The Lake Of Fire

[Major1]

But I don't reject those scriptures, Major. I affirm that the ONLY WAY to the Father is through the Son. I believe that ALL MEN WILL CHOOSE GOD. That's what Revelation and all the great universalist promises of the OT are all about, that's why Jesus the Salvation of God is the Omega. Because once the veil is lifted, the agents of deception are removed, the gospel is proclaimed and God's righteous works are revealed 'full frontal' to unbelievers, their hearts cannot but change by HIS IRRESISTIBLE GRACE.

Did you ever experience this personally, the baptism of holy fire and the Spirit? God changed my mind and heart, took Him all of about 3 seconds.

Will the hazardous product say to its manufacturer 'I refuse to be recalled!'? Perish the thought, Major, it's a nonsense.

Yes. I am very aware about what you are talking about. Most Christians call it "Being saved". When the sinner accepts Christ he receives the Holy Spirit IMMEDIATLY who comes to indwell in that believer.

Again, if I am to believe what you said, then how do you reject Matthew 7:21-23...…..

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

You said...…………..
"I believe that ALL MEN WILL CHOOSE GOD."

But God clearly said...…..Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven".

As far as the purpose of the Revelation, I must once again correct you. The Revelation is a BOOK written from Jesus to John telling us what the wrath of God will be on those who have rejected Christ.

What the BOOK of the Revelation does is to unveil the book of Daniel who tells us about the 7 Year Tribulation Period.

 

[Major1]

But I don't reject those scriptures, Major. I affirm that the ONLY WAY to the Father is through the Son. I believe that ALL MEN WILL CHOOSE GOD. That's what Revelation and all the great universalist promises of the OT are all about, that's why Jesus the Salvation of God is the Omega. Because once the veil is lifted, the agents of deception are removed, the gospel is proclaimed and God's righteous works are revealed 'full frontal' to unbelievers, their hearts cannot but change by HIS IRRESISTIBLE GRACE.

Did you ever experience this personally, the baptism of holy fire and the Spirit? God changed my mind and heart, took Him all of about 3 seconds.

Will the hazardous product say to its manufacturer 'I refuse to be recalled!'? Perish the thought, Major, it's a nonsense.

Yes. I am very aware about what you are talking about. Most Christians call it "Being saved". When the sinner accepts Christ he receives the Holy Spirit IMMEDIATLY who comes to indwell in that believer.

Again, if I am to believe what you said, then how do you reject Matthew 7:21-23...…..

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

You said...…………..
"I believe that ALL MEN WILL CHOOSE GOD."

But God clearly said...…..Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven".

As far as the purpose of the Revelation, I must once again correct you. The Revelation is a BOOK written from Jesus to John telling us what the wrath of God will be on those who have rejected Christ.

What the BOOK of the Revelation does is to unveil the book of Daniel who tells us about the 7 Year Tribulation Period.

 

[Der Alte]

Isaiah 45:23 By Myself I have sworn; truth has gone out from My mouth, a word that will not be revoked: Every knee will bow before Me, every tongue will swear allegiance.
Strong's Hebrew: 7650. שָׁבַע (shaba) -- to swear
I generally use the NASB, but many translations refer to 'allegiance'. Do you say they swear expletives lol?

Unlike UR-ites I seek out correct translations NOT "translations" which support my assumptions/presuppositions. Here is the 1917 Jewish Publication Society [JPS] translation of Isaiah 44:23.

Isaiah 45:23-24
23 By Myself have I sworn, the word is gone forth from My mouth in righteousness, and shall not come back, that unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24 Only in the LORD, shall one say of Me, is victory and strength; even to Him shall men come in confusion, all they that were incensed against Him.​

If the nations that were in confusion and were incensed against God were swearing allegiance I'm certain the native Hebrew speaking Jewish scholars would have said so.
What you will probably do is show me a so-called "literal" version by a biased UR-ite "scholar." The JPS OT is about as literal as you can get.

