The lie of eternal security refuted once and for all.

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Actually, relying on one's righteousness is the wide path.

Faith in Christ and His gospel is not easy. It's a stumbling block for many. It's quite difficult to rely solely on God's grace, and you are living proof. You don't want to hang ALL of your hope on Christ, so your hedge their bet. You perfect yourself (so they think) and have your trust resting either fully or partially on your obedience to the law.

In other words, the narrow way is faith; the broad way is works.

Nowhere did I say I relied upon my own righteousness at all. I believe God does the good work in me. I also give God the glory and not myself for any good done in my life, too. There is a difference.


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Repent of preaching a false gospel - which is a sin against God and against man.

Yes, I am aware of what you meant. But "repent" is primarily used to tell people to repent of their sins like hating, lying, and in getting drunk, etc. Your belief allows for a person to sin and still be saved which actually goes against what the word "repent" actually means.

As I explained clearly (which you refused to address) the speaker in the video only preached one side of the God inspired paradox concerning salvation as found in the scriptures.

The Lord told us to be careful how we listen because for those who do not have - even what they think they have will be taken away from them.

When you leave out the other side of a doctrine - God will refuse to provide the correct view of that doctrine until you include both sides and ask for wisdom in figuring out the paradox.

Many others here understand the paradox in the correct way. God has given them the wisdom to understand - whereas He has withheld wisdom from you and the maker of the video - because you refuse to incorporate all of the appropriate scriptures into your doctrine.

This has been explained to you many times.

You do not have a grasp on how systematic theology must be done to stay in balance - and you also seem to be unaware of how the Holy Spirit deals with teachers and theologians in matters of this kind.

But the verses he quoted would not make any sense in light of your beliefs, though. That's where we run into a problem with what you believe, my friend. So I think it is best we agree to disagree. I do not think we will convince each other of what we believe. For I see your belief as being really, really, really.... and I mean really wrong. Yes, you tried to explain your beliefs in how it lines up with the real world, but my reply back to you shows that it does not stand up in light of the reality or how our physical world works. So I think it is best we move on, my friend. You are not going to convince me and I am not going to convince you.

Only prayer at this point can change your heart.
In any event, may God bless you.


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[FreeGrace2]

Actually, it is the majority belief, my friend. Most churches here in America believe in OSAS (Which is not in the Bible) and they deny the Biblical Teaching to be Holy (or Sinlessly Perfect).

But 1 Jn 1:8 says that those who "say they have no sin", which is saying they have attained sinless perfection) are self deceived and the truth is not in them.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

But 1 Jn 1:8 says that those who "say they have no sin", which is saying they have attained sinless perfection) are self deceived and the truth is not in them.

I have already explained this to you many times already. 1 John 1:8 has to be read in context to 1 John 2:4. They are essentially saying the same thing. 1 John 1:8 is a warning against thinking the same way as the gnostics who denied sin's existence by thinking that there was no dire after death consequences if they did sin. Hence, why 1 John 1:9 is the next verse that follows - because it teaches a person what to do if they do happen to sin. 1 John 1:8 is written to the Christian Scientist today who thinks sin does not exist whatsoever. 1 John 1:8 is also written to the OSAS proponent (i.e. The Once Saved Always Saved believer) today because they partially deny sin's existence. For they believe they sin physically but yet they think sin does not exist for them on a spiritual level whatsoever because Christ paid for all their sins including present and future sins (Whereby they believed confession of sin was not necessary in order to be forgiven of sin). In other words, these types of believers ignore both 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 1:9 as a result of their denial of the consequences of sin.

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[Bible Highlighter]

In fact, let's look at the verses in the video.

Ephesians 5:25-27.

Why should Christians turn away from darkness?

One of the reasons why Christians are to turn away from darkness is so as to make the church (i.e. the saints) to be "holy."

"Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." (Ephesians 5:25-27)​

Okay, here we see that one of the reasons why Christ loved the church and gave himself for the church is so that he could present the church.... without spot, or wrinkle and so as to be holy and WITHOUT blemish.

