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Featured The Evils of Cessationalism

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by rockytopva, Jun 2, 2019.

  1. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    “Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” (1 Corinthians 13:8–10)

    When did this happen?

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16–17)
     
  2. Hammster

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    Right. And the problem is that the OP turned that into “if you are cessationist, you are just like those people”.

    Let’s say that’s true. Then as a cessationist, I’m in the right because at the time of Ezekiel’s writing, there were no gift of tongues, healings, etc.
     
  3. Dave L

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    Here's how the deception works. On the last day; “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:22–23)

    Because the name of Jesus rules over Satan and demons. But Many try to attach a rider to this saying the Charismatic gifts are for today. The prayer of faith heals the sick. But they use examples of healing to sell the whole bill of fraudulent goods.

    “Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” (1 Corinthians 13:8–10)

    When did this happen?

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16–17)
     
  4. Jermayn

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    Anyone who thinks God has stopped performing some of the gifts that were performed by the apostles is missing out.
     
  5. Alithis

    Alithis Disciple of Jesus .

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    Im having a homer simpson moment
     
  6. Alithis

    Alithis Disciple of Jesus .

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    None of this makes any sense to the topic .

    But i will clarify the first scripture listed.
    -He does not reject them for the good work of healing the sick and drivi g out devils
    .he rejects them for thier guilt ..thier INIQUITY.. They didnt repent of thier sins in thier life..they kept doing them.thinking thier good works would makeup for it.. But any one who continues to practice sin(live in sin) John categorically states, " is of the devil"
    ..john
     
  7. Alithis

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    Umm dave.. The news papers were opposed toit and just like the Spirit of the world today ..they falsley slandered it.

    To be honest..id be ashamed to use world media to discredit the word of God...
    Who does that ?
     
  8. Dave L

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    Have you ever read any of the reports and history?
     
  9. Dave L

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    But he never knew them. And this does not describe the mainline churches. It describes much of what we see today.
     
  10. Dave L

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    “Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” (1 Corinthians 13:8–10)

    When did this happen?

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16–17)
     
  11. Dave L

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    No, if you knew what the original gifts were, you would know today's claims for the gifts are misguided.
     
  12. rockytopva

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    To preach Cessationalism is to breathe more life into the spirit of the Laodicean church age.... Which is basically (let him that read the prophecy understand) materialism, coldness, luke-warmness, carnality, unbelief, and that which makes the Lord sick enough to his stomach to spew religious professors out of his mouth and life.
     
  13. Calminian

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    We'll let's be clear we're not talking about modern miracles. All cessationists I know believe miracles still happen today, medical or otherwise. I believe in modern miracles. Prayer works and can result in a miracle Lord willing. This is not to be confused with the gifts individuals are claiming to have, gifts of healing etc.

    Do you know anyone with the gift of healing that is laying on hands and doing miracles before people's eyes? Do you know a healer that can make tumors vanished before people's eyes? Looking at an x-ray and then suddenly gone? That would be akin to what happened at Pentecost.

    Tumors going away is something we see often, with various treatments various diets. God can also answer prayers of the saints and take a tumor way. That's different. That's not a gift to an individual healer, that's God healing through a miracle or a doctor's wisdom.

    We agree. I'm open to modern gifts akin to those at Pentecost, I just don't see anyone claiming to have gifts like these. I don't know any serious charismatics walking around claiming Pentecost tongues or Pentecost healing powers. It's by their testimony worldwide, I'm a cessationist, for they themselves are closet cessationists, admitting the power of Pentecost is not in them.
     
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  14. rockytopva

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    To preach Cessationalism is to also bring back to life the old spirit of the Sardisean church age.... Which is basically (let him that read the prophecy understand) a denominational name along with a spiritual deadness.
     
  15. Dave L

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    Not according to the history of voodoo involved in the Azusa St. "revivals".
     
  16. Hammster

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    Is there a difference between Cessationalism and cessationism?
     
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    Nothing in Revelation 3 mentions gifts. I think you might be practicing eisegesis.
     
  18. rockytopva

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    Gifts... Plenty of Gifts, thank God, available for the child of God....

    1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
    2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
    3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
    4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
    5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
    6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
    7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
    8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
    9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
    10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
    11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. - 1 Corinthians 12

    Nothing here on cessationalism either!
     
  19. Calminian

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    So, then, if I'm understanding this correctly, doesn't this prove that the gifts that were manifest during Pentecost do not have to be available today. Doesn't this mean non-sign gifts could be what God is using in the Church today? Especially considering the fact that charismatics today are not even claiming to have the gifts extant at Pentecost?
     
  20. Hammster

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    Hold on. You jumped from Revelation to here. I said that there was no gifts mentioned in Revelation 3, not 1 Corinthians 12.
     
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