The Jews to be kept safe during the Great Tribulation

[jgr]

None of those nations was as thoroughly destroyed as Israel was...and the people scattered to the 4 winds. What ever happened to the ancient Babylonian empire? It was overthrown by Medo-Persia. What ever happened to Medo-Persia? It was overthrown by Greece, and in turn, Greece was overthrown by Rome. No one conquered Rome....it just slowly disappeared.

So WHERE is Babylon today? It disappeared - never to be seen again. Where is Medo-Persia today? It disappeared, never to be seen again. Where is the great Grecian empire? Same story.

Israel, however, came back, after all those years, with the same language. Why? Because God made promises to them.

Egypt as a nation predates Israel by up to 2,000 years, and has never disappeared as a nation from history since that time.

God has obviously protected it much more convincingly than Israel, which disappeared in 70 AD for over 1,800 years.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Scientific Proof That God is Protecting Israel in Just 2 Minutes

The very fact that Israel IS today is proof!

Saudi Arabia IS today.
North Korea IS today.
China IS today.
A whole host of other Christ-rejecting nations IS today.

Yep. I still see them on the map and in the news today.........

No one conquered Rome....it just slowly disappeared.
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Rome was sacked just as Jerusalem was sacked.
[There may be a prophecy somewhere in the OT on that.]..........

This shows the Roman army carrying off the Menorah after the sacking of Jerusalem.

Jewish–Roman wars - Wikipedia

The events also had a major impact on Judaism, after the central worship site of Second Temple Judaism, the Second Temple in Jerusalem, was destroyed by Titus' troops.................................

Depiction of the Roman triumph celebrating the Sack of Jerusalem on the Arch of Titus in Rome. The procession features the Menorah and other vessels taken from the Second Temple.

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Sack of Rome (455) - Wikipedia

The sack of 455 was the third of four ancient sacks of Rome; it was conducted by the Vandals, who were then at war with the usurping Western Roman Emperor Petronius Maximus.

What Caused The Fall of the Roman Empire?

On 24 August, 410 AD Alaric, a Visigoth general, led his troops into Rome. The three days of looting that followed were reportedly quite restrained by the standards of the time, and the capital of the Empire had moved to Ravenna in 402 AD. But it was an enormously symbolic blow.

Forty-five years later, the Vandals carried out a more thorough job.
It is accepted that Genseric looted great amounts of treasure from the city, damaging objects of cultural significance such as the Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus by stripping away the gilt bronze roof tiles (hence the modern term vandalism[6]).[7] There is, however, some debate over the severity of the Vandal sack.
The sack of 455 is generally seen as being more thorough than the Visigothic sack of 410[8] because the Vandals plundered Rome for fourteen days whereas the Visigoths spent only three days in the city.

This picture shows a Menorah being taken during the sacking of Rome.

 

[iamlamad]

I would say let the Jews figure that out. After all, it is their Prophecy.
You're just going to have to tie in that 70th week to 70ad.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Mat 23:37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
Luk 13:34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!

Luke 19:
41 And as He nears, beholding the City, and He laments on Her,
44 And shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee,
and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee,
stead which not Thou knew the season of the visitation<1984> of Thee".
Luke 21:6
“These which ye are beholding.
Shall be coming days in which not shall be being left stone upon stone here which not shall be being thrown-down<2647>

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely leveled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings.

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"You're just going to have to tie in that 70th week to 70ad." You may feel like you have to, but I certainly don't! I know that NONE of the trumpet judgments or vials have come yet. They are part of the future 70th week of Daniel.

since you think it is history, please give us dates for each of the trumpet judgments and vials - WHEN did each happen?

 

[iamlamad]

Egypt as a nation predates Israel by up to 2,000 years, and has never disappeared as a nation from history since that time.

God has obviously protected it much more convincingly than Israel, which disappeared in 70 AD for over 1,800 years.

Did Abraham come from Egypt? Of course not! God made promises to Abraham and HIS descendants - who turned out to become the nation of Israel. Part of God's promises was that if Israel went after false gods, He would scatter them. They did and so God did - scatter them. He is always true to His word. God made no such promises to Egypt.

 

[jgr]

Did Abraham come from Egypt? Of course not! God made promises to Abraham and HIS descendants - who turned out to become the nation of Israel. Part of God's promises was that if Israel went after false gods, He would scatter them. They did and so God did - scatter them. He is always true to His word. God made no such promises to Egypt.