The answer is found in worship.

All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will worship before Him.

(Ps 22:27>

Wrong! Bowing down in worship is NOT the answer.

All kings bow down before him, all nations serve him. (Ps 72:11)
All nations shall come and worship before the Lord, and they shall glorify His name. (Ps 86:9)
The nations will fear the name of the LORD And all the kings of the earth His glory. (Ps 102:15)
All flesh will bless His holy name forever and ever. (Ps 145:21)
All the nations will come and worship before Him, because His righteous acts will be revealed. (Rev 15:4)
Bowing down in worship is the correct answer der Alte.

You can't prove your assumptions/presuppositions about Isa 45:23 by quoting other verses out-of-context.
Ps 22:27. There are no ends of the earth or families in the grave.
Ps 72:11, 102:15 there are no kings or nations in the grave.
Ps 86:9, There is no flesh in the grave only dust and bones.
Maybe you can find us a scripture which states that the dead in the grave will rise and come to God?

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Unlike people hazardous products are inert, inanimate they cannot choose to do or not do or be or not be anything.

Is clay inert?

Will the clay say to the potter, 'What are you doing?' Or the thing you are making say, 'He has no hands '? (Isa 45:9b)

Is man not a molded product of God's own hands?

On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? (Rom 9:20)

 

[Shrewd Manager]

From your comments I am not sure that you know what blaspheming the Holy Spirit means.

This matter has been the subject of various threads in CF. I'm pretty confident I have basic handle on it. The HS comes to further the Kingdom. Denying the Kingdom or the power of God to achieve it is therefore to blaspheme the HS. The Kingdom will be absolute, so suggesting that it's 2% heaven and 98% hell, for instance, is not absolute, and therefore a denial of the HS's ability to bring it in.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Unlike UR-ites I seek out correct translations NOT "translations" which support my assumptions/presuppositions. Here is the 1917 Jewish Publication Society [JPS] translation of Isaiah 44:23.
Isaiah 45:23-24
23 By Myself have I sworn, the word is gone forth from My mouth in righteousness, and shall not come back, that unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24 Only in the LORD, shall one say of Me, is victory and strength; even to Him shall men come in confusion, all they that were incensed against Him.If the nations that were in confusion and were incensed against God were swearing allegiance I'm certain the native Hebrew speaking Jewish scholars would have said so.
What you will probably do is show me a so-called "literal" version by a biased UR-ite "scholar." The JPS OT is about as literal as you can get.

You've got a problem, because the same word used for God to swear an oath, is used for the the creatures' response in Isa 45:23, being Strong's 7650:
Strong's Hebrew: 7650. שָׁבַע (shaba) -- to swear

The oath sworn by God is translated to mankind, who swear it back to Him. Look at v.24 - even the confused and those who were incensed against God will come to Him.

Doesn't get much clearer than that der Alte.

You can't prove your assumptions/presuppositions about Isa 45:23 by quoting other verses out-of-context.
Ps 22:27. There are no ends of the earth or families in the grave.
Ps 72:11, 102:15 there are no kings or nations in the grave.
Ps 86:9, There is no flesh in the grave only dust and bones.
Maybe you can find us a scripture which states that the dead in the grave will rise and come to God?

Sure thing:

Rev 20:13 - the dead raised by Jesus.
Rev 21:24 - the (formerly dead) nations come to worship.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Yes. I am very aware about what you are talking about. Most Christians call it "Being saved". When the sinner accepts Christ he receives the Holy Spirit IMMEDIATLY who comes to indwell in that believer.

Sort of, it's a dynamic spiritual experience rather than a legalistic contractual one. I'm sure you know this Major.

Again, if I am to believe what you said, then how do you reject Matthew 7:21-23...…..

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

I don't reject these scriptures. But the departure into the LoF is for correction. So, for example, Christians who've used the gospel as a threat of the 'Buy our religion or burn forever'-variety. They might be prime candidates for re-education under this provision. Because that's not who Jesus is.

