The Lake Of Fire

[Word and Spirit]

Dear St Paul: please be advised you are promoting a "false doctrine".

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him."

Paul never taught Universalism, but you seem to believe in it.

 

[FineLinen]

Paul never taught Universalism, but you seem to believe in it.

God who is the Author of all is the Finisher of all. Yes, He is the Alpha and Omega who not only produces 12 baskets of remnant pieces of fish and bread from His miracles, He loses nothing.

St. Paul taught that the whole of created life shall be delivered & set free. That identical whole is what he declares in the following...

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him."

 

[Major1]

Major you know you have not quoted my entire response.

The Lake of Fire will be the experience of all creation. The Lake of all lakes has one purpose and one purpose ONLY. That purpose is change & transformation by the purifying God of Fire/Pur.

God IS FIRE.

There is no escape from this glorious God. ALL creation dwells within Him!

No escape from Him the consuming Fire!

YOUR exact words as copied and pasted from your post are...…...

"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SUPPORT THE UNIVERSALISTS THEOLOGY!!!! FINELINEN SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FROM ANYONE WHO IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE".

 

[FineLinen]

YOUR exact words as copied and pasted from your post are...…...

"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SUPPORT THE UNIVERSALISTS THEOLOGY!!!! FINELINEN SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FROM ANYONE WHO IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE".

Big Guy: My complete response to your initual question is as follows....

Major: There is no Scripture that will answer what you ask.

There is also no Scripture that declares our God whose essence is FIRE, (Consuming Pur), and in whose glorious Presence the ta pavnte will dwell, loses anything!

God IS the Source, Guide & Goal of the all.

 

[FineLinen]

Big Guy: My complete response to your initual question is as follows....

Major: There is no Scripture that will answer what you ask.

There is also no Scripture that declares our God whose essence is FIRE, (Consuming Pur), and in whose glorious Presence the ta pavnte will dwell, loses anything!

God IS the Source, Guide & Goal of the all.

The Lake of Fire will be the experience of all creation. The Lake of all lakes has one purpose and one purpose ONLY. That purpose is change & transformation by the purifying God of Fire/Pur.

God IS FIRE.

There is no escape from this glorious God. ALL creation dwells within Him!

There is no escape from the consuming pur!

In fact, the Lake of all lakes is an important part of Father bringing to consummation the restitution of all things as declared in Acts 3!

 

[Major1]

Yes, thank you Major, it's always revealing to steep ourselves anew in these great passages from the Torah, washed in Lamb's blood.

But the Song of Moshe in Ex 15:1-21 is entirely consistent with the 'all nations will come' great promise of Isa 45:23 and Rev 15:4. For in Exodus they sing of the victory of God and His ppl over the chariots of Pharaoh drowned in the sea.

In Revelation 20:13-15 we learn that:

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

So those pursuing Egyptians who drowned at the Red Sea crossing will be raised for judgment (Egypt is a 'nation' as defined).

We also see in Deuteronomy 32:43:

"Rejoice, O nations, with His people; For He will avenge the blood of His servants, And will render vengeance on His adversaries, And will atone for His land and His people."

The nations are rejoicing at God's vengeance on HIs adversaries? Ipso facto God's adversaries are NOT the nations. Aha, aha, you see Major, may the scales fall a little.



Jesus is the Lord of all things. And THE SALVATION OF GOD, Yahushua. He will save the nations from God's adversaries. Otherwise he wouldn't be named Salvation.



Nice try Major, but you'll need to deal with the continuity/ parallels with Isaiah 45:23 to the promise in Revelation 15:4. Everyone means everyone, they get saved. The real enemies are sin, death, Babylon and the false trinity. They get vanquished. End of story.

NOPE. Wrong again. EVERYONE means those who come to Christ!!!

I actually do not try but instead simply read the Word of God.

The real question here for this text is how do you as a Universalist come to the conclusions that EVERYONE, including Satan and his demons will be saved in the end of time.

Allow me to tell those who read what we post but do not join in a few things to allow them to see where YOU are coming from.

1. You have bought into the false narrative and believe that the Scriptures texts mean something other than what appears on the surface as they are written.

Even Clement of Alexandria and Origen, for example, believed that texts about the fires of hell refer to the fire of God’s love, which will purge sinners of their impurities over the course of many lives.
Of course that is their OPINION which has no basis in the Word of God at all.

2. This is the one that I really love. YOU as a universalist do not think that the biblical authors really did mean that there would be eternal punishment for the wicked, but they conclude that these authors were simply mistaken.

In other words....YOU and the others are admitting that YOU know more about the Scriptures than does God because it was GOD who gave the Scriptures to men to write. But instead of accepting what was written, YOU say.....God made a mistake and He did not say what He meant to say.

3. YOU are forced to believe that Scripture teaches both that God elected all in Christ and there fore ALL will be saved.

Of course that theology complelty ignores the Bible doctrinr of FREDOM OF CHOICE.

