The Evils of Cessationalism

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Most charismatics I know are closet cessationists. None of them believe the gifts at Pentacost are still extant. All the gifts they claim are totally different—different tongues, different healing, etc. Frankly the miracles reported at charismatics churches look like parlor tricks, not even worthy to be called works of God.

Can you please cite the best signs you've seen—the ones that look like those reported in the Bible?
Hi.. Signs like... ? People being healed..
Devils being cast out?
I note in the bible these things were not hidden inside buildings on sundays..

This video Testimony is strong
Only under 9 minutes people..hang in thier untill the 2nd 4 minutes..well worth it.


 
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Okay. Then by implication, I can use that passage to say it’s evil to deny election since God had His chosen people then, and does so now.
Many are called few are chosen...
The chosen are only those who answer the call. They get to fill elected spots :)
Whats this got to do with cessationism....
 
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Hi.. Signs like... ? People being healed..
Devils being cast out?
I note in the bible these things were not hidden inside buildings on sundays..

This video Testimony is strong
Only under 9 minutes people..hang in thier untill the 2nd 4 minutes..well worth it.


Yes, like real healings. Withered hands being stretched out before people's eyes. People being raised from the dead. People speaking in other real languages they never knew before, enabling them to share the gospel with people who speak those languages.

You know, stuff that's obvious, and above the illusions of a Vegas magic show. Those are the things the people at Pentecost saw daily. Those seem to be missing today, traded in for slayings in the spirit, gibberish tongues.
 
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Yes, like real healings. Withered hands being stretched out before people's eyes. People being raised from the dead. People speaking in other real languages they never knew before, enabling them to share the gospel with people who speak those languages.

You know, stuff that's obvious, and above the illusions of a Vegas magic show. Those are the things the people at Pentecost saw daily. Those seem to be missing today, traded in for slayings in the spirit, gibberish tongues.
Though one rise from the dead...they will not believe
I often wonder why people think one healing is less then another..
If youve ever been suffering in sickness
Or tormented by devils in anxities and depressions and suddenly been freed and healed.. You would Know one is not greater then another.each is relative to the individuals situation.
 
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Many are called few are chosen...
The chosen are only those who answer the call. They get to fill elected spots :)
Whats this got to do with cessationism....
No, you are denying that God chooses who He pleases, like He chose Israel. I have a passage in Ezekiel ( apparently) that proves that denying this is evil.
 
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No, you are denying that God chooses who He pleases, like He chose Israel. I have a passage in Ezekiel ( apparently) that proves that denying this is evil.
Not sure where you get that from.
He chose them but not all israel aligned thenselves to him to obey him and benifit from that election..
Just so with salvation :)
 
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Not sure where you get that from.
He chose them but not all israel aligned thenselves to him to obey him and benifit from that election..
Just so with salvation :)
Like I said, you are just denying.
 
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It is a bad thing to think that just because one is not aware of the power of God to work in their life.... To assume the power of God is not available at all...

7 And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall.
8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.
9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.
10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.
11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.
12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, the Lord seeth us not; the Lord hath forsaken the earth. - Ezekiel 8

Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not. -Ezekiel 9:9


I fear the above passages are not related to the topic of cessationalism, which teaches that the gifts of the Spirit ceased either with the passing of the Apostles or upon the complete canonization of all the scriptures. They simply address how there are people who do not think God sees all that they do.

The passage that the cessationists have twisted to their ends that does relate to the topic of your thread is 1 Corinthians 13:8-10.
 
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I fear the above passages are not related to the topic of cessationalism, which teaches that the gifts of the Spirit ceased either with the passing of the Apostles or upon the complete canonization of all the scriptures. They simply address how there are people who do not think God sees all that they do.

The passage that the cessationists have twisted to their ends that does relate to the topic of your thread is 1 Corinthians 13:8-10.

cessationalism, which teaches that the gifts of the Spirit ceased
I thought they believed some gifts have ceased.

They simply address how there are people who do not think God sees all that they do.

Huh? Could you elaborate please?
 
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Though one rise from the dead...they will not believe
I often wonder why people think one healing is less then another..
If youve ever been suffering in sickness
Or tormented by devils in anxities and depressions and suddenly been freed and healed.. You would Know one is not greater then another.each is relative to the individuals situation.

