The Global Flood

[fromdownunder]

They are not my points, they are his.

Then why did you bring Hovind up in the first place?

Norm

 

[AV1611VET]

If you believe in miracles, that's fine and your right. But if you do, why do you keep trying to explain the flood in naturalistic terms? Naturedidit?

Who, me? Since when do I explain the flood in naturalistic terms? I like to think I explain the flood in Biblical terms first, and then natural terms.

 

[AV1611VET]

Again, if you believe God accomplished the flood story with miracles, why do you try to explain it in natural terms (i.e., without God)?

You must have me confused with someone else.

 

[AV1611VET]

Panderson, that's fine by me, and if you wish to say it in an apologetic forum, I will not argue at all.

But when people say there was a world wide flood, and bring such arguments to the table in a science forum, that is when (and the only time) I will ask for evidence.

In theology/mataphysics/apologetics forum "God did it" is enough for me to bow out. It cannot be falsified. In a science forum, I am afraid it is not.

Norm

This is not a science forum --- it is a Christian forum. You "scientists" are the visitors here. We just put up with you guys because you have a modicum of entertainment value.

 

[Jase]

Who, me? Since when do I explain the flood in naturalistic terms? I like to think I explain the flood in Biblical terms first, and then natural terms.

Well, back to my OP, care to account for the heat issue and why God never mentioned solving any of those problems in the Bible? And why he would go to such lengths to exterminate a bunch of animals?

 

[Jase]

This is not a science forum --- it is a Christian forum. You "scientists" are the visitors here.

No, this is the debate forum. The Christian only forums are a bit higher. This is the discussion of Creation vs. Evolution - a scientific forum. And many Christians here are scientists. Stop with your inane generalizing about scientists all being evil atheists.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Who, me? Since when do I explain the flood in naturalistic terms? I like to think I explain the flood in Biblical terms first, and then natural terms.

and,

If you guys dismiss outright Jesus walking on water, don't expect us to discuss buoyancy laws, specific gravity, etc.

So why do you even bring up these scientific terms if you believe a miracle took place? True though, you don't discuss them.

 

[AV1611VET]

's funny, I was always under impression that America was founded by British colonists who wanted out from under the thumb of the British monarchy at the time (that whole taxation thing).

America was founded by Pilgrims who launched from the Netherlands.

I guess they teach different history lessons where you come from, huh?

Ya --- we gotta correct other peoples' errors all the time.

Then why do creationists keep paying lip service to the notion that creationism is somehow scientific?

Because God and Science do not (repeat: do not) conflict. Science obyes God.

 

[JohnR7]

Stop with your inane generalizing about scientists all being evil atheists.

What is this, the law of convenience? So science is not made up of atheists, they are all God Fearing Christians?

 

[JohnR7]

Then why did you bring Hovind up in the first place?

Because they asked a question, so I gave his answer to the question.

 

[Self Improvement]

What is this, the law of convenience? So science is not made up of atheists, they are all God Fearing Christians?

Many of them are. Do you live in your own little world where everyone is an atheist or a christian?

 

[JohnR7]

why he would go to such lengths to exterminate a bunch of animals?

You want to know why God does things the way He does? It is in the Bible, did you ever think of looking for the answers there?

 

[JohnR7]

Many of them are.

So, science is not made up of atheists and yet many of them are atheists.

Do you live in your own little world where everyone is an atheist or a christian?

Most every one we know is a christian. We mostly associate with the filipino american association and the vast majority of filipino's are christian. In fact it is considered one of the few christian nations in Asia.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, back to my OP, care to account for the heat issue...

No --- that's your burden.

...and why God never mentioned solving any of those problems in the Bible?

That's real cute. Like God owes us an explanation for anything.

And why he would go to such lengths to exterminate a bunch of animals?

Those animals died due to the universal effect of sin. Something scientists conveniently don't talk about.

Assuming, of course, you meant the dinosaurs. A lot of them probably died out in what scientists like to call the "Ice Age".

 

[AV1611VET]

No, this is the debate forum. The Christian only forums are a bit higher. This is the discussion of Creation vs. Evolution - a scientific forum. And many Christians here are scientists. Stop with your inane generalizing about scientists all being evil atheists.

No --- this is not the debate forum, either. Neither is it the Creation vs. Evolution scientific forum.

 

[fromdownunder]

Because they asked a question, so I gave his answer to the question.

Please, specifically, who asked a question about what Hovind thinks.

Norm

 

[AV1611VET]

So why do you even bring up these scientific terms if you believe a miracle took place? True though, you don't discuss them.

Once again, Science and God do not conflict.

Have you read my interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10,12?

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Once again, Science and God do not conflict.

Have you read my interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10,12?

No, I haven't read your interpretation.

Do you believe in miracles? By a miracle I mean an occurance in the natural world that was caused by a supernatural entity which thereby places the occurance beyond the descriptive powers of science. If you do, then you can believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible (esp., Noah's ark). If you don't believe in miracles, then, no you can't reconcile the Bible being 100% scientifically accurate.

 

[USincognito]

America was founded by Pilgrims who launched from the Netherlands.

Off topic, but have you ever heard of Jamestown? 1607 occured before 1620, unless in your weird "appeance of age" worldview it actually occured later.

 

[USincognito]

Assuming, of course, you meant the dinosaurs. A lot of them probably died out in what scientists like to call the "Ice Age".

None of them died out in any of the recent Ice Ages. They were all gone after the end of the Cretaceous.

Yet another problem for your Omphalos Universe.