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the Mark of the Beast, Daniel's 70th week, and Pastor Bill Macgregor

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What else can I say. If you think Greece is the fourth empire in Daniel 2 then your "interpretation" is false simply because that prophecy clearly states that the kingdom of God fills the whole world after the fourth empire. As does Daniel 7, which just adds greater detail to the prophecy of Daniel 2. As does all the rest of the end time prophecy in the Bible they add further detail of events that would occur during the age of those four NAMED empires. Have fun on your little personal prophetic trip. It is a shame you will miss all the prophecy in the Bible that pertains to this age rather than that age.
 
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Jerry, how many times do I need to write...

Futurists believe that there is only one way to be saved, not two. And that one way, whether Jew or Gentile, is by believing upon the shed blood of Jesus, and his resurrection on the third day.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
The point is that the prophecies of the OT are being precisely fulfilled on time, which upholds the Church as the ordained vehicle to restore both houses of Israel under their own New Covenant,

People are drawn to Christ by the Holy Spirit. In Ezekiel 39:21-29, it is Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to this earth (in the future).

It is not the church who restores the two houses of Israel, but Jesus. The church is doing nothing in these passages. It is Jesus doing it all.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

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Jerry, do believe in the future Second Coming of Jesus ?
 
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What else can I say. If you think Greece is the fourth empire in Daniel then YOUR
The irony
 
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This is what I have been thinking to some degree. This Covid pandemic we saw, and the levels of coercion to pressure people into getting vaccinated in order to go to public places like cafe's, bars and restaurants and their places of employment should be enough of a wake up call. Then depending where people live, if you were in a family of 5 for example, and 1 family member was not vaccinated, other family members couldn't have visitors unless other family member was vaxxed. And then you come across places that either fine unvaccinated for entering into a place that shouldn't, or threats of fine against vaccinated workers who serve unvaccinated clients (see how the system was ready to stab a vaccinated in the back after they complied). Now if all this still does not wake people up, then such people in my opinion will never wake up.

Oh btw with reference to The Antichrist, it is assumed to be a single person, but I have my own opinions on this. I actually think The Antichrist is a reference to some kind of "shadow organisation" or "elite" that just remains behind the scenes so as not to draw too much attention and have others carry out the tasks assigned to them.


I cannot help but feel the reference to Beast with 7 heads and 10 horns could be a reference to the the G7 and G10. Something in Rev 17.11, the wording have to admit at the time got me really confused. When reading up on the Group of Seven (G7), there is actually 8 members in the Group of Seven. The EU is the 8th member (but it is still called the G7), but what is interesting, all other members are independent nations, but that cannot be said for the EU.

SO what if in Rev 17.11, the reference to the "eight" is a reference to a 8th member but part of a organisation of seven? Why in Rev 17.11 is the eight of the seven, but not eight of eight?

There must be something different about this "eighth member" that makes it stand out from the other seven.
 
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Why should i bother answering your obscure references when your ignoring the elephant the room of the kingdom of God becoming a great mountain and filling the whole earth that did not happen after the fall of the Greek empire? Or your silly assertions that the Bible is not calling the Medo\Persian empire one empire.
You are basically earning the I don’t talk to this person because there is something wrong with them badge.
 
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The little horn does wax strong from the territory once of Alexander's breakup kingdoms, south and east toward Israel, in Daniel 8:9. That location being from Greece.

But Greece itself doesn't have the political, economic, and military clout to be the kingdom of the beast. Look more to the EU, which can be considered the Roman Empire of the end times, of which Greece is a member state.

The little horn person will be a leader over ten kings of the EU, in some fashion, initially. Maybe of a military pact. Can't be said for certain at this time.

The little person when he reaches the beast stage of his career, it says that the ten kings hand over their kingdom to him, in Revelation 17:17. Which I take to mean that he will become dictator over the EU.
 
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Is the Second Coming of Jesus in Revelation 19 ?
Revelation 19 happens after the 42 months of the AoD. Pretty sure that is the last thing on the list of events after the Second Coming.
 
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Revelation 19 happens after the 42 months of the AoD. Pretty sure that is the last thing on the list of events after the Second Coming.
If Revelation 19 happens after the 42 months of the AoD, then the 42 months of the AoD is an event leading up to the Second Coming of Jesus, right ?
 
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You’re just trying to avoid the consequences of the futurist doctrine that God deals separately with Israel and the Church, Doug; futurism erroneously holds two separate mediations of Christ. It defies that there is but one mediation for all and that we are saved by accepting Christ, who uses the Church to call us, and by His Spirit save us; the Church is the vehicle by which God saves us. In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Gentile (Galatians 3:28-29), which destroys any notion that Christ mediates separately for the Jews.