You said...…………..
"I believe that ALL MEN WILL CHOOSE GOD."

But God clearly said...…..Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven".

That's more a case of men believing they're choosing God but in fact choosing a counterfeit, and God rejecting them until they repent and choose Him properly.

As far as the purpose of the Revelation, I must once again correct you. The Revelation is a BOOK written from Jesus to John telling us what the wrath of God will be on those who have rejected Christ.

What the BOOK of the Revelation does is to unveil the book of Daniel who tells us about the 7 Year Tribulation Period.

I agree that the Book of Rev reveals God's wrath in the tribulation. However, that's not the end of the story. The bowls and the plagues etc are just the means to bring the unrepentant to salvation, by removing the enemies.

Hence by Rev 15:1 we already are told the wrath of God is finished:

Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished.

Then it leads into the Song of Moses and the Lamb, which we just discussed, proclaiming the victory of universal salvation:

"Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy; For ALL THE NATIONS WILL COME AND WORSHIP BEFORE YOU, FOR YOUR RIGHTEOUS ACTS HAVE BEEN REVEALED."

 

[FineLinen]

Sort of, it's a dynamic spiritual experience rather than a legalistic contractual one.

Dear Shrewd you have just nailed the foundation for the all of a walk with Father. It begins in Him & is sustained by Him. He lays His "Hand" on you and says "follow Me & I will make.."

Yes indeed, a dynamic spiritual experience!

 

[FineLinen]

"And if long and long ages of fiery pain, and tormenting darkness. fall to the share of many, or most of God's apostate creatures, they will last no longer, than till the great fire of God has melted all arrogance into humility, and all that is self died in the long agonies and bloody sweat of a lost God, which is that all-saving cross of Christ, which will never give up its redeeming power, till sin and sinners have no more a name among the creatures of God." -William Law-

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Dear Shrewd you have just nailed the foundation for the all of a walk with Father. It begins in Him & is sustained by Him. He lays His "Hand" on you and says "follow Me & I will make.."

Yes indeed, a dynamic spiritual experience!

It baffles me that many believers who've experienced something of the pure holy fire of amazing grace can then be seduced into conceiving of the Lake of Fire as some devil's roasting pit.

For instance, the pentecostals and charismatics really get the dynamic vitalising exuberance of inspiration...but they'll scoff and cast you out of their synagogues if you proclaim that the Spirit will be poured out on ALL in the last days.

How much more Spirit-filled would these churches be were the larger hope to be bursting from the hearts of the congregants.

 

[Major1]

Sort of, it's a dynamic spiritual experience rather than a legalistic contractual one. I'm sure you know this Major.



I don't reject these scriptures. But the departure into the LoF is for correction. So, for example, Christians who've used the gospel as a threat of the 'Buy our religion or burn forever'-variety. They might be prime candidates for re-education under this provision. Because that's not who Jesus is.



That's more a case of men believing they're choosing God but in fact choosing a counterfeit, and God rejecting them until they repent and choose Him properly.



I agree that the Book of Rev reveals God's wrath in the tribulation. However, that's not the end of the story. The bowls and the plagues etc are just the means to bring the unrepentant to salvation, by removing the enemies.

Hence by Rev 15:1 we already are told the wrath of God is finished:

Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished.

Then it leads into the Song of Moses and the Lamb, which we just discussed, proclaiming the victory of universal salvation:

"Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy; For ALL THE NATIONS WILL COME AND WORSHIP BEFORE YOU, FOR YOUR RIGHTEOUS ACTS HAVE BEEN REVEALED."

You said...…...

"it's a dynamic spiritual experience rather than a legalistic contractual one. I'm sure you know this Major."​

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YES I DO and I agree with you.


