Pre-Mil Only The Messiah Is Coming ...

[Ronald]

Good post Ronald

thanks

 

[Onisim]

> He's already here, he's just not identified yet, not until the trumpets start to blow.

Wow!

 

[Goatee]

Hope he comes soon! Mankind needs sorting out!

 

[Onisim]

Dear Biblicist,

>I wondered what that loud noise was a minute or so back.
Yes! This loud noise was heard even in Russia

Gog prince of Magog awakes!

Execuse me! We must wait for one thousand years

Sincerely yours,
Onisim

 

[Steve Petersen]

The parallels between Joseph and Jesus are many.

 

[Onisim]

Dear Steve,

>The parallels between Joseph and Jesus are many.

Thank you for support!

I don't want to preach about "mini Antichrist" . I want to preach about "the Annointed One ben Josef" or "the Annointed One" Cyrus. Help me

The situation is the following. For many years I visit as protestant churches so orthodox churches . For many years I was convinced, that although Orthodox faith is based on the Nicene Creed, unfortunely, they have Tradition which is not based on the Bible. Suddenly I've revealed that some traditions of the Great Moscow Princes (I prefer to use this title for the Russian kings) are based on the book of Revelation if you can distinguish in this book two kind of persons: The Lord Jesus Christ and "he that overcometh". The parallels between "he that overcometh" and Jesus are many.

So, I have remembered about "the Anointed One ben Josef" and "Messiah ben David". Could be 10 tribes lost on the territories which belong to Russia now? Yes. Is "the Anointed One ben Josef" the king of the 10 lost tribes? Yes. Could be the Great Moscow Prince the king of the 10 lost tribes? Yes. He was a king of many nations on these territories. Could be the Great Moscow Prince "the Anointed One ben Josef"? Yes. Cyrus was "the annointed One". So, why not.

Sincerely yours,
Onisim

 

[Steve Petersen]

I don't look to Christian tradition for answers to these things. I look to it's predecessor, Judaism.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5849-eschatology#anchor8

 

[dfw69]

He's already here, he's just not identified yet, not until the trumpets start to blow.

Who do you think the false messiah that Judaism will produced is?

 

[visionary]

Who says the false messiah is coming out of Judaism. When the blinders come off, All Israel will be saved. First shall be last.. and Last shall be first.... Israel is first... will be last... but will be saved.

 

[dfw69]

Who says the false messiah is coming out of Judaism. When the blinders come off, All Israel will be saved. First shall be last.. and Last shall be first.... Israel is first... will be last... but will be saved.

I believe Jesus taught that a false messiah will come out of Judaism ...it makes sense that they will, since many in the Judaism circle still reject the gospel account and they await a man who will fulfill messianic prophecies..it's highly possible with the Zionist government in place.


.Jesus taught that another messiah will come in his own name that many will receive...a man not sent by hashem..in fact ...he said many messiahs will come ...
But yes when the true messiah returns all Israel will be saved ...

 

[Ronald]

Who do you think the false messiah that Judaism will produced is?

You are looking in the wrong place for the answer.

 

[dfw69]

You are looking in the wrong place for the answer.

Ok thanks

 

[Ronald]

Ok thanks

Seriously, the Jews won't get a false Messiah, they will receive the true one, Jesus. (see Romans 11) They have been blinded for the sake of the gentiles until the end times. Remember every eye will see Him and then they will know.
The antichrist is the one who most of the world will receive as god and wear his mark, unless they die before they do.

 

[Onisim]

Dear Steve,

Thank you very much for the hyperlink
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5849-eschatology#anchor8

Thank you also, that according to the link you have read about the main reason for me to jump into the forum - my discussions with the friends about Russia as country of Gog an Magog. Now I see, that the concept that Russia is Gog an Magog country is still alive and important. The only good thing is that Russian Christians could be saved from the participation in the Army of Gog and Magog May be

But this interpration is not good if we remember that Russia and USA are the main nuclear powers The main arguments to consider Russia as the country of Gog prince Magog are the following:
1. Simple geographical interpretation: Unfortunately, Russia is the most powerful state located at the north from Israel. So, obviously, it will be considered as the country of the "Gog and Magog" :-(.
2. Relations between Iran and Russia are considered as additional argument, that Russia is Magog country. Sometimes this statement is critized , for example I like this reference from Koinonia Institute
eNews August 31, 2015
http://mostlikelymostdangerous.com/...iran-build-own-satellite-observation-systems/
But such thorough analysis is quite rare.