John 3:16, .........
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Now, did the sacrifice of Jesus Christ pay for the sins of the whole world. OF course it did. To think otherwise is just plain stupid and ignorant of the Bible.

But even John 3:16 limits who benefits from Christ's death, for those who believe. Faith is described as a gift of God which is the only way a man can be saved.

However, Jesus' death was not just the demonstration of God's love; He also took away the sins of the world FOR THOSE WHO WILL ACCEPT GOD'S GIFT WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST.

So then, will EVERYONE BE SAVED........NO! WHY?????

Because death ends the Freedom of Choice.
There is no faith after death.
There is no grace after death.

This is exactly why Paul said...."TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION!

 

[Major1]

The Lake of Fire will be the experience of all creation. The Lake of all lakes has one purpose and one purpose ONLY. That purpose is change & transformation by the purifying God of Fire/Pur.

God IS FIRE.

There is no escape from this glorious God. ALL creation dwells within Him!

There is no escape from the consuming pur!

In fact, the Lake of all lakes is an important part of Father bringing to consummation the restitution of all things as declared in Acts 3!

Post any Scriptures that verify that comment.

IF there are none then I will go with your comment of........
"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SUPPORT THE UNIVERSALISTS THEOLOGY!!!! FINELINEN SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FROM ANYONE WHO IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE".

 

[Major1]

The Lake of Fire will be the experience of all creation. The Lake of all lakes has one purpose and one purpose ONLY. That purpose is change & transformation by the purifying God of Fire/Pur.

God IS FIRE.

There is no escape from this glorious God. ALL creation dwells within Him!

There is no escape from the consuming pur!

In fact, the Lake of all lakes is an important part of Father bringing to consummation the restitution of all things as declared in Acts 3!

You said.....
"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SUPPORT THE UNIVERSALISTS THEOLOGY!!!! FINELINEN SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FROM ANYONE WHO IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE".

I believe you and have accepted your comment.

 

[FineLinen]

Take 2 (two)

My poor dear lad (not lady), you can stand on your head while placing cap's on your post, the complete response to you initually is as follows....

Major: There is no Scripture that will answer what you ask.

There is also no Scripture that declares our God whose essence is FIRE, (Consuming Pur), and in whose glorious Presence the ta pavnte will dwell, loses anything!

God IS the Source, Guide & Goal of the all.

 

[Major1]

The Bible?! Is that what we were talking about? Ouch, now you tell me.

So I presume your answer is a resounding YES, God wants all saved, first and foremost.

But you also believe He fails, do you not, and instead torments the many forever?

And if so, do you see a logical difficulty in holding these 2 beliefs?

Now you have just proved to everyone how your theology works. It works for you and the others who believe as you do through the manipulations of the Scriptures and sarcastic comments.

YES, the only thing we have been discussing is the fact that what you are believing IS NOT FOUND IN THE Bible. YIU KNEW THAT so please do not try to be pedantic.

YES, that is exactly what the Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:4...…..
"It is the will of God to have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."

THEN to make your theology fit your opinions you said......….
"But you also believe He fails".

God NEVER fails my friend and I would be careful in the way you say what you say.

Now you seem to conveniently forget John 3:16.............
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Romans 10:9-10 .....
If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is LORD," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 10:13 ......
for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved."

John 14:6 ……...
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 John 1:9 …...
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

NOW then...….why do you ignore/reject those Scriptures which say that ALL MEN MUST CHOOSE GOD to be saved?????

I know why, but maybe you can tell the people who read this stuff WHY????

 

[Major1]

Take 2 (two)

My poor dear lad (not lady), you can stand on your head while placing cap's on your post, the complete response to you initually is as follows....

Major: There is no Scripture that will answer what you ask.

There is also no Scripture that declares our God whose essence is FIRE, (Consuming Pur), and in whose glorious Presence the ta pavnte will dwell, loses anything!

God IS the Source, Guide & Goal of the all.

AGREED!

 

[Major1]

But there have been generations lost who have believed false doctrine. Their eyes were never opened. They let their teachers do the studying of the word they should have been doing to see if what they said was true or not.

Agreed.

Remember Jim Jones?
David Korish?
Ellen G. WHite?
Ann Voskamp
Lysa TerkHeurst
Fine Linen

 

[Major1]

Are you kidding?

At the bottom of every post is what I believe in a nutshell.

I Believe

I believe in “the restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouths of the prophets since the world began.” -Acts 3:21-

I believe that the “good tidings of great joy will be to all people.” -Luke 2:10

I believe that believers in Christ Jesus are “born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God.” -John 1:13-

I believe

I believe that God appointed Jesus Christ “heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.” -Hebr. 1:2-

I believe that “no man can come to Christ unless the Father who sent Him draws him.” -John 6:44

I believe “God gave Jesus authority over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as God gave him.” -John 17:2-

I believe

I believe the Father “has given all things into Jesus’ hands.” -John 13:3-

I believe that Jesus Christ “was the true light which gives light to every man who come into the world.” -John 1:9

I believe that “just as the result of one trespass was condemnation to all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification for all men.” -Romans 5:18

I believe one mans sin “brought condemnation for all mankind.” -Romans 5: 19-

I believe one mans righteousness brings “right relationship with God, and new life for everyone.” -Romans 5:19-

I believe one mans sin made the whole of mankind sinners. I also believe the righteousness of one Man makes the whole of mankind righteous.

