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Your Muslim friend suggested that anyone not from Islam, Christianity or Judaism is equal to "garbage". I resent that remark.
You misunderstood her, for she wrote:

try to respect yourself before talking about our prophet...garbage is where you put people who disbelieve in the only unique God and I don't mean Christians and jews by that

Non believers aren't 'garbage', but according to Christian beliefs, people who don't believe in Jesus are said to end up (put in) in a fiery furnace of a garbage dump are they not?

Remember not everyone speaks English as a first language, and perhaps she could have been clearer. Simple misunderstanding, and I'm sure she meant no offence to anyone.
 
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at the end:

You have no right to translate the name of people..at the end they are saying that he was talking with his jewish friend..he told him that the hakham embraced islam so why don’t you do so?

He said to him we jews do not change our religion..jews know that Mohammad is a prophet from GOD

The hakham came and said we know that Mohammad is a messenger from God and he show me a number the bible

Mohammed is not in the bible. Mohammed rejected much of the bible.
 
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Mohammed is not in the bible. Mohammed rejected much of the bible.

Who was given a book, told to read and responded, "I can't read"
Who gathered a idol worshipping people, took them back to Monotheism, and destroyed their false idols? Who lead that Nation, and spread the message of Monotheism against the enemies, fighting them like a Lion and prevailed? Who came from the tents of Kedar with a 'New Song'?
Who carried a burden from 'Arabia'?
Who set a precious cornerstone in a House of GOD, a house that never closes, a House where people make Pilgrimage by air from all around the World?

All the above is mentioned in the Tanakh.
 
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You misunderstood her, for she wrote:



Non believers aren't 'garbage', but according to Christian beliefs, people who don't believe in Jesus are said to end up (put in) in a fiery furnace of a garbage dump are they not?

Remember not everyone speaks English as a first language, and perhaps she could have been clearer. Simple misunderstanding, and I'm sure she meant no offence to anyone.

I'd like to hear @habibii zahra 's take on that -since she said "garbage is where you put people who disbelieve...".
 
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Who was given a book, told to read and responded, "I can't read"
Who gathered a idol worshipping people, took them back to Monotheism, and destroyed their false idols? Who lead that Nation, and spread the message of Monotheism against the enemies, fighting them like a Lion and prevailed? Who came from the tents of Kedar with a 'New Song'?
Who carried a burden from 'Arabia'?
Who set a precious cornerstone in a House of GOD, a house that never closes, a House where people make Pilgrimage by air from all around the World?

All the above is mentioned in the Tanakh.

Who married four women, including an 8 year old girl. Who slaughtered his enemies, including Christians and Jews? Who started a death cult that is killing others throughout the world today just as it has for 1500 years?

Not God, I can tell you that.
 
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Who married four women, including an 8 year old girl. Who slaughtered his enemies, including Christians and Jews? Who started a death cult that is killing others throughout the world today just as it has for 1500 years?

Not God, I can tell you that.
Using your Bible please show me where God gave a minimum age for marriage, and where did God forbid fighting enemies.

Which book in the NT has Jesus returning and killing his enemies?
 
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Using your Bible please show me where God gave a minimum age for marriage, and where did God forbid fighting enemies.

Which book in the NT has Jesus returning and killing his enemies?

One man and one woman. Not one man and four women and children.

Jesus told us to love our enemies. Judgment is for God, not for us.
 
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If people were able to stop urine staining their clothes, then it follows no reason to threaten with punishment of the grave. The threat of punishment served to make people careful and the best way to avoid the issue was to squat, as was the practice in many cultures of the time.

Do what you may, but urinating whilst standing risks spoiling the clothes, the practice also significantly reduces post-micturition dribble, especially as people age.
Store Your Life: Man urinating posture predict longevity,squatting urination can prevent cancer?

Don't think so, perhaps ask Mr Wood.

The Mother is preparing the children for a life changing test. She's not the examiner, that's Allah swt, and the punishment for disobedience is of the non believers making. The Christian version of Allah swt doesn't love disbelievers either, because in your version, the non believers has to accept Jesus pbuh as having died on the cross to obtain salvation, failure to do so is eternal damnation.