Can one be holy and yet remain in their sin?

No. Christ's imputed righteousness does not cover you if you were to murder someone or if you were to abuse children or if you decided to steal something. Christ's imputed righteousness only goes into effect when one agrees with God's plan that leads them into holiness (For which Christ has given Himself for so that they could be holy). Oh, and before anyone here screams "Works Salvationism", you have to realize that it is Christ that ultimately does the good work in the believer's life (and not the believer). For Christ said you can do nothing without Him. In other words, a believer merely submits to Christ (God) and then Christ does the good work in their hearts and lives. For good fruit is the proof that Christ (God) lives in a person or not. No Christ in a person's life means they do not have life (See 1 John 5:12).

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[Bible Highlighter]

But 1 Jn 1:8 says that those who "say they have no sin", which is saying they have attained sinless perfection) are self deceived and the truth is not in them.

The confusion on your part (among other people who think the same way) is quickly cleared up if you and others were to read the New English Translation that says,

"If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us."
(1 John 1:8) (New English Translation).​

or if you were to read the Expanded Bible, that says,

"If we say we ·have no sin [or have no sin nature; or are not guilty of sinning], we are ·fooling [deceiving] ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
(1 John 1:8) (Expanded Bible).​

Again, I have said this to you before, my friend; But is up to you if you were willing to receive the seed of the Word into your heart on this matter.

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[Bible Highlighter]

Also, as a part of the video:

It is a part of God's will for our life that we are to be Holy.

1 Thessalonians 4:3-5.
"For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:"​

In other words, the will of God is for us to be Sanctified or to go thru the Sanctification process. We are told to abstain from fornication. This means to not to partake of fornication whatsoever. For every believer should know how to possess their vessel or body unto Sanctification unto honor. This is not done in the lustful passions like the Gentiles partake in. Meaning, we should not make any provision for the flesh or sin if we are truly striving to live a holy life. In other words, a believer will not say they will always sin the rest of their life or that they would always keep sinning (as a part of some false interpretation on 1 John 1:8).

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Also, as a part of the video,
(Using my own words here for the passage he uses):

In fact, we know that the holiness that is being spoken of for a believer's life is not just talking about the imputed righteousness for our life but it is also talking about how we believers are also to be holy in conduct, too.

"As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." (1 Peter 1:14-16).​

So here we see it is very clear. We are to be obedient children and we are not to fashion ourselves according to the former lusts. We are to be holy and holy in all manner of conversation, too. For it is written, "be ye holy for I am holy."

Now, ask yourself, why would God ask you to do something that you could never accomplish? God says for you to be holy as He is Holy. It does not make sense if one can never really live a holy life if God is telling us to do that.

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[Bible Highlighter]

Also, as a part of the video:
(Using my own words for the passage he uses):

We are told to follow holiness otherwise no man shall see the Lord.

"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;" (Hebrews 12:14-15).​

So if we are not following after holiness, or I should say true holiness for our lives where sin is not supposed to exist, then no man shall see the Lord. This makes sense because verse 15 says we can fail the grace of God if we let a root of bitterness spring up within us whereby it would defile us. Do you feel you have a root of bitterness within you?


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[Bible Highlighter]

Also, as a part of the video:

If we believe the words of Jesus, not everyone who says unto Jesus, "Lord, Lord," will enter the Kingdom of Heaven but only he that does the will of the Father which is in Heaven.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21).​

What is the will of the Father or God?

We just seen the passage.

1 Thessalonians 4:3-5.
"For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God"

In other words, It is a part of God (or God the Father's) will for our life that we are to be Holy.
So not every one who says unto Jesus, Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom; And we know God the Father's will for our life includes "Sanctification."

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[FreeGrace2]

I said this:
"But 1 Jn 1:8 says that those who "say they have no sin", which is saying they have attained sinless perfection) are self deceived and the truth is not i"

I have already explained this to you many times already.

And I have explained WHY your explanation is incorrect.

But, I'll repeat myself. 1 Jn 1:8 speaks of those who "say they have no sin". That's saying the SAME THING as attaining sinless perfection. There is no difference. And you've not shown that there is.

