The Last Reformation

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Interesting... You do realize that the Lord Jesus does not reject them for doing signs and wonders in his name..
Nor does he reject them.for casting out devil's in his name..-these are good works against such there is no law .
No..he rejects them because they continued to live sinful lives.they did not forsake thier sin.they did not repent of it .and so he calls them “you workers of iniquity“
You doers of sin .they thought they can continue to enjoy thier favorites sins and the works would atone ...wrong.

And this is what makes “the last reformation” extremely unpopular in religious circles..they teach an uncompromising gospel of repentance .

Yes i realse God did not reject them for their works.. They where trying to justify themselves before God by their many wonderful works.. That shows that they where works salvation believers who thought their many wonderful works would justify their place with God in eternity.. That was a big part of their iniquity,, their works salvation belief...

 

[Alithis]

Yes i realse God did not reject them for their works.. They where trying to justify themselves before God by their many wonderful works.. That shows that they where works salvation believers who thought their many wonderful works would justify their place with God in eternity.. That was a big part of their iniquity,, their works salvation belief...

Yes and there is no middle ground so if one is saved and then they Do Not do those works then they are living in sin.because sin is to know what is right to do..and Not do it.
So your greatly mistaken if you think you can say I have the righteousness of Christ and then not do the work of the will of God.
That is disobedience and rebellion.
For this he says “you wicked and lazy servant” .
The last reformation does not reach doing works to get saved.
It teaches you must repent of sin and be baptised for the forgiveness of sin .
To be saved by Jesus who is the one that saves. And to be saved we must obey the instructions of the one saving us.

Then ..Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commands. Which simply.means you will do what I tell you to do.
So if you say you love him but don't obey him then you don't love him .
Jesus also said if you only hear the word but don't Do it you deceive yourself.

Its important to not misrepresent things.

 

[Ron Gurley]

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"The Last Reformation "MOVEMENT

The ‘Pioneer Training School’ is a 3 week course that will be the start of a whole new life for many of you!

The ‘Pioneer Training School’ consists of teaching, discipleship, working on spreading the Gospel, walking to the streets healing the sick, casting out demons, baptizing in water and Holy Spirit, travel and much more. You will be taught the word of God and we provide instruction and practical training in healing the sick, preaching the gospel, leading people to salvation and so on. We will also have guest speakers and teachers from around the world, who already are seeing the fruits of a lifestyle of discipleship.

The costs for the school is $850 (US dollars). This price will, among other things, cover the cost of food, accommodation and some travelling.

I have seen “The Pioneer School ”

I have read the book “The Last Reformation ”

It's necessary that you have gone through the Pioneer School and have read the book The Last Reformation before we can accept your application

There is NO statement of doctrine or what they believe.

Smacks of a commercial enterprise!.

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Yes and there is no middle ground so if one is saved and then they Do Not do those works then they are living in sin.because sin is to know what is right to do..and Not do it.
So your greatly mistaken if you think you can say I have the righteousness of Christ and then not do the work of the will of God.
That is disobedience and rebellion.
For this he says “you wicked and lazy servant” .
The last reformation does not reach doing works to get saved.
It teaches you must repent of sin and be baptised for the forgiveness of sin .
To be saved by Jesus who is the one that saves. And to be saved we must obey the instructions of the one saving us.

Then ..Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commands. Which simply.means you will do what I tell you to do.
So if you say you love him but don't obey him then you don't love him .
Jesus also said if you only hear the word but don't Do it you deceive yourself.

Its important to not misrepresent things.

So you believe if one sins after they believe Jesus and trust in His atonement for the forgiveness of their sins.. Then they are unsaved ? Yes or no..

What is repentance in the definition you believe?

 

[lesliedellow]

They travel to various places and people go and meet them and they give these people "the power of the Holy Spirit" so they can heal other people too.

So the Holy Spirit is in their gift, is it? I thought God had a monopoly on that. They desrve the rebuke Simon Magus received from Peter in Acts 8.20-23.

 

[Alithis]

For by Grace are ye saved Through faith.. And that not of yourselves.it is the gift of God not of world least any man should boast.
For we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works which God has before ordained that we should walk in them.

