The Nicene Creed - line by line

[Albion]

I don't think many anti-rcc folks would be a fan of that second one. it has the evil word catholic in it.

Most people know that the word there the doesn't refer to the Roman Catholic Church; but for those folks who are concerned, such as the conservative Lutherans, it has become "And I believe in one holy Christian and apostolic Church."

 

[~Anastasia~]

Most people know that the word there the doesn't refer to the Roman Catholic Church; but for those folks who are concerned, such as the conservative Lutherans, it has become "And I believe in one holy Christian and apostolic Church."

Around here folks could get upset about the word "Apostolic" ... as it tends to refer to United Pentecostals and similar.

For myself, I think I'll just keep it the way it was written, and understand what both catholic and apostolic mean.

But I know people who refuse to recite the Nicene Creed because of those words.

 

[Albion]

Around here folks could get upset about the word "Apostolic" ... as it tends to refer to United Pentecostals and similar.

Interesting. Although there's a certain logic to it, I've never before heard anyone say that.

 

[Willie T]

Interesting. Although there's a certain logic to it, I've never before heard anyone say that.

The general attitude is quite prevalent all over most of Florida. "Apostolic" kind of equates to Nazarene, hair buns, no makeup, and ankle length dresses..................... and, of course, strict legalism.

 

[Albion]

The general attitude is quite prevalent all over most of Florida. "Apostolic" kind of equates to Nazarene, hair buns, no makeup, and ankle length dresses..................... and, of course, strict legalism.

That is of course true, but I've still never heard of anyone saying that the word Apostolic in the Creed sounds like it refers to this particular group. Possibly it is so in Florida, though.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

That is of course true, but I've still never heard of anyone saying that the word Apostolic in the Creed sounds like it refers to this particular group. Possibly it is so in Florida, though.

It must be a Florida thing from where Kylissa and Willie both hail. What comes to mind for me is AS and that's what most would believe to be the opposite. AS refers me to the succession of the teaching in the bible. What the creed is actually about.

 

[Willie T]

That is of course true, but I've still never heard of anyone saying that the word Apostolic in the Creed sounds like it refers to this particular group. Possibly it is so in Florida, though.

I think that many people, when they see either of those words, catholic or Apostolic, their minds often go directly to both the Catholic church, and also to the other extreme of Fundamentalist Bible Thumpers.

 

[seeingeyes]

As to everything else, I would hope we can have peace in this one thread that ought to unite us.

Oh...You weren't joking?

 

[Albion]

I think that many people, when they see either of those words, catholic or Apostolic, their minds often go directly to both the Catholic church, and also to the other extreme of Fundamentalist Bible Thumpers.

In certain situations, perhaps, but I'd hope that when they are reciting the Nicene Creed as part of the liturgy (in churches like mine and Kylissa's and some others I mentioned) that they wouldn't think that. Or at least that it would be rare.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I think that many people, when they see either of those words, catholic or Apostolic, their minds often go directly to both the Catholic church, and also to the other extreme of Fundamentalist Bible Thumpers.

The pendulem that all know truth is in the middle thereof.

 

[Willie T]

It must be a Florida thing from where Kylissa and Willie both hail. What comes to mind for me is AS and that's what most would believe to be the opposite. AS refers me to the succession of the teaching in the bible. What the creed is actually about.

Ok, I'm drawing a blank. What is "AS"?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Ok, I'm drawing a blank. What is "AS"?

Apostolic Succession

 

[Willie T]

I got it.... Apostolic Succession? But is that what the Creed is referring to? I mean, Catholics think they can claim that, but Protestant churches sure can't.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I got it.... Apostolic Succession? But is that what the Creed is referring to?

It doesn't stipulate whether those agreeing to the creed are or not. The apostolic/catholic church is a term that doesn't define/divide individuals or groups.

 

[Albion]

I got it.... Apostolic Succession? But is that what the Creed is referring to? I mean, Catholics think they can claim that, but Protestant churches sure can't.

Mine (Anglican) can. The largest Lutheran church in the USA can. Various Methodist bodies can. And all of them do.

However, that has nothing to do with the word Apostolic appearing in the Creed. The word there refers only to the true church as continuing the faith of the Apostles.

 

[Chesterton]

Around here folks could get upset about the word "Apostolic" ... as it tends to refer to United Pentecostals and similar.

For myself, I think I'll just keep it the way it was written, and understand what both catholic and apostolic mean.

But I know people who refuse to recite the Nicene Creed because of those words.

I guess that's why some types of churches have learning classes. People shouldn't go around reciting things they don't understand.

 

[Willie T]

The pendulem that all know truth is in the middle thereof.

You would love one of my favorite books, The Quest for The Radical Middle, by Bill Jackson. A fantastic read.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

You would love one of my favorite books, The Quest for The Radical Middle, by Bill Jackson. A fantastic read.

The vineyard movement! I heard much about it when I first joined cf.

 

[~Anastasia~]

In certain situations, perhaps, but I'd hope that when they are reciting the Nicene Creed as part of the liturgy (in churches like mine and Kylissa's and some others I mentioned) that they wouldn't think that. Or at least that it would be rare.

I'm speaking more of people who are not familiar with the Creed - when it is first shown to them, they sometimes misunderstand the intent.

The folks who have been in my Church all their lives (many come from Greece) ... probably have no idea really what "Apostolic" (Pentecostal) churches are. As a group, they honestly don't concern themselves too much with things like that.

I guess that makes sense for them, since in Greece it was simply "the Church" for most of them.

Among the younger ones, and certainly among the converts, they understand a lot more about other churches. But I think the Creed for most of us means what we understand it to mean. Otherwise I wouldn't affirm it either; I checked into all that from the very first.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Oh...You weren't joking?

LOL

No, I wasn't joking, but to be perfectly honest, I was only hoping to rein things in just a bit. I would hope a thread on the Nicene Creed wouldn't develop into a mirror of some anti-whatever-Church threads we see. But I've been here long enough now to know there are differing opinions, and they will often be stated.

And I even learn from them sometimes - even from the ones I might not agree with on certain things.

So it was really just a half-hearted effort and request not to get TOO contentious.