GOD doesn't require yes or no, He only requires sincere effort.


You under estimate his wrath too.

The Gospel love is a myth, and one only has to ask a few questions to establish it is very much conditional love. Weak theologies should be replaced with one that's easy to comprehend and makes sense. Worshipping 3 Gods - Trinity is wrong and will lead to damnation.


You referred to the purchased slave as 'non black' clearly implying he was of a different race, thus the question on 'racism'. See below

My response addressed the issue, and showed it had nothing to do with race.
A mother does examine her children’s behavior. Otherwise, she would not know when her children misbehaved and which corrective measures to take. So it’s not clear what comparison or contrast you are now trying to make between the mother’s love and the Islamic Allah’s--particularly since earlier you expressly compared the mother’s love to God’s love. Punishment for disobedience is always of the disobedient’s making, but what does that have to do with the mother’s love as compared with Allah’s? Are you trying to get me to say non sequitur again :) As we agreed, the mother loves the disobedient child unconditionally, even when she must punish the child, but the Islamic Allah only loves the obedient conditionally and the disobedient are not loved at all, so the mother’s love is more generous than the Islamic Allah’s.

You claimed that I underestimate God’s wrath, but how would you know? We have not even discussed that topic. I’m still waiting for you to answer one or more of my earlier questions. If you don’t want to answer, brother, that’s fine, but if that is the case, there would not seem to be much use in bringing up another topic for discussion.

Your answer, “GOD doesn't require yes or no, He only requires sincere effort” evaded my question again. Consider first the questions below—I’m not asking you to post your answers to these questions publicly. This is just between your conscience and your Judge:

Have you ever blasphemed God’s holy name in any way? Have you always performed all required acts of worship and with the proper attitude? Have you ever been negligent in your worship or prevented others from worshiping? Have you ever failed to keep a vow or promise? Have you ever conspired with others to do something wrong or doubtful? Have you ever cursed or used foul language? Have you always loved and respected your parents? Have you ever neglected them or failed to help them? Have you ever deceived or disobeyed your parents? Have you ever caused them unnecessary pain? Have you always treated your family and neighbors with patience and love? Have you ever caused harm to anyone? Have you ever wished harm to anyone? Have you ever been cruel to people or to animals? Have you ever committed impure acts? Have you ever lusted after other women? Have you ever wished in your heart to commit impure acts? Have you ever given way to impure thoughts, words, or deeds? Have you ever taken something that was not yours? Have you ever cheated anyone? Have you ever tempted others to wrongdoing? Have you ever helped others to cheat, steal, or commit other wrongdoing? Have you tried to find the owners of lost items when possible? Have you ever damaged another’s property without offering to make restitution? Have you always paid your debts promptly? Have you always promptly returned borrowed items? Have you always been charitable to the needy? Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever spoken evil or spread rumors about someone? Have you ever disclosed to anyone the sins or faults of another? Have you ever made careless statements or done anything to harm the reputation of another? Have you ever looked with envy, jealousy, or hatred toward the possessions, talents, or achievements of another person? Have you ever desired the downfall of another person? Have you ever been grieved that God has bestowed greater blessings on others than on you? Have you ever been proud, arrogant, or self-righteous? Have you ever been selfish, self-seeking, and possessive? Have you always endured afflictions with patience? Have you always tried to serve others rather than dominate? Have you ever held a grudge or nursed hatred in your heart toward another? Have you ever desired revenge against someone? Have you ever been hateful, resentful, bitter, abusive, or unforgiving toward others? Have you ever been quick to anger? Have you ever assumed the worst of another without knowing the facts? Have you ever tried to justify or excuse your own sins and faults?

In light of such questions, the outstanding question again is: Since you make Divine love conditional, have you personally kept all the commandments and fulfilled all the conditions necessary to earn God’s love? Are you sure or not that you have done enough to earn God’s love? A yes or no is all I’m asking.
 