So, WHEN you think you've attained sinless perfection, 1 Jn 1:8 will PERFECTLY apply to you.

1 John 1:8 has to be read in context to 1 John 2:4. They are essentially saying the same thing. 1 John 1:8 is a warning against thinking the same way as the gnostics who denied sin's existence by thinking that there was no dire after death consequences if they did sin.

Actually, both verses teach AGAINST the notion of sinless perfection.

1 John 1:8 is written to the Christian Scientist today who thinks sin does not exist whatsoever.

Do you realize just how silly that statement it? Christian Scientists didn't exist then. There is NO WAY John would have even expected such a cult to appear. John's message was clear: those who think they CAN achieve sinless perfection have DECEIVED THEMSELVES AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN THEM.

1 John 1:8 is also written to the OSAS proponent today because they partially deny sin's existence.

Your own opinion is trumped and refuted by the reality that NO ONE who's arguing against you on this thread believes that nuttiness. So why do you continue to bring up this straw man?

For they believe they sin physically but yet they think sin does not exist for them on a spiritual level whatsoever because Christ paid for all their sins including present and future sins (Whereby they believed confession of sin was not necessary in order to be forgiven of sin).

If this is true of the cult called christian scientist, then just make sure you ALWAYS identify that group with that idea. Because evangelicals who believe the Bible teaches eternal security certainly DON'T believe what you keep claiming they believe.

In other words, these gnostics would ignore both 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 1:9 as a result of their denial of the consequences of sin.
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Well, the evangelicals who have been arguing with your view aren't gnostics.

So, please join the party and realize that NONE of those evangelicals who debate you here on this thread believe the nutty things you keep trying to assign to them.

Evangelicals are neither gnostics nor christian scientists. Stop with the straw men already.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I said this:
"But 1 Jn 1:8 says that those who "say they have no sin", which is saying they have attained sinless perfection) are self deceived and the truth is not i"

And I have explained WHY your explanation is incorrect.

But, I'll repeat myself. 1 Jn 1:8 speaks of those who "say they have no sin". That's saying the SAME THING as attaining sinless perfection. There is no difference. And you've not shown that there is.

So, WHEN you think you've attained sinless perfection, 1 Jn 1:8 will PERFECTLY apply to you.

1 John 1:8 has to be read in context to 1 John 2:4. They are essentially saying the same thing. 1 John 1:8 is a warning against thinking the same way as the gnostics who denied sin's existence by thinking that there was no dire after death consequences if they did sin.
Actually, both verses teach AGAINST the notion of sinless perfection.


Do you realize just how silly that statement it? Christian Scientists didn't exist then. There is NO WAY John would have even expected such a cult to appear. John's message was clear: those who think they CAN achieve sinless perfection have DECEIVED THEMSELVES AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN THEM.


Your own opinion is trumped and refuted by the reality that NO ONE who's arguing against you on this thread believes that nuttiness. So why do you continue to bring up this straw man?


If this is true of the cult called christian scientist, then just make sure you ALWAYS identify that group with that idea. Because evangelicals who believe the Bible teaches eternal security certainly DON'T believe what you keep claiming they believe.


Well, the evangelicals who have been arguing with your view aren't gnostics.

So, please join the party and realize that NONE of those evangelicals who debate you here on this thread believe the nutty things you keep trying to assign to them.

Evangelicals are neither gnostics nor christian scientists. Stop with the straw men already.

Look, I am not going to keep arguing 1 John 1:8 with you. I have made my case, and I do not believe your interpretation stands in light of the surrounding context and the rest of Scripture. Not only that but your interpretation on 1 John 1:8 makes a willful allowance for "sin." This is something God cannot agree with. God is not unrighteous. He will not allow His people to think that they can continue in sin without serious after-life consequences to their soul. For the Scriptures say,

"Be not deceived. God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7).

Revelation 21:8 essentially says, "all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire."​

This would include even lying believers. All liars means "all."
Only those believers who confess and forsake their sin will have mercy (See Proverbs 28:13).
One is not truly forsaking their sin if they believe they will just keep on sinning in this life.