You're trying to change the subject. I'm merely saying that most charismatics admit these don't happen anymore. They are closet cessationist. They no longer believe in type of signs that are not duplicatable by magicians. They no longer believe in the type of tongues that are truly miraculous, and can't be faked.

Funny, only the gifts that can be faked, and not verified are practiced today. The rest, according to charismatic churches, have ceased. Why is that?

Can you name one miracle you've seen that is similar to those that happened at Pentecost?
 
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I thought they believed some gifts have ceased.



Huh? Could you elaborate please?


Some or all, either way, scripture does not teach that they would ever cease in this present age. As to what you asked me to elaborate on, I was referring to passages from the book of Ezekiel cited in the starting post of this thread which deal with a matter not related to the stated subject of cessationism.
 
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I was referring to passages from the book of Ezekiel cited in the starting post of this thread which deal with a matter not related to the stated subject of cessationism.
Thank you, im not sure why that wasnt clear to me before but it is now.
 
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Like I said, you are just denying.
Im lost as to what it is im denying lol
The topic is about the evils of cessationism..
And the scripture the op used displays how people had taken on the attitude that God no longer operated as he did in times past...that he had Ceased to do so.

Are you cessationist?
 
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I think it’s really telling that so many today focus more on gifts than they do on fruit.
I agree.. The gifts after all are given For the work...
But people treat them like fancy tools hanging in thier fancy workshop where nothing is ever produced.
 
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You're trying to change the subject. I'm merely saying that most charismatics admit these don't happen anymore. They are closet cessationist. They no longer believe in type of signs that are not duplicatable by magicians. They no longer believe in the type of tongues that are truly miraculous, and can't be faked.

Funny, only the gifts that can be faked, and not verified are practiced today. The rest, according to charismatic churches, have ceased. Why is that?

Can you name one miracle you've seen that is similar to those that happened at Pentecost?
You mean like one of the diverse" Kinds" of tongues where the speaker suddenly spoke in another persons language which they had never learned.. ?
Yes .. But you've predetermined a stance of unbelief ..yes?
Healings of tumors vanished... ..? Yes
I really dont adhere to sunday club attendees who live in the realms of theological theory with out practicing any of it and think the annointing is some mystical emotion that gives you fuzzy goose bumps gold dust and feathers living according to carnal feelings etc ..
The just will live by faith.
Because they believe ,they take action and go out obediently to Do Gods word. Thats true faith..it is the action one takes based upon what they truly believe.

Forsaking Sin and avoiding even the appearance of sin they Go out and obey JESUS..
Those who dont wonder why they never see the power of God to heal and transform a life set free from the lies of Sin.
They are just decieved Jesus said.
Being hearers but not Doers of the word.
 
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Yes because we will all be with the lord
The gifts are for the edifying of the body here now on earth...
And that certainty has not ceased yet.
Why would Paul say they will cease, if they will cease anyway with everything else at the end of the world?
 
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A serious charge... Serious so very very serious.

Many do not realize that when a person is baptised in the holy spirit they will do as scripture says and speak from the abundance of the heart...("from the abunance of the heart the mouth speaks ")
Since thier heart is being abundantly filled with the holy Spirit ,it will flow out of thier mouths in praise to God... This is the initial evidence (not all inclusivly)
Later they recieve the attribute (gift) of tongues ,either by grace or they Ask God for it and know they shall have what so ever they ask. Gods word is always true.

Then .once people have that, they can speak in tongues anytime.
But they are supposed to exercise self control and do so in humility and by the unction of the Holy spirit in them as He stirs them...
And limit it around people that do not yet comprehend such things.
And there in lays the problem.
People using the ability to speak in tongues publicly ..from the flesh.
This has led to much incredulism from outside the faith.
Sadly some have put faith in that incredulism rather then discern that just because many misuse the gift outside the unction of the Holy spirit and for wrong motives
Does NOT make the things of the holy spirit fake.
It just means that person needs guidence and admonishment on the topic.

Do not ever Ever Judge the things of Gods Holy Spirit based upon the misguided actions of man
You need to study history on this matter. News papers of the day that reported on Azusa st. and the goings on there. The fruit of the early years is a dead giveaway.
 
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