From the beginning, God's original covenant promises were made to those of covenant faith and obedience, irrespective of their ethnicity (Genesis 17:12).

Under God's New Covenant, the recipients of those promises are Christ His Son (Galatians 3:16), and those who are in Christ, again irrespective of ethnicity (Galatians 3:28-29).

There are no promises to Israel outside of Christ. (2 Corinthians 1:20)

In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled in Christ and those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

And His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...make us who are in Christ joint heirs with Him.

But notice:
There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile, who is not in Christ.

 

[iamlamad]

From the beginning, God's original covenant promises were made to those of covenant faith and obedience, irrespective of their ethnicity (Genesis 17:12).

Under God's New Covenant, the recipients of those promises are Christ His Son (Galatians 3:16), and those who are in Christ, again irrespective of ethnicity (Galatians 3:28-29).

There are no promises to Israel outside of Christ. (2 Corinthians 1:20)

In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled in Christ and those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

And His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...make us who are in Christ joint heirs with Him.

But notice:
There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile, who is not in Christ.

What you are saying then, is that all the prophecies of the Old Testament - for example those of the Messiah being KING and ruling the earth - are null and void, because they were written before Christ came. Sorry, I don't buy it.

Some of God's promises were conditional. But some of them were not. There are things in our Old Testament that were not a part of the old Covenant, such as some prophecies. For example, the latter chapters of Ezekiel about a future temple. I am not going to write those off. There are prophecies written that still will come to pass.

 

[BABerean2]

For example, the latter chapters of Ezekiel about a future temple. I am not going to write those off. There are prophecies written that still will come to pass.

The construction of the third temple began during the first century.
I have handled some of its stones.
A description of that temple is found below.

1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Myself and others who have been purchased by the blood of Christ are the "priesthood" of that temple, and a part of the "holy nation".

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[keras]

What you are saying then, is that all the prophecies of the Old Testament - for example those of the Messiah being KING and ruling the earth - are null and void, because they were written before Christ came. Sorry, I don't buy it.

Some of God's promises were conditional. But some of them were not. There are things in our Old Testament that were not a part of the old Covenant, such as some prophecies. For example, the latter chapters of Ezekiel about a future temple. I am not going to write those off. There are prophecies written that still will come to pass.

You just don't get it.
God's Promises WILL all come to pass; His faithful people will receive them. Romans 9:24-27
The story of the Exodus of the Israelites is the perfect example. They left Egypt, but because of unfaithfulness, they died in the desert. ONLY Joshua and Caleb, the two who had faith that God would do as He promised; made it into the Promised Land.

Yes, the Temple will be built; by those Christians who have the courage and faith to stand firm during the great ordeal to come. Revelation 7:1-14 describes them all in Jerusalem, praising their Protector.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You just don't get it.
God's Promises WILL all come to pass.. The story of the Exodus of the Israelites is the perfect example. They left Egypt, but because of unfaithfulness, they died in the desert..............
Yes, the Temple will be built; by those Christians who have the courage and faith to stand firm during the great ordeal to come. Revelation 7:1-14 describes them all in Jerusalem, praising their Protector.

Hello Keras. Thanks for bringing up Egypt and the Temple.

Egypt is mentioned in Revelation 11 in conjunction with 70ad Jerusalem
Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt

Revelation 11:8 And their body/bodies lie upon the street of the great City, which is called spiritually Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

The Pharisees were just like the Egyptians under Pharaoh: [Exodus 1:1-13]

Matthew 23:1 “The scribes and the Pharisees have sat down on Moses’ seat; 4 And they tie up burdens heavy and hard to bear and lay them on the shoulders of men; but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 33 Serpents! Offspring of vipers! How shall you escape from the sentence of Gehenna?

The Temple in Revelation 11 is the 1st century pre-70ad Temple being measured.
Jesus mentions the pre-70ad Temple in all 3 Gospels. Why do that if it also isn't being shown in Revelation?


Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
Mark 13:
1 And He going forth out of the Temple,
Luke 21:
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple

Here is Jesus being caught up after His Crucifixion, death, burial, resurrection and finally His ascension in Acts 1:9. This happened in the 1st century so it is a past event!

Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a Son, a male,
Who is about to be shepherding<4165> all the nations in iron rod/staff.
and caught away was her Child unto God and His throne,
[/quote]Acts 1:9 And these things having said — they beholding —
He was taken up, and a cloud did receive Him up from their sight;

And here He is talking to John shortly after His ascension

Revelation 1:18 and the living One!
And I became dead and behold! I am living into the ages of the ages.

Thus the Temple, which included the corrupt murderous Judean rulers/Priesthood that had Him crucified, was still standing at the time He was talking to John! Why the heck would God allow the Jews to have to wait another 2000yrs for a Temple to be built?!

The Court in Revelation 11:2
The Court in Revelation 11:2

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of the God and the Altar and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833>, without of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854>, and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the nations
and the holy City they shall be treading/pathsousin <3961> (5692) forty two months.

Matthew 26:3
Then were gathered together the Chief-priests and the Scribes, and the Elders of the people to the court/fold/aulhn <833> of the Chief-priest who was called Caiaphas [Revelation 11:2]


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[iamlamad]

Hello Keras. Thanks for bringing up Egypt and the Temple.

Egypt is mentioned in Revelation 11 in conjunction with 70ad Jerusalem
Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt

The Pharisees were just like the Egyptians under Pharaoh: [Exodus 1:1-13]


The Temple in Revelation 11 is the 1st century pre-70ad Temple being measured.
Jesus mentions the pre-70ad Temple in all 3 Gospels. Why do that if it also isn't being shown in Revelation?


Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
Mark 13:
1 And He going forth out of the Temple,
Luke 21:
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple

Here is Jesus being caught up after His Crucifixion, death, burial, resurrection and finally His ascension in Acts 1:9. This happened in the 1st century so it is a past event!

Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a Son, a male,
Who is about to be shepherding<4165> all the nations in iron rod/staff.
and caught away was her Child unto God and His throne,

Acts 1:9 And these things having said — they beholding —
He was taken up, and a cloud did receive Him up from their sight;

And here He is talking to John shortly after His ascension


Thus the Temple, which included the corrupt murderous Judean rulers/Priesthood that had Him crucified, was still standing at the time He was talking to John! Why the heck would God allow the Jews to have to wait another 2000yrs for a Temple to be built?!

The Court in Revelation 11:2
The Court in Revelation 11:2


Matthew 26:3
Then were gathered together the Chief-priests and the Scribes, and the Elders of the people to the court/fold/aulhn <833> of the Chief-priest who was called Caiaphas [Revelation 11:2]


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You are going to be very shocked when you see Revelation playing out in our FUTURE - exactly as it is written: the 6th seal and world wide earthquake, then the 7th seal, then the 7 trumpet judgments, and finally the days of Great Tribulation - cut short by the vials of God's wrath.

It is an absolute fact: it is been almost 2000 years and no temple. The Jews HAVE had to wait.

I am still waiting for you to name and date the events of the 7 trumpet judgments. Since you imaging they are historic events, that should be a simple task. When, for example, have supernatural horsemen killed 1/3 of earth's population? Where and when were 1/3 of the trees burned up and all the grass? Where and when were the cattle "perplexed" because they had no pasture? (Joel 1)

 

[iamlamad]

You just don't get it.
God's Promises WILL all come to pass; His faithful people will receive them. Romans 9:24-27
The story of the Exodus of the Israelites is the perfect example. They left Egypt, but because of unfaithfulness, they died in the desert. ONLY Joshua and Caleb, the two who had faith that God would do as He promised; made it into the Promised Land.

Yes, the Temple will be built; by those Christians who have the courage and faith to stand firm during the great ordeal to come. Revelation 7:1-14 describes them all in Jerusalem, praising their Protector.

I expect the temple to be built - very soon. But it will be by Jews, probably not by Christian Jews.

 

[iamlamad]

The construction of the third temple began during the first century.
I have handled some of its stones.
A description of that temple is found below.

1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Myself and others who have been purchased by the blood of Christ are the "priesthood" of that temple, and a part of the "holy nation".
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Rev. 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Please explain to us how other people can be worshiping INSIDE you or any other believer. Then explain just how a believer can be "measured" with a reed like a rod.

I think almost any beginning reader when reading this would think it is talking about a building - brick and mortar type building - foundation, walls, rooms, roof, etc.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You are going to be very shocked when you see Revelation playing out in our FUTURE - exactly as it is written: the 6th seal and world wide earthquake, then the 7th seal, then the 7 trumpet judgments, and finally the days of Great Tribulation - cut short by the vials of God's wrath.