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A mother does examine her children’s behavior. Otherwise, she would not know when her children misbehaved and which corrective measures to take. So it’s not clear what comparison or contrast you are now trying to make between the mother’s love and the Islamic Allah’s--particularly since earlier you expressly compared the mother’s love to God’s love. Punishment for disobedience is always of the disobedient’s making, but what does that have to do with the mother’s love as compared with Allah’s? Are you trying to get me to say non sequitur again :) As we agreed, the mother loves the disobedient child unconditionally, even when she must punish the child, but the Islamic Allah only loves the obedient conditionally and the disobedient are not loved at all, so the mother’s love is more generous than the Islamic Allah’s.
The Mother makes clear failure would mean the affected child would never participate in a particular event. Hows that?
She's within her rights having explained over and over just how important and life changing the test was.

I’m still waiting for you to answer one or more of my earlier questions. If you don’t want to answer, brother, that’s fine, but if that is the case, there would not seem to be much use in bringing up another topic for discussion.
What did I leave unanswered?

Your answer, “GOD doesn't require yes or no, He only requires sincere effort” evaded my question again.
I haven't performed Hajj so at present the answer is no, however the intention is there, so if I died today, I would not be held accountable.

Consider first the questions below—I’m not asking you to post your answers to these questions publicly. This is just between your conscience and your Judge:
This is what Missionaries do in public, ask if you ever lied, ever borrowed something and not returned it, looked at a woman with lust, taken God's name in vain. 99.99% of people answer in the affirmative and are labelled lying, thieving, adulterous blasphemers who can never live up to God's perfect justice, so should accept the self sacrifice of a innocent man, something which 6 Disciples and the Qur'an deny happening.

Not only that, but the original NT Scriptures have all been lost, and what we rely on are copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of the accounts written by anonymous people. So you're putting your trust in a story that doesn't add up, which could have been cooked up and written by God knows how many unknown people, who loathed having to follow the commandments of GOD. (Copies in RED are lost too)

The NT also contains forgeries, heavy editing and accounts that have been made up including key events and genealogies.


In light of such questions, the outstanding question again is: Since you make Divine love conditional, have you personally kept all the commandments and fulfilled all the conditions necessary to earn God’s love? Are you sure or not that you have done enough to earn God’s love? A yes or no is all I’m asking.
Answered above and illustrated in the following Hadith:

The man that killed 99 people

Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Prophet of Allah (sallallahu alayhi wassallam) said:

“There was a man from among a nation before you who killed ninety-nine people and then made an inquiry about the most learned person on the earth. He was directed to a monk. He came to him and told him that he had killed ninety-nine people and asked him if there was any chance for his repentance to be accepted. He replied in the negative and the man killed him also completing one hundred.

He then asked about the most learned man in the earth. He was directed to a scholar. He told him that he had killed one hundred people and asked him if there was any chance for his repentance to be accepted. He replied in the affirmative and asked, `Who stands between you and repentance? Go to such and such land; there (you will find) people devoted to prayer and worship of Allah, join them in worship, and do not come back to your land because it is an evil place.’

On the way, his appointed hour arrived, and he died. The angels of punishment and of mercy both came to take away his soul. The angels of punishment said that as a sinful person he rightfully belonged to them, but the angels of mercy also claimed him, saying, "He repented and had resolved to become a good man. He was on his way to a place where righteous people live, but his appointed hour had come." A great debate ensued, and Gabriel was sent as an arbitrator to settle this affair.

After hearing both sides he gave this verdict: "Measure the ground. If the spot where he died is closer to the good people, then he belongs to the angels of mercy, but if it is nearer to the wicked people, he will be given to the angels of punishment."

They measured the ground. Because the man had just set out, he was still closer to the wicked. But because he was sincere in his repentance, the Lord moved the spot where he lay and brought it to just outside the city of the good people.

That penitent servant was handed over to the angels of merry.
[Al Bukhari and Muslim]

Repentance is the most noble and beloved form of obedience in the eyes of Allah swt. He loves those who repent. Repentance has a status that no other form of worship has. This is why Allah swt is extremely happy when a servant repents just as a desert traveller may be happy when he finds his lost camel.