You said...…….​

" But the departure into the LoF is for correction."​

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NO! Now if you can and will post some or even ONE Scripture that validates your position I will be the 1st to agree with you. Until then your comment is simply a person opinion and nothing more to me.


You said...……..​

"That's more a case of men believing they're choosing God but in fact choosing a counterfeit, and God rejecting them until they repent and choose Him properly."​

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YES. I agree. And that is called....."RELIGOUS but LOST".​

Men for ever have fallen in love with a particular dogma, lets say "Universalism" instead of the Lord Jesus Christ. When we love Jesus and He lives in us, then the Scriptures HE wrote become extremely clear.​

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You said...………...
"Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished."
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NO. You failed to understand that the Revelation has several "PARENTHETICAL" chapters and verses. It is totally wrong exegesis to pull out a Scripture an apply to what YOUR opinion is.​

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Allow me to show you what I mean. YOU SAID and I quote you...…..​

Hence by Rev 15:1 we already are told the wrath of God is finished:

"Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished.

Then it leads into the Song of Moses and the Lamb, which we just discussed, proclaiming the victory of universal salvation".

IF what you say is correct and the Wrath of God is finished in chapter 15...then how in the world do you then manipulate Revelation 16:1-2
"And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. 2And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had ".
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Do now see how NOT understanding what "PARAENTHETICAL" will do to your personal theology. IF the wrath of God was finished in Chapter 15 as you say, then what is this in chapter 16???????​

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IT actually destroys the idea of UNIVERSALISM.​

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I do not expect you to accept that but maybe others who read this will see and grasp it.​

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[Major1]

It baffles me that many believers who've experienced something of the pure holy fire of amazing grace can then be seduced into conceiving of the Lake of Fire as some devil's roasting pit.

For instance, the pentecostals and charismatics really get the dynamic vitalising exuberance of inspiration...but they'll scoff and cast you out of their synagogues if you proclaim that the Spirit will be poured out on ALL in the last days.

How much more Spirit-filled would these churches be were the larger hope to be bursting from the hearts of the congregants.

Your comment is of course a two street isn't it?

 

[Major1]

This matter has been the subject of various threads in CF. I'm pretty confident I have basic handle on it. The HS comes to further the Kingdom. Denying the Kingdom or the power of God to achieve it is therefore to blaspheme the HS. The Kingdom will be absolute, so suggesting that it's 2% heaven and 98% hell, for instance, is not absolute, and therefore a denial of the HS's ability to bring it in.

And this is the root of the problem. You seem to have a lack of Bible understanding.

Blasphemy has nothing to do with the Kingdom. The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost consisted in attributing to the power of Satan those unquestionable miracles which Jesus performed by "the finger of God" and the power of the Holy Spirit.

It is plainly such a state of willful, determined opposition to God and the Holy Spirit that no efforts will avail to lead to repentance. Among the Jews, it was a sin against God answering to treason in our times.

 

[Major1]

Dear Shrewd you have just nailed the foundation for the all of a walk with Father. It begins in Him & is sustained by Him. He lays His "Hand" on you and says "follow Me & I will make.."

Yes indeed, a dynamic spiritual experience!

You do remember saying that...….
"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SUPPORT THE UNIVERSALISTS THEOLOGY!!!! FINELINEN SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FROM ANYONE WHO IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE".

 

[Major1]

"And if long and long ages of fiery pain, and tormenting darkness. fall to the share of many, or most of God's apostate creatures, they will last no longer, than till the great fire of God has melted all arrogance into humility, and all that is self died in the long agonies and bloody sweat of a lost God, which is that all-saving cross of Christ, which will never give up its redeeming power, till sin and sinners have no more a name among the creatures of God." -William Law-

You do remember saying that...….
"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SUPPORT THE UNIVERSALISTS THEOLOGY!!!! FINELINEN SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FROM ANYONE WHO IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE".

 

[Major1]

Psy-op. Made for TV. Where Eddie Murphy got his start.