It is an absolute fact: it is been almost 2000 years and no temple. The Jews HAVE had to wait.

keras said: ↑You just don't get it.
God's Promises WILL all come to pass; His faithful people will receive them. Romans 9:24-27

I expect the temple to be built - very soon. But it will be by Jews, probably not Christians.

First, they got to find a place to build it........

Zechariah 14:4 "HIS FEET WILL STAND ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES"

1 particular prominent structure that stands out, when one is looking toward the Temple Mount and Jerusalem from the Mt of Olives, is the Gold Dome.
I am trying to imagine a future Jewish Temple being built next door to it.........
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[iamlamad]

First, they got to find a place to build it........

Zechariah 14:4 "HIS FEET WILL STAND ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES"

I think they will find a place. And I also think it will be before Jesus stands on the mount of Olives.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I think they will find a place. And I also think it will be before Jesus stands on the mount of Olives.

It could be decades before they even lay the first stone. and decades more until the last stone is laid.......
also keep in mind, that a Sanctuary/Tabernacle has to be built inside the Temple,
And why should that concern us gentile Christians? For we are now the Sanctuary/Temple of God.......

G3485 (YLT)
G3485 ναός (naos), occurs 46 times in 40 verses
ναός, ναοῦ, ὁ (ναίω to dwell), the Sept. for הֵיכָל, used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of holies (in classical Greek used of the sanctuary or cell of a temple, where the image of the god was placed, called also δόμος, σηκός,

1 Corinthians 3:16
have ye not known that ye are a sanctuary<3485> of God, and the Spirit of God doth dwell in you?

Revelation 11:19
And opened was the Sanctuary<3485> of God in the heaven, and there was seen the Ark of His Covenant in His Sanctuary,
And there did come lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 21:22
And a Sanctuary I did not see in it,
for the Lord God, the Almighty, is its Sanctuary, and the Lamb,

images of herod's temple - Google Search:

WHAT "MANNER OF BUILDINGS AND STONES 1ST CENTURY TEMPLE 70AD

I decided to do a study on the "buildings" mentioned in Matt and *Mark.
"buldings" used only 3 times in the Gospels

3619. oikodome oy-kod-om-ay' feminine (abstract) of a compound of 3624 and the base of 1430;
architecture, i.e. (concretely) a structure; figuratively, confirmation:--building, edify(-ication, -ing).
Strong's Number G3619 occurs 18 times in 18 verses

Matthew and Mark both mention "buildings":

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings<3619>of the Temple.
2 And Jesus said to them, “ are ye not seeing all these?
Amen I am saying to ye,
not no may be being left here stone upon stone, which not shall be being thrown-down.”

Mark mentions "buildings" and "manner of stones"

Mark 13:1
And He going forth out of the Temple, one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings<3619>"
2 And Jesus answering said to him, “thou are beholding these, the great buildings.<3619>
Not no may be being left here stone upon stone which not no may be being thrown-down

Luke mentions the manner of stones in Mark as "goodly"

Luke 21:
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple, that to goodly<2570> stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned
6 “These which ye are beholding.
Shall be coming days in which not shall be being left stone upon stone here which not shall be being thrown-down

Some OT verses where buildings occur:

1 King 9:10
At the end of twenty years, during which Solomon built these two buildings—the temple of the LORD and the royal palace—
1 Chronocles 15:1
After David had constructed buildings for himself in the City of David, he prepared a place for the ark of God and pitched a tent for it.
1 Chronicles 28:11
Then David gave his son Solomon the plans for the portico of the temple, its buildings, its storerooms, its upper parts, its inner rooms and the place of atonement.

And a site I found on a little bit of history on Herod's Temple:

https://www.bible-history.com/jewishtemple/JEWISH_TEMPLEHerods_Temple00000006.htm

None of the restorations or extensions of the Second Temple of Zerubbabel could compare with the work begun by King Herod I (the Great) at the beginning of 19 BC. Herod complained that the Temple of Zerubbabel was built like a fortress and was shorter than that of Solomon’s Temple by about 90 feet because of a decree made by Darius, the Persian king. King Herod no doubt wanted to be remembered forever as the builder of the greatest temple of the Jews.