"Except those who repent, have faith and do good deeds, for such people Allah will change their sins for good deeds. Certainly Allah is most forgiving and merciful." (Qur'an 25:70)
 
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Don't you understand how morally wrong it is to think that Buddhists and Zoroastrians should be considered "garbage"..? These are people and it is evil to think that way about people.

...If this is what Mohammed teaches, then he is not affiliated with God. He is not a messenger, but an idealogue... Not a great or a kind man, and definitely not someone mentioned in an *actual* holy book.
no you are totally wrong
first who told you Buddhists and Zoroastrians don't believe in one god but in different name??
second these are not the teachings of Mohammad..the teaching of Mohammad is to be kind and merciful to everybody..you have found my statement wrong while your yet you don't find humiliating our prophet and using the expression if "garbage" a fair expression?
prophet Mohammad is a great man with total kindness..he is a messenger form god whether you believe it or not...
you feel compassion with Buddhists you find my statement disrespecting them while you draw dozens of cartoons of prophet Mohammad humiliating him without objecting..how fair could it be that???
 
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The lies posted here that Christians worship "3 gods" and that the Gospel message of love is selective stem from a lie that is the premise of this thread. Supposedly Christians deny the existence of an alleged prophet in the Old Testament who is not even there.

We believe in God Who is the author of true love Who became one of us & experienced & redeemed everything that is wrong about us. We know that that true prophets foretold this; a prime example is in Isaiah 53. We know that the love of God is by His grace ( John 3:16-31 , Ephesians 2:8-10 ). That God will discern & fairly judge those who are honestly or dishonestly ignorant of the Gospel ( Matthew 12:31-33 , Romans 2:6-16 etc. ).

The accusations that our New Testament is incoherent are wrong since everything said in it is from the Lord and by His direct apostles & disciples without contradiction.

As early as 100 AD, St. Ignatius of Antioch clarified that he did not speak as an apostle just a few years after the Revelation of St. John. Early bishops like St Irenaeus ferreted out false writings & unbelief. They did not add traditions of man like hadith to plug the gaps of alleged scripture that emerged centuries later.
so there is a god for Jesus??
I mean he invited you to believe in his god why don't you follow him?
 
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The Mother makes clear failure would mean the affected child would never participate in a particular event. Hows that?
She's within her rights having explained over and over just how important and life changing the test was.

What did I leave unanswered?

I haven't performed Hajj so at present the answer is no, however the intention is there, so if I died today, I would not be held accountable.

This is what Missionaries do in public, ask if you ever lied, ever borrowed something and not returned it, looked at a woman with lust, taken God's name in vain. 99.99% of people answer in the affirmative and are labelled lying, thieving, adulterous blasphemers who can never live up to God's perfect justice, so should accept the self sacrifice of a innocent man, something which 6 Disciples and the Qur'an deny happening.

Not only that, but the original NT Scriptures have all been lost, and what we rely on are copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of the accounts written by anonymous people. So you're putting your trust in a story that doesn't add up, which could have been cooked up and written by God knows how many unknown people, who loathed having to follow the commandments of GOD. (Copies in RED are lost too)

The NT also contains forgeries, heavy editing and accounts that have been made up including key events and genealogies.


Answered above and illustrated in the following Hadith:

The man that killed 99 people

Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Prophet of Allah (sallallahu alayhi wassallam) said:

“There was a man from among a nation before you who killed ninety-nine people and then made an inquiry about the most learned person on the earth. He was directed to a monk. He came to him and told him that he had killed ninety-nine people and asked him if there was any chance for his repentance to be accepted. He replied in the negative and the man killed him also completing one hundred.

He then asked about the most learned man in the earth. He was directed to a scholar. He told him that he had killed one hundred people and asked him if there was any chance for his repentance to be accepted. He replied in the affirmative and asked, `Who stands between you and repentance? Go to such and such land; there (you will find) people devoted to prayer and worship of Allah, join them in worship, and do not come back to your land because it is an evil place.’