So we see faith is a verb ..an action we do.
And we see if you are saved by Grace ..then you will Do his good works.

So if one attempts to accuse those who do good works and say they teach a works salvation (which is impossible) then they themselves must Not do any.
But then if they do not do the good works God wills be done.then they are Not saved by Grace.
It is impossible to be saved by Grace and then Not do the works God has before ordained that they should walk in them.

Call it a catch 22 if you want .

 

[Alithis]

So the Holy Spirit is in their gift, is it? I thought God had a monopoly on that. They desrve the rebuke Simon Magus received from Peter in Acts 8.20-23.

No..the Op has misrepresented them a lot.

 

[Alithis]

So you believe if one sins after they believe Jesus and trust in His atonement for the forgiveness of their sins.. Then they are unsaved ? Yes or no..

What is repentance in the definition you believe?

No that's another misconception.
It is written in 1 John that no one who is born of God will Continue to practice sin..
This means IF you mess up and sin ..the Lord will convict you..and chastise you and you will confess your sin and he will forgive you and you won't continue doing that thing.
But you will increase in Doing Rightousness. And growing in Holiness
You won't continue doing that same sin over and over and over. That is the opposite of repentance.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

I have been involved in two such events .. A healing and a partial healing.. But i am sure that miracles are being performed with the assistance of demonic spirits.. We read in the Bible a very serious warning of what will be happening in the last days::

So... why doesn't Jesus' statement that "a house divided against itself cannot stand" (Mark 3:25) apply during the last days anymore? If Satan can heal people by his own powers, does that mean that he does good things too? And why would God allow Satan to deceive even the Christians who want to do God's will?

 

[ByTheSpirit]

A lot of cessationist garbage being spewed on this thread and it absolutely grieves the heart of God be sure of that

 

[Theadorus]

What is your opinion about this? Are all these 'healings' staged (hired actors) or are they made with the power of the enemy?

I believe the last reformation is going in the right direction. Is Torben perfect? No, none of us are. Do I agree with all of what Torbens teaches, or his doctrine? I do not, but that doesn't discredit what he is doing. Like someone mentioned (I think someone mentioned it) the Holy Spirit will bear witness when people do certain things. I'll use myself for example, when I first watched a video on the last reformation (And this was before I knew anything about them), my Spirit started leaping when they were praying for the person. You could feel the power of God. That's how I knew what they were doing was real. So I don't believe the early videos I watched from TLR were staged. Now, I haven't seen any recent videos, but so I can't speak about today, but the Holy Spirit is using him in great ways.

Granted, I have also seen other "healing" videos online where my spirit did not bear witness and they were just doing it all for show. I personally have witnessed the healing power of God, and my wife and I have personally experienced it ourselves. So I know without a doubt that healing is for today. I also believe that we all have the power within us to pray for people and we can expect to see others healed. Mark 16:17-18, "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” Someone already threw out this verses, but I stand on that promise from God, and because of that I have seen healing when I prayed for people.

Really, what it all comes down to is letting the Holy Spirit speak to you about those kind of things. He will let you know. I watched a video on YouTube, and the person on there said he had a vision from God about how un-forgiveness will send you to Hell. Right away the Holy Spirit bore witness with me that that video was in error, and wrong. But millions have seen that video, and millions became fearful of being sent to Hell over their un-forgivenss - with my sister being one of those people.

Anyways, I hope this helps, brother.

 

[Alithis]

I believe the last reformation is going in the right direction. Is Torben perfect? No, none of us are. Do I agree with all of what Torbens teaches, or his doctrine? I do not, but that doesn't discredit what he is doing. Like someone mentioned (I think someone mentioned it) the Holy Spirit will bear witness when people do certain things. I'll use myself for example, when I first watched a video on the last reformation (And this was before I knew anything about them), my Spirit started leaping when they were praying for the person. You could feel the power of God. That's how I knew what they were doing was real. So I don't believe the early videos I watched from TLR were staged. Now, I haven't seen any recent videos, but so I can't speak about today, but the Holy Spirit is using him in great ways.

