land at the time. He bought a small piece of land containing a cave and paid for it in silver for a burial place. It was not given to him. He was buried there expecting someday to receive the land that was promised to him..."

The point I'm trying to make with you is that you failed to admit that Israel did, legitimately, inherit their land, fulfilling God's promise to them. What they did *not* fulfill is the promise that it would be a permanent inheritance, because they occasionally are removed by God from their land. The promise, therefore, was fulfilled in part, and is to be fulfilled permanently only through the redemption of Christ.

You don't believe Benjamin Netanyahu is Christ do you?You believe the beast is the heir?

I like Bibi, but he's neither Christ nor a Christian. He 's just a good Israeli leader who is Jewish.

The Beast/the Antichrist is not heir to any of God's promises, period.

 

[tailgator]

Yes, you did. You talked about Abraham being promised something by God. And then you said he did not inherit the promise. Where was the indication that Abraham received a down payment, fully collected by his heirs? You said nothing, letting it be thought, perhaps, that God failed to deliver on His promises. Or perhaps you are re-routing His promises along a new line to mean something different under the New Covenant?

You see what I mean? You just admitted that you think God failed on His promises to Abraham, which is somehow being re-directed to something post-7th Trumpet. You may not call that a "failure," and I don't mean to imply that you're a "failure" personally. I'm just saying you did *not* explain that Israel did in fact receive their inheritance of land from God, after conquering the Canaanites.

So you're doing what i just said you were doing--re-routing God's promises away from the land inheritance of Israel to something Christian long after Israel actually obtained their promises! It is true that Israel did not receive their *eternal* inheritance via the Law. But they did obtain their land, which you seem to have been denying. Here's what you've said....

"They are still misrepresenting God's kingdom.
They claim it is theirs. They claim it was promised to them for an everlasting possession..They will be removed when Jesus comes...
Abraham never received the land of Canaan which God promised to give him for an everlasting possession. He lived among the Canaanites who he looked upon as the rightful owners of the land at the time. He bought a small piece of land containing a cave and paid for it in silver for a burial place. It was not given to him. He was buried there expecting someday to receive the land that was promised to him..."

The point I'm trying to make with you is that you failed to admit that Israel did, legitimately, inherit their land, fulfilling God's promise to them. What they did *not* fulfill is the promise that it would be a permanent inheritance, because they occasionally are removed by God from their land. The promise, therefore, was fulfilled in part, and is to be fulfilled permanently only through the redemption of Christ.

I like Bibi, but he's neither Christ nor a Christian. He 's just a good Israeli leader who is Jewish.

The Beast/the Antichrist is not heir to any of God's promises, period.

God did not choose Benjamin netanyahu to be king of Israel and there is nothing good about him

Your love for the beast has clouded your mind .

God will destroy the beast you believe is good and his kingdom.Then he will give the kingdom to Abraham's seed for an everlasting possession.

Daniel 7

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

[RandyPNW]

God did not choose Benjamin netanyahu to be king of Israel and there is nothing good about him

God apparently feels differently than you do. He chooses kings and sets them over countries. Perhaps you think devils do that job?

There is a lot good about Netanyahu. Not only does he take strong positions in defense of Israel, but he's also very fair towards Christians. He is not hostile towards evangelicals, even though he's Jewish.

Your love for the beast has clouded your mind .

What love for the Beast? I have no love for Satan, the Beast, or for your slanders.

God will destroy the beast you believe is good and his kingdom.

I do not believe the Beast is good. You're obviously trying to provoke me--not Christian.

I tried to have a decent conversation with you, but apparently you've gone the other direction.

 

[tailgator]

God apparently feels differently than you do. He chooses kings and sets them over countries. Perhaps you think devils do that job?

There is a lot good about Netanyahu. Not only does he take strong positions in defense of Israel, but he's also very fair towards Christians. He is not hostile towards evangelicals, even though he's Jewish.

What love for the Beast? I have no love for Satan, the Beast, or for your slanders.

I do not believe the Beast is good. You're obviously trying to provoke me--not Christian.

I tried to have a decent conversation with you, but apparently you've gone the other direction.

If God chose Benjamin netanyahu to lead Israel ,then why was Jesus annointed king of Israel?

