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Just show me in Gospel of Mark please, then we can move onto Matthew, Luke and hit the elusive jackpot in John.
Despite differences between Christians on certain matters of faith, a common orthodoxy that which is found in creeds like the Nicene & Apostles' creeds is from our 4 Gospels. We have always believed these that center on the Trinity & that Jesus Christ is our Lord & savior. THere is scholarship that will support or try to disprove our faith.Just show me in Gospel of Mark please, then we can move onto Matthew, Luke and hit the elusive jackpot in John.
So I'm assuming being born again to obtain salvation was not taught in the Gospel of Mark. It was love and believe in One GOD, worship Him, keep the commandments and do good works.I can show you just about every page in the Word of God fits together pointing to Jesus, where's Muhammed except for some obscure square peg being forced into a round hole ?
There shouldn't be differences on Doctrine. As above in my response to 4x4 the most powerful people of the time, the Romans decided what Christianity should be and the rest is 2000 years of turbulent History.Despite differences between Christians on certain matters of faith, a common orthodoxy that which is found in creeds like the Nicene & Apostles' creeds is from our 4 Gospels. We have always believed these that center on the Trinity & that Jesus Christ is our Lord & savior. THere is scholarship that will support or try to disprove our faith.
Muslims are happy for the Qur'an to be examined and would ask those in doubt to bring their evidences.For you the same standard should apply to your Koran. Maybe it is the incorruptible preaching of your original preacher. Christians believe otherwise; we would be denying God to do anything else.
GOD is not the author of confusion.We should also realiZe non Christians may not understand the Gospel. st Paul in Romans 2 preaches about a moral compass in us all so non Christians can still live morally right.
So I'm assuming being born again to obtain salvation was not taught in the Gospel of Mark. It was love and believe in One GOD, worship Him, keep the commandments and do good works.
When this message reached the Pagans they made it clear, they wouldn't be interested in keeping laws, restricting what they could eat, drink and wanted a golden lottery ticket instead. We know the idea of an innocent person dying for the sins of all was put forward and readily accepted. I suppose you can't blame them, especially considering there wasn't a single agreed upon NT going around. Different groups were promoting their own version of Jesus pbuh and the Greek Philosophers won the day.
The simple fact as established in the Gospel of Mark is different authors had very different understanding of how to be saved. There's an evolution of the message Jesus pbuh brought, it is repackaged several times through the decades, in a uncontrolled manner before the central Governing force of the time stepped in, and used these various writings to establish an official State Religion.Titus 3:5 1 Peter 1:2-3 .. God is one , Father, Son, Holy Spirit, same God .. We are born of water and Spirit baptized in Jesus name .. A simple act of faith after we have confessed Jesus as Lord to be born again of God the Holy Spirit where we become regenerated in God .. How is it Islam says you become saved from death and hell ? And please explain al taqiyya I asked you in post #105
Sunni Shia divide has nothing to do with Doctrine, only who should have been the Khalifa after the death of the Prophet pbuh.No differences of doctrine in Islam? Look I have nothing do with this faith but to a person looking on the outside, the divide between SUnni & Shia seems pretty serious. We have provided examples of God telling us that the Father, Son, & HOly Spirit are 3 Persons He declares so. TO those who do not understand, this is nothing to
Do with virtues or intellect, follow the conscience God you until you might understand.
well don't you think that we share the same God jews Christians and Muslims??
Exactly. These attributes are not applicable to the god of terrorism, oppression, slavery and murder. Jesus was the son of God. Mohammed was a highwayman and thug. Jesus said "Love your neighbor." Mohammed said "Slay the unbeliever wherever you find him."No.
The God of Jews and Christians is a loving God, a righteous God, a holy God, a forgiving God.
OP: I believe that you are convinced of this. I'm certainly not.
Surah 3:31 is another good illustration of how the Quranic concept of God’s love is inferior to the Biblical concept of God’s love. According to this ayah, God’s love is conditional. By contrast, God’s love according to the Bible is unconditional. Again, according to the Quran—the very next ayah—Surah 3:32, God’s love is limited to Muslims, because “Allah does not love the disbelievers.” By contrast, according to the Bible, God loves all mankind unconditionally.An example of the love of God from the Qur'an:
Say, 'If ye would love God then follow me, and God will love you and forgive you your sins, for God is forgiving and merciful.'
(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 3:31 - Imran's Family)
If the NT God loves us unconditionally, then why do Christians say, you have to accept the cross sacrifice to be saved?Surah 3:31 is another good illustration of how the Quranic concept of God’s love is inferior to the Biblical concept of God’s love. According to this ayah, God’s love is conditional. By contrast, God’s love according to the Bible is unconditional. Again, according to the Quran—the very next ayah—Surah 3:32, God’s love is limited to Muslims, because “Allah does not love the disbelievers.” By contrast, according to the Bible, God loves all mankind unconditionally.
You say the Love is unconditional, but the Bible begs to differ:So, in sum, the Quran teaches God’s love is limited and conditional, whereas the Bible teaches that God’s love is unlimited and unconditional. No wonder that the Evangel/Injil of a selfless, self-sacrificing God is so foreign to the Quran.
Don't be bringing Jews into this. We certainly do not share a triune god.No.
The God of Jews and Christians is a loving God, a righteous God, a holy God, a forgiving God.
The God we worship is the creator of the universe. He is alive and well and very active in our lives. He is a triune God (Father, Son - Jesus -, and the Holy Spirit). Jesus is the son of God and no one comes unto the father except through him. No one.
If the NT God loves us unconditionally, then why do Christians say, you have to accept the cross sacrifice to be saved?
You say the Love is unconditional, but the Bible begs to differ:
Mark 10:17 And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’”
Keep the Commandments to be loved.
Matthew 5:17 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus pbuh taught God's Love is conditional on keeping Torah and following all the Commandments. So what are the Laws concerning non believers:
Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
No Love for the unbelievers, No different to 3:31-32, No false hopes on the Day of Resurrection.
Still waiting for you to answer the question in post #87. I recast it here as a multiple-choice question:If the NT God loves us unconditionally, then why do Christians say, you have to accept the cross sacrifice to be saved?
You say the Love is unconditional, but the Bible begs to differ:
Mark 10:17 And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’”
Keep the Commandments to be loved.
Matthew 5:17 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus pbuh taught God's Love is conditional on keeping Torah and following all the Commandments. So what are the Laws concerning non believers:
Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
No Love for the unbelievers, No different to 3:31-32, No false hopes on the Day of Resurrection.
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