On the way, his appointed hour arrived, and he died. The angels of punishment and of mercy both came to take away his soul. The angels of punishment said that as a sinful person he rightfully belonged to them, but the angels of mercy also claimed him, saying, "He repented and had resolved to become a good man. He was on his way to a place where righteous people live, but his appointed hour had come." A great debate ensued, and Gabriel was sent as an arbitrator to settle this affair.

After hearing both sides he gave this verdict: "Measure the ground. If the spot where he died is closer to the good people, then he belongs to the angels of mercy, but if it is nearer to the wicked people, he will be given to the angels of punishment."

They measured the ground. Because the man had just set out, he was still closer to the wicked. But because he was sincere in his repentance, the Lord moved the spot where he lay and brought it to just outside the city of the good people.

That penitent servant was handed over to the angels of merry.
[Al Bukhari and Muslim]

Repentance is the most noble and beloved form of obedience in the eyes of Allah swt. He loves those who repent. Repentance has a status that no other form of worship has. This is why Allah swt is extremely happy when a servant repents just as a desert traveller may be happy when he finds his lost camel.

"Except those who repent, have faith and do good deeds, for such people Allah will change their sins for good deeds. Certainly Allah is most forgiving and merciful." (Qur'an 25:70)
So the fictional mother’s love for her children is not only unconditional, unearned, and sacrificial, but also more enduring than the Islamic Allah’s love. Her love continues to illustrate the point all the more clearly that even human love surpasses the Islamic Allah’s conditional and uncertain love. It is telling and sad that a fictional character is better than Islam’s concept of God. A mother who refused to assure her children of her unconditional love would be a bad, even abusive, mother. Thus we see again that the Islamic Allah is inferior to human beings, just as the virtuous pagans of antiquity were better than their uni-personal, pagan gods.

Thank you for your honest answer on whether you have done enough to earn God’s love. Of course, your answer could only be no. “Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?” Proverbs 20:9. A works-based religion like Islam inevitably leaves a highly-developed conscience in doubt, for no one diligently trying to earn Divine love can ever be sure that he has done enough or that his repentance is pure and sincere enough. And as long as there is doubt and the lingering possibility that one might “never participate in a particular event,” there is necessarily a measure of fear and uneasiness. The message of an innocent Man and His self-sacrifice is the only remedy for that doubt and fear. A trip to kiss a rock as pagans kiss their idols cannot give lasting peace to the conscience, and walking around a cube will not remove selfishness, anger, malice, hatred, lust, pride, impatience, etc., from the heart. A person can walk around the Kaaba until he gets blisters and still be full of dead men’s bones inside (Matthew 23:27).

Copies have always been the means whereby God has provided the Holy Scriptures from one generation to another. It demonstrates God’s greatness and faithfulness that He can communicate and preserve His truth even through human means. But we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us. Praise be to God who keeps truth forever! Is the Islamic Allah inferior to the God revealed in Jesus Christ not only in love, but in faithfulness also?

Was Muhammad’s story of the murderer supposed to be an actual historical event? The story sounds pretty made-up. Perhaps in view of his violent life, Muhammad fabricated the story to ease his own conscience. And, since presumably the monk mentioned in the tale was supposed to be Christian, Muhammad was apparently ignorant that according to Christianity a murderer can find forgiveness in Christ. In fact, nowhere else but in Christ can a sinner find assurance that his sins are forgiven.
 
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god who dies eat and drink like every human
Yes. He did assume a human nature. You think God cannot do that?

at least the bible stated that the father is the Lord the god of Jesus christ
What verse are you citing there?
 
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First, Mohammad is not mentioned in the Bible.

Second, Mohammad is not a prophet.

Third, I don't accept the Koran as being inspired scripture.

As far as those scholars, what they say is irrelevant. Jesus was and is God. He was fully God, yet fully human while he was on earth. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit (the true comforter, for the record - *not* Mohammad). Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.

The problem with Islam is that it's a works-based religion. By that I mean, you try to follow the 5 Pillars and hope that you'll be counted worthy without any assurance of what your fate will be after death.