You conveniently left out the you also believe in Satans salvation along with his demons and that you believe they will be removed from the LOF!

 

[Der Alte]

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Take 2 (two)
My poor dear lad (not lady), you can stand on your head while placing cap's on your post, the complete response to you initually is as follows....
Major: There is no Scripture that will answer what you ask.
There is also no Scripture that declares our God whose essence is FIRE, (Consuming Pur), and in whose glorious Presence the ta pavnte will dwell, loses anything!
God IS the Source, Guide & Goal of the all.

There is a phrase in Greek "τα παντα," in the NT, which means "all things." It is correctly transliterated in English as "ta panta." The Greek letter which looks like a lower case "v" is "nu" the equivalent of the English "n." Note in the quoted post there is something written as "ta pavnte" which is supposed to be "ta panta."
One must seriously question someone's beliefs if they can't even get two words in Greek correct.

 

[Der Alte]

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There is also no Scripture that declares our God whose essence is FIRE, (Consuming Pur), and in whose glorious Presence the ta pavnte will dwell, loses anything!
God IS the Source, Guide & Goal of the all.

The statement "There is also no Scripture that declares our God ... loses anything!" Is very deceptive and misleading.
Unlike God I sometimes lose things, a day or 2 ago I lost a notebook I carry. Very important has all my passwords. I searched, I thought, everywhere. I found it quite by accident I was adjusting the seat pad on my favorite chair and voila there the notebook was wedged between the pad and the back of the chair.
God does not lose or misplace anyone or anything but God does give some people up.

Romans 1:24
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:26
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:28
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Matthew 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Psalms 81:11-12
11 But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me.
12 So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.
Revelation 22:11
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

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[Shrewd Manager]

Remember Jim Jones?

Psy-op. Made for TV. Where Eddie Murphy got his start.

David Korish?

Ditto. Julian Lennon plays the character David Koresh. Good singing voice.

Fine Linen

The real deal. Doesn't short-change God or blaspheme the HS.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

NOW then...….why do you ignore/reject those Scriptures which say that ALL MEN MUST CHOOSE GOD to be saved?????

But I don't reject those scriptures, Major. I affirm that the ONLY WAY to the Father is through the Son. I believe that ALL MEN WILL CHOOSE GOD. That's what Revelation and all the great universalist promises of the OT are all about, that's why Jesus the Salvation of God is the Omega. Because once the veil is lifted, the agents of deception are removed, the gospel is proclaimed and God's righteous works are revealed 'full frontal' to unbelievers, their hearts cannot but change by HIS IRRESISTIBLE GRACE.

Did you ever experience this personally, the baptism of holy fire and the Spirit? God changed my mind and heart, took Him all of about 3 seconds.

Will the hazardous product say to its manufacturer 'I refuse to be recalled!'? Perish the thought, Major, it's a nonsense.

 

[FineLinen]

But I don't reject those scriptures, Major. I affirm that the ONLY WAY to the Father is through the Son. I believe that ALL MEN WILL CHOOSE GOD. That's what Revelation and all the great universalist promises of the OT are all about, that's why Jesus the Salvation of God is the Omega. Because once the veil is lifted, the agents of deception are removed, the gospel is proclaimed and God's righteous works are revealed 'full frontal' to unbelievers, their hearts cannot but change by HIS IRRESISTIBLE GRACE.

Did you ever experience this personally, the baptism of holy fire and the Spirit? God changed my mind and heart, took Him all of about 3 seconds.

Will the hazardous product say to its manufacturer 'I refuse to be recalled!'? Perish the thought, Major, it's a nonsense.

The mighty baptism of the Holy Spirit encompasses fire within it.

Many many moons ago, the little Evan. Church where His love first met me produced a great hunger for more of Him.

After a few years of incessant search for the Holy Spirit baptism, while walking down the street to work, I said to the Lord, "if only I could tell You how much I love You."

My dear Shrewd, the experience is better felt than telt!

 

[Der Alte]

...Will the hazardous product say to its manufacturer 'I refuse to be recalled!'? Perish the thought, Major, it's a nonsense.

Unlike people hazardous products are inert, inanimate they cannot choose to do or not do or be or not be anything.

 

[Major1]

Psy-op. Made for TV. Where Eddie Murphy got his start.



Ditto. Julian Lennon plays the character David Koresh. Good singing voice.



The real deal. Doesn't short-change God or blaspheme the HS.

From your comments I am not sure that you know what blaspheming the Holy Spirit means.