The Jews to be kept safe during the Great Tribulation

[Billy Evmur]

Who are the Christians Satan is deceiving? Jesus says we will know the truth and it will set us free.

Them Galatians who had been deceived, who had stumbled, did they stumble so as to fall? Paul said Christ was of no avail to them, had they therefore ceased to be God's elect? I don't think you believe that....

 

[Dave L]

Them Galatians who had been deceived, who had stumbled, did they stumble so as to fall? Paul said Christ was of no avail to them, had they therefore ceased to be God's elect? I don't think you believe that....

Did they overcome? No problem, Satan was bound.

 

[Billy Evmur]

Were these true believers?
“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.” (John 10:28–29)

Oh dear....you disappoint me there.

 

[Dave L]

Oh dear....you disappoint me there.

Jesus refutes everything you are saying about Satan's binding.

 

[Billy Evmur]

Did they overcome? No problem, Satan was bound.

No but they didn't for Paul sorrowfully records in later life "all Galatia is gone away from me"

 

[Dave L]

No but they didn't for Paul sorrowfully records in later life "all Galatia is gone away from me"

Then they were not true Christians.
“For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.” (1 John 5:4)

 

[Billy Evmur]

Jesus said a lotta things, and I believe them all, but those things are curiously absent in the modern church.

 

[Dave L]

Jesus said a lotta things, and I believe them all, but those things are curiously absent in the modern church.

Just as many things you believe were absent in the historic church.

 

[Billy Evmur]

Then they were not true Christians.
“For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.” (1 John 5:4)

Paul said they received the Spirit, not by works of the law but by hearing with faith...if you are now debating eternal security of the believer it is a different topic.

 

[Dave L]

Paul said they received the Spirit, not by works of the law but by hearing with faith...if you are now debating eternal security of the believer it is a different topic.

So all apostatized or only some? Do you think some might have been tares?

 

[Billy Evmur]

So all apostatized or only some? Do you think some might have been tares?

Paul tells us who the tares were, those brethren who moved in after he had left. false apostles.

Wheat do not become tares, they just get messed up in their roots.

 

[Dave L]

Paul tells us who the tares were, those brethren who moved in after he had left. false apostles.

Wheat do not become tares, they just get messed up in their roots.

But John and Jesus say they will overcome.= Satan bound

 

[Billy Evmur]

But John and Jesus say they will overcome.= Satan bound

You love to miss important things out, they will overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony.

Overcoming here is not whether we are saved but whether we are successful Christians.

It's anudder topic.

 

[Dave L]

You love to miss important things out, they will overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony.

Overcoming here is not whether we are saved but whether we are successful Christians.

It's anudder topic.

But either way, Satan is bound as John says.

 

[Billy Evmur]

...but not at present...haves to wait for the Mill

 

[Dave L]

...but not at present...haves to wait for the Mill

You are taking away from John's words in Revelation.

 

[Douggg]

Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 16:1, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to the "house of Israel" for a period of about 7 years, before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.

The angel Gabriel did not mention a "gap" in the 490 year prophecy of Daniel chapter 9.

The only way to see the 70th week of Daniel is with a time machine set to return you to the first century.


Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

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The events of the 70th week are revealed in Revelation.

The video you interject is full of disinformation. Varner makes a false statement at minute 5:30 by saying the only place in the bible to get 7 years is in Daniel 9. The 7 years are in Revelation in the 1260 days and the 42 months and the 3 1/2 days and the time, times, half times. The confirming of the covenant for 7 years is in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 - which he did not know about.

Varner makes the error of saying that the coming of the messiah is Jesus's being baptized in the Jordan river instead of Jesus arriving hailed as the messiah in John 12:12-13.

Then Varner claims that the 70th week ends with the stoning of Stephen. That's crazy to think the 70 week points to its conclusion to be the stoning of Stephen - instead of on Jesus. The 70th week will end with the glorious return of Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

 

[Billy Evmur]

Dave L.
Not at all, it is the nations Satan deceives, during the 1,000 years he is bound, after the 1,000 years he is loosed and will deceive the nations once more...can only happen on earth.

 

[Revealing Times]

The seals have been opened to reveal events to take place during the 7 years 70th week.

Until you guys start talking in terms of events, as they take place on the 7 years timeline, this forum is going to be saturated with confusion.

No Seals have been opened, there is a 70th Week but the Seals are opened in the Middle of the week, the First Seal is the Man of Sin/Little Horn coming forth Conquering and to Conquer thus when he Conquers Jerusalem there will be 1260 days/42 months/a time, times and half a time left until Jesus returns.

 

[Douggg]

No Seals have been opened, there is a 70th Week but the Seals are opened in the Middle of the week, the First Seal is the Man of Sin/Little Horn coming forth Conquering and to Conquer thus when he Conquers Jerusalem there will be 1260 days/42 months/a time, times and half a time left until Jesus returns.

All of the seals have been opened, by Jesus, back in John's day to reveal what was in the book. Some of you guys are using the word opened as a shortcut to say that the events the seals revealed have not been fulfilled yet. But it is erroneous to do it that way.

The seals were locks on the book to keep from knowing what was inside. They were not judgments. The trumpets sounding and the vials being poured out announce judgements.

The seventh seal which Jesus opened revealed the trumpet judgements that will be sounded. And the rest of Revelation. Which includes the vials of wrath, which will be poured out at the time to announce the wrath judgements.

It is erroneous to say the seals, the locks, have not been opened yet. It is correct to say the trumpets have not been sounded yet, and the vials of wrath not poured out yet.

You should refer to the events of the seals - instead of saying the opening of the seals. Such as saying the seal 1 event. Or seal 6 event.
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In the post you just made, you should edit it by inserting the word "event"....

the First Seal event is the Man of Sin/Little Horn coming forth Conquering and to Conquer thus when he Conquers Jerusalem there will be 1260 days/42 months/a time, times and half a time left until Jesus returns.

.... you interpretation is not right, however, because the person is given a crown and is pictured being on a white horse to protray him as a messiah figure.