Granted, I have also seen other "healing" videos online where my spirit did not bear witness and they were just doing it all for show. I personally have witnessed the healing power of God, and my wife and I have personally experienced it ourselves. So I know without a doubt that healing is for today. I also believe that we all have the power within us to pray for people and we can expect to see others healed. Mark 16:17-18, "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” Someone already threw out this verses, but I stand on that promise from God, and because of that I have seen healing when I prayed for people.

Really, what it all comes down to is letting the Holy Spirit speak to you about those kind of things. He will let you know. I watched a video on YouTube, and the person on there said he had a vision from God about how un-forgiveness will send you to Hell. Right away the Holy Spirit bore witness with me that that video was in error, and wrong. He didn't use this verse, but in Matthew 6 it talks about forgiving and being forgiven, and not forgiving and God not forgiving you. He didn't mention this verse, but I believe this is what his video was based off of. But millions have seen that video, and millions became fearful of being sent to Hell over their un-forgivenss - with my sister being one of those people. Yes, un-forgiveness isn't good, but that it's not a cause for you to go to Hell (only rejecting salvation will send you to Hell).

Anyways, I hope this helps, brother.

I'm not sure why you've redirected your topic at the end to that of forgivness.
But it is not possible to walk in God and Not repent.of unforgivness.
If a person thinks that are not saved Because they have not forgiven..Thsts called conviction.the only remedy is to forgive that person.
Forgiveness is not ever optional.

 

[Theadorus]

I'm not sure why you've redirected your topic at the end to that of forgivness.
But it is not possible to walk in God and Not repent.of unforgivness.
If a person thinks that are not saved Because they have not forgiven..Thsts called conviction.the only remedy is to forgive that person.
Forgiveness is not ever optional.

I only mentioned that as another example of the Holy Spirit bearing witness to me about a subject/video. I wasn't trying to preach on it.

 

[Alithis]

I only mentioned that as another example of the Holy Spirit bearing witness to me about a subject/video. I wasn't trying to preach on it.

The holy spirit cannot Ever contradict Jesus.

 

[Alithis]

No. None of that.

The power is not ours, dependent on our own sanctity or our ability to stay holy enough. The power is all from God.

The moment we step from depending 100% on God and knowing that the power is all his and dependent ONLY on him we step away from Christianity and towards magic. That magic may or may not work, but it isn't Christianity any more.

If the disciples had to fast it was to remind them to stay dependent 100% on God. It was not to give them magical powers.

It's an obvious question for me to ask .but
Do you Go and pray for the sick and see them healed?

 

[Theadorus]

The holy spirit cannot Ever contradict Jesus.

Your right, the Holy Spirit doesn't. Really, you would have to watch the video in order to understand. If you are interested in watching it, you can PM me and I'll send you a link.

 

[Alithis]

I have seen a lot of miracles and I have seen a lot of people healed. I think the Bottom line is that the Bible is made up of the old and the new covenant. IF we do our part of the Covenant then we can be sure that God will do His part of the Covenant. When we read: "I am the LORD that healeth thee." then we need to find out what we need to do to receive healing from God.

"if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land". 2 chronicles 7:14

In this passage I think it is clear who receives healing: "My people" or the people of God. Healing is the children's bread. we need to be humble, pray and seek the face of God and turn away from our wicked ways and then God will heal us.

If people are preaching and teaching healing without repentance then I would ask what scripture they are trying to base that healing on.

And in the case of the Last reformation repentance is one of their strongest points equal with water baptism baptism in the Holy spirit and living a holy and obedient life.

 

[Alithis]

Your right, the Holy Spirit doesn't. Really, you would have to watch the video in order to understand. If you are interested in watching it, you can PM me and I'll send you a link.

Which video are you meaning?

 

[Theadorus]

Which video are you meaning?

The one about how your un-forgiveness will send someone to Hell.

 

[Jesus4Ever]

Honestly The Last Reformation seems to be doing God's work more than most Christians.

I notice that Christians says to go to church...but what they going for? Just because that's what man decided to do to worship God? The church preaches to people who are already believers. Jesus said to make disciples and spread his word, not just hang out and sing in a church.