I have the following questions:
1. Could the word "North" be considered spiritually not literally?
2. Could we take into account that the relations between Iran and Russia are very complex ( Iran is the muslim country)?
Could we change interpretation, that Russia is the Gog and Magog country to decrease the probability of the nuclear collapse ?

Sincerely yours,
Onisim

 

[Douggg]

Who says the false messiah is coming out of Judaism. When the blinders come off, All Israel will be saved. First shall be last.. and Last shall be first.... Israel is first... will be last... but will be saved.

The person who becomes the Antichrist, his religion will have to be Judaism in order for the Jews to embrace him as their King of Israel. When the person reveals himself to be the man of sin, becoming apostate, the Jews will reject him as continuing as their King of Israel, and the person will go on to become the beast of Revelation, no longer the Antichrist.

 

[dfw69]

Seriously, the Jews won't get a false Messiah, they will receive the true one, Jesus. (see Romans 11) They have been blinded for the sake of the gentiles until the end times. Remember every eye will see Him and then they will know.
The antichrist is the one who most of the world will receive as god and wear his mark, unless they die before they do.

Actually the scriptures teach many are deceived and will fall away from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils due to false prophets and false messiahs all pointing to a false peace and false messianic age which is to come first

 

[Ronald]

Actually the scriptures teach many are deceived and will fall away from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils due to false prophets and false messiahs all pointing to a false peace and false messianic age which is to come first

Absolutely true and right from the scriptures -- you should quote and identify the scriptures accurately though. But a remnant of the Jews won't be the ones who are duped, they will be saved. (Rom. 11)
It will be the secular world, and all the false religions it, in addition to many who pretend to be Christians who are not sold out for Christ. I would imagine many people who are on the fence who never gave their hearts to the Lord or even attended Church but never made a commitment, will fall away as well as the liberal Jews who just went their own ways. When we examine the parable, "The Sower of the Seed", we see exactly what happens to those people that did not have a deep root, those who did not nourish the seed and those who got excited initially but the seed was stolen away. When the trials and tribulations confront them, they will fall away.

 

[Onisim]

Dear Ronald,

>You are looking in the wrong place for the answer.
The place is OK. But you can find as wrong so right things there

Sincerely yours,
Onisim

 

[dfw69]

Absolutely true and right from the scriptures -- you should quote and identify the scriptures accurately though. But a remnant of the Jews won't be the ones who are duped, they will be saved. (Rom. 11)
It will be the secular world, and all the false religions it, in addition to many who pretend to be Christians who are not sold out for Christ. I would imagine many people who are on the fence who never gave their hearts to the Lord or even attended Church but never made a commitment, will fall away as well as the liberal Jews who just went their own ways. When we examine the parable, "The Sower of the Seed", we see exactly what happens to those people that did not have a deep root, those who did not nourish the seed and those who got excited initially but the seed was stolen away. When the trials and tribulations confront them, they will fall away.

Yes many falling away includes many Jew and gentiles. . I agree

But I have hope in that in those days the spirit of God will be poured on many and many will be saved

 

[Douggg]

Yes many falling away includes many Jew and gentiles. . I agree

But I have hope in that in those days the spirit of God will be poured on many and many will be saved

Hi dfw, the great falling away in Christianity in 2thessalonians2 is before the man of sin goes into the temple and claims to be God.

How so? Because he does not commit that act until about 3 years 4 months into his being the King of Israel, as Judaism's perceived messiah.

So we look at his beginnings. He will be so convincing at the beginning of his time that he is the "real" messiah, as Judaism has been preaching for 2000 years that Jesus was not, that many in Christianity will no longer believe in Jesus and think that person is the actual real messiah. Apparently in large numbers. Which, btw, is also what Judaism thinks will happen to Christianity in light of the "real" messiah. As such, we have not seen the great falling away, yet.

The person being embraced by the Jews will be right after Gog/Magog as that is when their view the messianic era to begin.

And in Ezekiel 39, following Gog/Magog, there is the "second" big feast in verses 17-20, which is the Armageddon feast. Which is preceded by 7 years.

The end times scenario of the Antichrist's anointing as the king of Israel, is right there, when it will happen - but it is veiled to the unbeliever, as so many of the prophecies in the old testament are not understandable as stand alone - because they were intended not to give away to Satan ahead of time any clue that crucifying Jesus would free man from the power of sin.

1Corinthians2:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.