Ditto. Julian Lennon plays the character David Koresh. Good singing voice.



The real deal. Doesn't short-change God or blaspheme the HS.

From your partner...
"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SUPPORT THE UNIVERSALISTS THEOLOGY!!!! FINELINEN SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FROM ANYONE WHO IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE".

 

[Major1]

The Lake of Fire will be the experience of all creation. The Lake of all lakes has one purpose and one purpose ONLY. That purpose is change & transformation by the purifying God of Fire/Pur.

God IS FIRE.

There is no escape from this glorious God. ALL creation dwells within Him!

There is no escape from the consuming pur!

In fact, the Lake of all lakes is an important part of Father bringing to consummation the restitution of all things as declared in Acts 3!

You have said.........……..

"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SUPPORT THE UNIVERSALISTS THEOLOGY!!!! FINELINEN SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FROM ANYONE WHO IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE".

 

[Major1]

Psy-op. Made for TV. Where Eddie Murphy got his start.



Ditto. Julian Lennon plays the character David Koresh. Good singing voice.



The real deal. Doesn't short-change God or blaspheme the HS.

As politicians love to say these days......Let me be perfectly clear!!!!!

I am a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. I am also a believer in His written Word as His way of communicating to us.

As you friend has said...………..
"THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SUPPORT THE UNIVERSALISTS THEOLOGY!!!! FINELINEN SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FROM ANYONE WHO IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE".

Now until YOU post Scriptures that CONTEXTUALLY validate yours and his opinions.....you my friend are wastin a lot of valuable time!

When it comes to spiritual things about God, Christ The Holy Spirit I ONLY Accept what is written in the Word Of God and upto and includding today, YOU have not post one single Scriptures that supports your opinion.

WHY IS THAT?????????
THERE ARE NO BIBLE SCRIPTURES WHICH SUPPORT THE UNIVERSALISTS THEOLOGY!!!! FINELINEN SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE NO SALVATION FROM ANYONE WHO IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE".

 

[Der Alte]

It baffles me that many believers who've experienced something of the pure holy fire of amazing grace can then be seduced into conceiving of the Lake of Fire as some devil's roasting pit.
For instance, the pentecostals and charismatics really get the dynamic vitalising exuberance of inspiration...but they'll scoff and cast you out of their synagogues if you proclaim that the Spirit will be poured out on ALL in the last days.
How much more Spirit-filled would these churches be were the larger hope to be bursting from the hearts of the congregants.

Let us consult the epitome of "literal" versions.
…..Greek is now, and has always been, the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church. Who, better than the native Greek speaking scholars who translated the “literal” Greek Eastern Orthodox Bible [EOB], know the correct meaning of Greek words, e.g. “Gehenna,””aiōnios” and “kolasis?”
…..In the EOB, footnote pg. 180

Hades is the realm of the dead. The upper part of hades was considered to be luminous and it was called “paradise” or "Abraham's bosom.” Hades is not to be confused with hell (Gehenna) which is the final place of state or place of the damned (“the lake of’ fire”).​

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The Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible EOB—New Testament 96

Matthew 25:46 Then he will answer them saying ‘Amen. I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' “These [[ones on the left]] will go away into eternal punishment.[κολασιν αιονιον/kolasin aiōnion] but the righteous into eternal life.​

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KJV Romans 16:26 [EOB 14:25]
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting [αιωνιου/aiōniou] God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:​

Paul, the same writer, uses αιωνιου/aiōniou, in the same writing, Rom 16:26 synonymous with αιδιος/aidios in Rom 1:20, below.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world, his invisible things are clearly seen. They perceived through created things, even his everlasting [τε αιδιος/te aidios] power and divinity. ​

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https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/books/or...tament-(The-Eastern-Greek-Orthodox-Bible).pdf
The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible EOB—New Testament 96 can be D/L at the link above. If anyone has doubts/questions about the EOB version I suggest they read the 200 page preface which documents the extensive Greek scholarship supporting this translation.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

You said...…...