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[FreeGrace2]

The confusion on your part (among other people who think the same way) is quickly cleared up if you and others were to read the New English Translation that says,

"If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us."
(1 John 1:8) (New English Translation).​

Instead of cherry picking a favorite translation, how about just considering the original Greek. Here's how that verse is translated in my Interlinear: If we say that sin we have not, ourselves we deceive and the truth is not in us.​

or if you were to read the Expanded Bible, that says,

"If we say we ·have no sin [or have no sin nature; or are not guilty of sinning], we are ·fooling [deceiving] ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
(1 John 1:8) (Expanded Bible).​

Don't you realize that this translation DIRECTLY refutes your view?? "not guilty of sinning" is the exact claim of one who thinks they have achieved sinless perfection. iow, to be "not guilty of sinning" means to not sin.​

Again, I have said this to you before, my friend; But is up to you if you were willing to receive the seed of the Word into your heart on this matter....

You've been refuted so much, it's gotta hurt.

1 Jn 1:8 is directed to those who think they will achieve sinless perfection during this life. That means YOU. The Expanded Bible even refutes you.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Anyways, getting back to the video:

He also lists the following verse,

"For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light"
(Ephesians 5:8)​

This verse is a part of our "Instructions" from God. We are told to now walk as children of the light.

He then lists the following passage,

"The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying." (Romans 13:12-13).​

Okay, so we are to cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light. So we are to walk in the day (i.e. to walk spiritually upright) with no drunkeness, rioting, or envying, etc.

This then leads into the next verse he brings up. Verse 14.

"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." (Romans 13:14).​

So Christians are to put on the Lord Jesus Christ and to make no provision for the flesh and the lusts thereof (i.e. sin).

This then leads into the next verse he brings up, that says,

Ephesians 5:11
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."​

In other words, Christians are not to even have fellowship with those who partake of the unfruitful works of darkness but we are to reprove them. So if a Christian is saying they can sin and still be saved, they are agreeing with doing the works of darkness and they need to be reproved according to God's Word. This would also include any Christian who has a false interpretation on 1 John 1:8 who thinks they will always sin as a part of their life, too (Whereas 1 John 1:8 is talking about those who deny sin's existence in some way like Christian Scientists and Eternal Security proponents who partially deny sin by saying that all their present and future sin is already paid for - which gives them a license to sin - whether they think they can get away with a little bit of sin or a lot of sin).

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[Job8]

You've been refuted so much, it's gotta hurt.

Jason needs to fold up his tent and move on. A person who calls "eternal security" a lie needs to go back to square one.

 

[Rick Otto]

Anyways, getting back to the video:

He also lists the following verse,

"For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light"
(Ephesians 5:8)​

This verse is a part of our "Instructions" from God. We are told to now walk as children of the light.

He then lists the following passage,

"The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying." (Romans 13:12-13).​

Okay, so we are to cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light. So we are to walk in the day (i.e. to walk spiritually upright) with no drunkeness, rioting, or envying, etc.

This then leads into the next verse he brings up. Verse 14.

"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." (Romans 13:14).​

So Christians are to put on the Lord Jesus Christ and to make no provision for the flesh and the lusts thereof (i.e. sin).

This then leads into the next verse he brings up, that says,

Ephesians 5:11
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."​

In other words, Christians are not to even have fellowship with those who partake of the unfruitful works of darkness but we are to reprove them. So if a Christian is saying they can sin and still be saved, they are agreeing with doing the works of darkness and they need to be reproved according to God's Word. This would also include any Christian who has a false interpretation on 1 John 1:8 who thinks they will always sin as a part of their life, too (Whereas 1 John 1:8 is talking about those who deny sin's existence in some way like Christian Scientists and Eternal Security proponents who partially deny sin by saying that all their present and future sin is already paid for - which gives them a license to sin - whether they think they can get away with a little bit of sin or a lot of sin).