You need to figure out the difference between good and evil and come over to the good side.


John 12:13
They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!” “Blessed is the king of Israel!”

 

[tailgator]

God apparently feels differently than you do. He chooses kings and sets them over countries. Perhaps you think devils do that job?

There is a lot good about Netanyahu. Not only does he take strong positions in defense of Israel, but he's also very fair towards Christians. He is not hostile towards evangelicals, even though he's Jewish.

What love for the Beast? I have no love for Satan, the Beast, or for your slanders.

I do not believe the Beast is good. You're obviously trying to provoke me--not Christian.

I tried to have a decent conversation with you, but apparently you've gone the other direction.

And you preach God chose Benjamin netanyahu .
Worshiping Benjamin netanyahu will get you no where.Your on the wrong side.

Ezekiel 37
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

 

[tailgator]

God apparently feels differently than you do. He chooses kings and sets them over countries. Perhaps you think devils do that job?

There is a lot good about Netanyahu. Not only does he take strong positions in defense of Israel, but he's also very fair towards Christians. He is not hostile towards evangelicals, even though he's Jewish.

What love for the Beast? I have no love for Satan, the Beast, or for your slanders.

I do not believe the Beast is good. You're obviously trying to provoke me--not Christian.

I tried to have a decent conversation with you, but apparently you've gone the other direction.

Benjamin netanyahu,God's chosen?
Good grief.Not Christian.


Zech 9:9
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

 

[tailgator]

God apparently feels differently than you do. He chooses kings and sets them over countries. Perhaps you think devils do that job?

There is a lot good about Netanyahu. Not only does he take strong positions in defense of Israel, but he's also very fair towards Christians. He is not hostile towards evangelicals, even though he's Jewish.

What love for the Beast? I have no love for Satan, the Beast, or for your slanders.

I do not believe the Beast is good. You're obviously trying to provoke me--not Christian.

I tried to have a decent conversation with you, but apparently you've gone the other direction.

1 John :49
49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.


I recon I will have to put you on ignore Randy.I hate wasting time on non believers or anyone who supports the beast.
The Lord is king of Israel.

 

[Douggg]

He does at the beginning of the 42 months.A time,times and a half.When the false prophet arrives in Israel.Probsbly next year after Trump is reelected.


Daniel 7
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Revelation 13
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Trump is not the false prophet. Both the little horn person and the false prophet have to be Jews.

Israel, the Jews, are looking for the coming of their King of Israel messiah. So that person has to be a Jew.

Israel, the Jews, are also looking for Elijah to come and be a part of the messianic age startup. The false prophet in Revelation 13 calls fire down from heaven, just like Elijah did. It indicates that he will be mistaken for either being Elijah initially or in the spirit of Elijah. I am suspicious that the Yanuka, Rav Shlomo Yehuda may be the false prophet,

 

[RandyPNW]

1 John :49
49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.


I recon I will have to put you on ignore Randy.I hate wasting time on non believers or anyone who supports the beast.
The Lord is king of Israel.

I don't need 4 or 5 different posts for you to explain that you don't like Netanyahu. God can be king in heaven even while there are kings on the earth. There are good kings who are not Christian, though they would be much better if they were Christian. Pray for them so that they lead their people well.

I could care less if you put me on "Ignore." By all means....

 

[tailgator]

Trump is not the false prophet. Both the little horn person and the false prophet have to be Jews.

Israel, the Jews, are looking for the coming of their King of Israel messiah. So that person has to be a Jew.

Israel, the Jews, are also looking for Elijah to come and be a part of the messianic age startup. The false prophet in Revelation 13 calls fire down from heaven, just like Elijah did. It indicates that he will be mistaken for either being Elijah initially or in the spirit of Elijah. I am suspicious that the Yanuka, Rav Shlomo Yehuda may be the false prophet,

Trump gives Israel the second beast . The armed forces.
Trump posted this not long ago on truth as social because he wants us all to know who he is.According to Trump,he is the only one who can keep Israel safe Those are his words.

The beast is already in the land of Israel waiting for the second beast.

 

[Douggg]

1 John :49
49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

I think you might want to edit your post to - John 1:49

 

[Douggg]

Trump gives Israel the second beast . The armed forces.

The second beast is a person - the false prophet.