Furthermore, I’m not going to let you sidestep that the prophecies to Israel establish that God commenced saving both houses of Israel at the first advent by sowing them and planting them in the world to build them again, as Jeremiah 31:1-2, 27-28 affirms. This is what the parable of the wheat and tares also affirms. (See also Zechariah 10:7-9.) God isn’t waiting to save the Jews when Christ returns; he finishes what he started back at the first advent. Dispensationalism and preterism simply can’t grasp that not all were ordained to be saved (Romans 9:6, 16).

And as a premillennialist, I’m appalled that you’re trying to get the phenomenon of Gog and Magog on this side of the 1000 years, in defiance that Revelation 20 establishes that it is after. Your futurist notions have you pervert prophecy and that is why your charts are just as appalling.

And last but not least, I do not respond to silly questions.
 
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You’re just trying to avoid the consequences of the futurist doctrine that God deals separately with Israel and the Church,
Not as far as Salvation goes. There is only one way to be saved for all of humanity.

Doug; futurism erroneously holds two separate mediations of Christ.
You should pick a different word(s) than "mediations" to be more clear as to what you mean.
It defies that there is but one mediation for all and that we are saved by accepting Christ
I wrote you in my last post that futurists believe that there is only one way to be saved, not two. And that one way, whether Jew or Gentile, is by believing upon the shed blood of Jesus, and his resurrection on the third day.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

God isn’t waiting to save the Jews when Christ returns; he finishes what he started back at the first advent.
The Jews, who currently do not believe in Jesus, turn to Jesus in the middle of the 7 years, Revelation 12:10.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Jerry, you need to tone down your rhetoric. I am not preverting prophecy.

Ezekiel 38-39 is clearly referring to the Jews being back in the land of Israel again. Which took place beginning in 1948 and is currently a nation over there that anyone can see.

And last but not least, I do not respond to silly questions.
The question of if you believe in the Second Coming of Jesus is not silly. I as a futurist believe in the Second Coming of Jesus, a literal unmatched in human history event. An event that is preceded by the events found in the end times passages in the bible.

What are the events of our generation that precede the Second Coming of Jesus ? Provide a list in sequence, since you do not have chart making skills.
 
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The Jews, who currently do not believe in Jesus,
Some Jews believe in Jesus. Why do you act as if none of them do?

Douggg, are you reading this verse carefully? When did salvation come? Long ago! Did Jesus not bring salvation to the world through His death and resurrection? Of course He did. This verse is not speaking of the future, it is speaking of the past. And it says the kingdom of our God had come. Do you not know that the kingdom of God came long ago? On the day of Pentecost long ago it came to Jerusalem in a very powerful way. Are you forgetting that "the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" (Romans 14:17)?

Also, "the accuser of our brethren" was cast out of heaven long ago. He cannot accuse believers in heaven anymore. That is why Paul said this:

Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Notice that Paul asked a series of questions. The answer to all of them, including the one asking "who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen" is no one. That includes Satan.

There is no basis whatsoever for thinking that Revelation 12:10 won't be being fulfilled in the future.
 
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Some Jews believe in Jesus. Why do you act as if none of them do?
Of course. I was speaking generically. And to when Israel, Jerusalem will embrace Jesus as their King coming in the name of the Lord. Matthew 23:39.

Here is a timeline chart I made specifically relevant to the Jews.

The Jews (Judaism), if you are not aware consider the return of every single Jew back to the land of Israel as what they call "the final redemption".


 
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Douggg, are you reading this verse carefully? When did salvation come? Long ago!
I agree. But Revelation 12 is about the woman, Israel, throughout its verses.
 
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Of course. I was speaking generically. And to when Israel, Jerusalem will embrace Jesus as their King coming in the name of the Lord. Matthew 23:39.
Many Jews have already done that. It's not talking about a single future event there.

Here is a timeline chart I made specifically relevant to the Jews.
I have no interest in it since I already know that I disagree with what you portray in all of your charts.

The Jews (Judaism), if you are not aware consider the return of every single Jew back to the land of Israel as what they call "the final redemption".
Are we supposed to interpret scripture based on what non-Christian Jews think or what they want to happen? Of course not. So, this comment means nothing to me.
 
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I agree. But Revelation 12 is about the woman, Israel, throughout its verses.
It's not talking about the nation of Israel, it's talking about spiritual Israel. Did you miss that the rest of her children besides Jesus are Christians (Revelation 12:17)?
 
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Here is a timeline chart I made specifically relevant to the Jews.

The Jews (Judaism), if you are not aware consider the return of every single Jew back to the land of Israel as what they call "the final redemption".


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Close only counts in hand grenades and horse shoes. 77 months if assuming 30 day months, does not equal 2300 days, it equals 2310 days. Nowhere in Daniel 8 does it say anything about 2310 days, it says 2300 days.
 
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