Although the reconstruction was equal to an entire rebuilding, still the Herodian Temple cannot be spoken of as a third Temple, for Herod even said himself, that it was only intended to be regarded as an enlarging and further beautifying of that of Zerubbabel’s.
The work of rebuilding the Temple began in 19 BC which was the 18th year of King Herod’s reign. There were 10,000 skilled laborers and according to Josephus (Ant. 15.11.2) the laity could not enter certain parts of the building, therefore 1000 Levites were specially trained as builders and masons, and carried out their work so efficiently and carefully that at no time was there any interruption in the sacrifices and other services. The work was started by leveling larger portions of the Temple Mount, so that the new building might be erected on a broader base. It was also made much taller, so that the white stone gleamed in the bright Palestinian sun and could be seen from miles away.....................................

 

[BABerean2]

Rev. 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Please explain to us how other people can be worshiping INSIDE you or any other believer. Then explain just how a believer can be "measured" with a reed like a rod.

I think almost any beginning reader when reading this would think it is talking about a building - brick and mortar type building - foundation, walls, rooms, roof, etc.

The location of that temple is found at the end of the same chapter.

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

The location of that temple is found at the end of the same chapter.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

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Yes indeed.
And then there is this OT passage concerning the AoC.

Jeremiah 3:16
It shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land, in those days," says Yahweh,
"they shall say no more, 'The Ark of the Covenant of Yahweh!'
neither shall it come to mind;
neither shall they remember it;
neither shall they miss it;
neither shall it be made any more".

So even if the Jews build another Sanctuary, Yahweh will not dwell in it, rather it will be just another tourist attraction in and around Jerusalem.......

According to Josephus in 70ad, Titus actually wanted to save the Sanctuary, but God had decided against that.........

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Thus they cut the very sinews of their own strength.
At this critical and alarming conjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman army was approaching the city.
The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; no means of flight:-- nothing to be expected from the Romans but signal and exemplary vengeance.............

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.........[Ezekiel 22:11-22]...............................

Struck with the magnificence of its architecture, and the beauty of its decorations, which even surpassed the report of fame concerning them ; and perceiving that the sanctuary had not yet caught fire, Titus redoubled his efforts to stop the progress of the flames.
He condescended even to entreat his soldiers to exert all their strength and activity for this purpose, and appointed a centurion of the guards to punish them if they again disregarded him : but all was in vain.
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These are some of the finest videos I have seen on that event. [part 4 is pending]
Best viewed "full screen"

............Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive. The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen.
In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ; ............At the recital of this melancholy and affecting occurrence, the whole city stood aghast, and poured forth their congratulations on those whom death had hurried away from such heartrending scenes. Indeed, humanity at once shudders and sickens at the narration, nor can any one of the least sensibility reflect upon the pitiable condition to which the female part of the inhabitants of Jerusalem must at this time have been reduced,
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Luke 21:23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.

Revelation 9:6 And in those days the men shall seeking the death, and not no shall be finding it;
and shall be yearning<1937> to be dying, and the death is fleeing from them.

 

[iamlamad]

It could be decades before they even lay the first stone. and decades more until the last stone is laid.......
also keep in mind, that a Sanctuary/Tabernacle has to be built inside the Temple,
And why should that concern us gentile Christians? For we are now the Sanctuary/Temple of God.......

G3485 (YLT)
G3485 ναός (naos), occurs 46 times in 40 verses
ναός, ναοῦ, ὁ (ναίω to dwell), the Sept. for הֵיכָל, used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of holies (in classical Greek used of the sanctuary or cell of a temple, where the image of the god was placed, called also δόμος, σηκός,

1 Corinthians 3:16
have ye not known that ye are a sanctuary<3485> of God, and the Spirit of God doth dwell in you?

Revelation 11:19
And opened was the Sanctuary<3485> of God in the heaven, and there was seen the Ark of His Covenant in His Sanctuary,
And there did come lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 21:22
And a Sanctuary I did not see in it,
for the Lord God, the Almighty, is its Sanctuary, and the Lamb,

images of herod's temple - Google Search:

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WHAT "MANNER OF BUILDINGS AND STONES 1ST CENTURY TEMPLE 70AD

The temple must be complete at the midpoint of the future 70th week (Rev. 11). If we see the temple, we can know the 70th week will be soon to follow.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The temple must be complete at the midpoint of the future 70th week (Rev. 11). If we see the temple, we can know the 70th week will be soon to follow.

Okie dokie.........

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