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That's the problem.
You're thinking our point is to "get away".
It isn't.
It's more like about not letting perfect be the enemy of good.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jason needs to fold up his tent and move on. A person who calls "eternal security" a lie needs to go back to square one.

I am not sure how you can read the Bible and ignore all the verses that refute the unbiblical teaching of Eternal Security. I beg you to re-examine what you believe and look at the following verses by way of prayer. For if I am wrong, I have nothing to lose (because I do not believe in Works Salvationism; I believe in Relationship-ism with God). But if you are wrong, you have everything to lose, my friend. Anyways, here is a...

Long List of Verses Refuting OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved):

• Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.

• Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.

• Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.

• Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.

• Matthew 18:21-35, Mark 11:25-26 - Forgive men’s sins against you, or God won’t forgive your sins against Him.

• Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.

• Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.

• Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.

• Mark 13:13 - But he who endures with his faith to the end (of his life) shall be saved eternally (Also seeMatthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Colossians 1:22-23, 1 Timothy 4:16, Hebrews 10:35-39, Revelation 2:10)

• Luke 9:23-25 - Whoever does not deny himself for Jesus’ sake will be destroyed (eternal death).

• Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.?

• Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.

• John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).

• John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.

• John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.

• John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?

• Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.

• Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.

• Rom 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.

• Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.

• Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.

• Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.

• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• 1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.

• 2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.

• 2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.

• Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.

• Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

• Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.

• Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.

• Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.

• Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
  … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.

• Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.

• Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.

• Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.

• 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.

• 1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.

• 1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.

• 1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).

• 1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.

• Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.

• Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?

• Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

• Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.

• Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).

• Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).

• Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.

• Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.

• Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.

• Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.

• Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.

• Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (w/o which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.

• Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.

• James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.

• 1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.

• 2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.

• 2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.

• 2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.

• 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

• 1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.

• 1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.

• 1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.

• Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality

• Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.

• Revelation 2:10 - Be faithful until death and Jesus will give you the crown of (eternal) life (Also see Mark 13:13above).

• Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death).

• Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.

• Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.

• Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

• Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.

• Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.

Source:
http://www.baptistboard.com/threads/your-handy-dandy-long-list-of-verses-against-osas.83484/


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[Bible Highlighter]

That's the problem.
You're thinking our point is to "get away".
It isn't.
It's more like about not letting perfect be the enemy of good.

First, Jesus says to be ye perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect (Matthew 5:48). The Father is perfect because He is holy and sinless. Even James gives us a glimpse to what a "perfect man" looks like. He says, "For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body." (James 3:2). But yet by what you said so far, you are giving me the impression that James is lying and we actually cannot be a "perfect man." Is that what you are saying? I sure hope that this is not the case.

Second, speaking of the "enemy", the Scriptures say,

"Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Neither give place to the devil" (Ephesians 4:26-27).​

But by what you said so far, you are giving me the impression that we must conclude that you believe that a saint is always angry and that they are always giving place to the devil at times (Which would be a direct violation of this above passage). Is that true? Is that what you believe? I sure hope not, my friend.


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[Rick Otto]

First, Jesus says to be ye perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect (Matthew 5:48). The Father is perfect because He is holy and sinless. Even James gives us a glimpse to what a "perfect man" looks like. He says, "For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body." (James 3:2). But yet you are saying that James is lying and we actually cannot be a "perfect man."

Second, speaking of the "enemy", the Scriptures say,

"Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:thNeither give place to the devil" (Ephesians 4:26-27).​

But by your understanding on this verse, we must conclude that you believe that a believer is always angry and that they are always giving place to the devil at times (Which would be a direct violation of this above passage).


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So I am angry and I call James a liar.
OK.
Go in peace.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So I am angry and I call James a liar.
OK.
Go in peace.

First, I was in the process of proof reading my post and editing it so as not to directly speak to you. So my apologies. I just updated my post now. Second, I am not sure how you rationalize or make your own beliefs work. So I am not trying to accuse you of what you think you believe. I am not a mind reader. I am saying that this is what Eternal Security must say if you follow it's logical conclusion. The key here is for you to prove your case with Scripture so as to convince me that this is not so.


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