"it's a dynamic spiritual experience rather than a legalistic contractual one. I'm sure you know this Major."
YES I DO and I agree with you.
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Much rejoicing on earth and in heaven!

You said...…….
" But the departure into the LoF is for correction."
NO! Now if you can and will post some or even ONE Scripture that validates your position I will be the 1st to agree with you. Until then your comment is simply a person opinion and nothing more to me.
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Oh Major, we were doing so well.

It's more than an opinion, it's my FAITH, Major. And that faith is solidly grounded in reason, it is 'fides et ratio'. And some of those reasons are as follows.

• God's emphatic and supervening plan for mankind is the salvation of all. (eg Isa 45:23, Rom 14:11, Phil 2:10, 1 Tim 2:4, 1 Cor 15:27 etc etc)
• Jesus came to save the world not to condemn it. Yahushua is God’s Salvation and the alpha and omega (Jn 3:17, Rev 22:13, Isa 48:12)
• Jesus does this by restorative means. (Lk 4:18, Isa 61:1, Mt 10:8 etc)
• The gospel is great news for all mankind (Lk 2:10-11)
• 'Destruction of the flesh' and 'death of self' are figurative, describing a stage of salvation. (What Does the Bible Say About Dying To Self?)
• The destiny of the nations is their redemption and healing. (Youth With A Mission – “All Nations” Verse List)
• God's enemies are spiritual not physical (55 Bible verses about Spiritual Warfare, Enemies In)
• Holy fire is a purifying agent (What Does the Bible Say About Refiners Fire?)
• God's attributes militate against torture - it offends His grace, mercy, justice, righteousness, truthfulness, holiness, honour, everything really...

The list goes on, as you can see, scripture is saturated in these great principles.

I have a funny feeling you're going to minimise and reject these compelling grounds because of a perverse need to cling to the idea of God torturing most ppl forever and a day, based on a handful of disparate and out-of-context scriptures interpreted carnally. Sorry Major, but no sale. Listen to the Spirit, in the last days God will pour His Spirit out on all flesh.

You said...……..
"That's more a case of men believing they're choosing God but in fact choosing a counterfeit, and God rejecting them until they repent and choose Him properly."YES. I agree. And that is called....."RELIGOUS but LOST".Men for ever have fallen in love with a particular dogma, lets say "Universalism" instead of the Lord Jesus Christ. When we love Jesus and He lives in us, then the Scriptures HE wrote become extremely clear.​

Let's say 'infernalism', as that fits the 'Sons of Hell' monicker with which Jesus saddles the Pharisees in Matthew 23:15.

IF what you say is correct and the Wrath of God is finished in chapter 15...then how in the world do you then manipulate Revelation 16:1-2
"And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. 2And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had ".

Do now see how NOT understanding what "PARAENTHETICAL" will do to your personal theology. IF the wrath of God was finished in Chapter 15 as you say, then what is this in chapter 16???????​

Parentheses are brackets (). I see no brackets around the text in Rev 15:1. Nor do I see any other indication that the verse is 'parenthetical'. That would be a dogmatic opinion based on nothing but mere assertion. You seem to be using this idea to deny that Rev 15:1 is a true statement.

I can understand why you might be confused because of the subsequent verse in Rev 16:1-2 you've raised. However, the vials were obviously prepared EARLIER. God is no longer angry by this stage, but the wrath is STORED UP as per Romans 2:5. That's why it's stored in vials.

IT actually destroys the idea of UNIVERSALISM.

Major, you just make these great irrational leaps to conclusions based on nothing really. Even if God is still pouring out His wrath by Rev 16:2, this in no way refutes the universalist thesis. The purpose of His venting His divine anger is to destroy the enemies of His creation and bring mankind to repentance. Because He has promised to save all. That's why we see the nations emerging from the fire repentant and ready for healing in the final pages of scripture.