Christianity, on the other hand, teaches that humans, through their own efforts, cannot attain the perfection that God requires - all have fallen short of the glory of God. Instead, we are taught that God himself would provide a sacrifice, that of His only Son - Jesus Christ. Who suffered on the cross, died, was resurrected, and ascended back into heaven. The righteousness we have does not come from ourselves, instead it comes from what Jesus Christ did for us. The prophecies in the Old Testament point to this event (even though the Jews are still waiting).The fact that Muslims are taught that the central event of Christianity - meaning the Crucifixion - never happened automatically removes it from any consideration of being legitimate.
 
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Non believers aren't 'garbage', but according to Christian beliefs, people who don't believe in Jesus are said to end up (put in) in a fiery furnace of a garbage dump are they not?

Depends on the Christian you ask. As I noted in another conversation, there is no definitive Christian position on Hell, what it is, who "goes" there, etc are all open questions generally speaking. Some churches do assert there is a definitive position and they are free to say as such, but broadly speaking the concept of Hell is a very vague one and has never been defined in any sort of authoritative way. None of the Creeds talk about it, neither do any of the ancient Ecumenical Councils address it. The closest any of them come is the Second Council of Constantinople which, in some occasions contains spurious anathemas against Origen, and none of them actually address Origen's actual postulate that it is possible (but not a given) that, ultimately, all will be saved in the end. The Anathemas against Origen are often attached to the 5th Ecumenical Council, but it's almost always agreed these days to not actually be part of the Council and should be regarded as spurious (for one, Origen both in his time and hundreds of years later was a revered and respect theologian and scholar of the Church, though anti-Origenist sentiment grew in response to certain hyper-Origenists of later centuries, which seems to be the occasion of these spurious anathemas); this is one of the only bases for a dogmatic rejection of universal reconciliation. Universal reconciliation is not, itself, heresy in orthodox Christianity, only the dogmatic assertion of it as fact is heterodox, it is entirely orthodox to hope for and pray for the ultimate reconciliation of all, and that hell is, ultimately, "empty" as it were; many of the ancient fathers and greatest theologians of the Christian Church were of this opinion, such as the great St. Gregory of Nyssa.

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First, Mohammad is not mentioned in the Bible.

Second, Mohammad is not a prophet.

Third, I don't accept the Koran as being inspired scripture.

As far as those scholars, what they say is irrelevant. Jesus was and is God. He was fully God, yet fully human while he was on earth. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit (the true comforter, for the record - *not* Mohammad). Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.

The problem with Islam is that it's a works-based religion. By that I mean, you try to follow the 5 Pillars and hope that you'll be counted worthy without any assurance of what your fate will be after death.

Christianity, on the other hand, teaches that humans, through their own efforts, cannot attain the perfection that God requires - all have fallen short of the glory of God. Instead, we are taught that God himself would provide a sacrifice, that of His only Son - Jesus Christ. Who suffered on the cross, died, was resurrected, and ascended back into heaven. The righteousness we have does not come from ourselves, instead it comes from what Jesus Christ did for us. The prophecies in the Old Testament point to this event (even though the Jews are still waiting).The fact that Muslims are taught that the central event of Christianity - meaning the Crucifixion - never happened automatically removes it from any consideration of being legitimate.

First Mohammad was mentioned in the bible:

https://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/Muhammad_Bible.HTM

second Mohammad is a prophet whether you believe it or not..he was sent as a mercy for human kind he was sent with a message from god the one the unique to unite all people under the standard of believing in one god

God is eternal he is unique ...jesus is a man but unique ..God doesn’t eat or drink or die..human does

The Quran is the book of God it is a revelation of god..look at the miracles of the Quran:

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/

you can not find one Quran different than any other in the whole world...yet you see more than 3 to 4 bibles different of each other in the world so where is the truth???

We are not only work based religion...yes we will be punished over our bad deeds and we will be rewarded for our good deeds yet we reach the salvation only through the mercy of god and through believing in one god

We are not that much different from the Christian doctrine...yes we believe that our deeds are not enough and we will reach salvation only through the mercy of God
our god is a merciful god..our god is not different than yours..our god is the god of the universe the god of jesus the god of moses the god of Abraham and whether you believe it or not the god of Mohammad the kind prophet
 
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