The Democrat's big lie

[BCP1928]

That's kind of funny. Democrats are coalescing around Harris because they are running out of time. They don't have time for dissent in the party. I'm sure the powers-that-be have made that clear. It's not time to consider options. It's time to rally around the chosen one. Time to comply.

Seems like a good plan, under the circumstances.

 

[probinson]

Seems like a good plan, under the circumstances.

Right. So the argument that the delegates aren't "required" to vote for Harris is disingenuous. They may not be "required" to vote for Harris, but they are REQUIRED to vote for Harris, ifyaknowhatimean.

 

[Always in His Presence]

On what do you base this claim? Biden's delegates aren't required to vote for her.

I base it on reading. Question: yes or no - will there be an open convention.

Please provide link

 

[BCP1928]

Right. So the argument that the delegates aren't "required" to vote for Harris is disingenuous. They may not be "required" to vote for Harris, but they are REQUIRED to vote for Harris, ifyaknowhatimean.

Right. They would be shooting themselves in the foot, else. Harris is an acceptable candidate and the last thing the Democrats need is a contentious convention, especially when it is well within the realm of possibility that Harris will actually be President by November.

 

[mark46]

If you say so. Meanwhile, Biden's poor mental acuity was on full display on the national debate stage and the Democrats couldn't dump him fast enough. I can promise you that decline didn't happen overnight.

Sour grapes.

I agree that Biden should have gotten out, not in January of 2024, but in July of 2023. Yes, Biden and his staff lied about his physical condition, one of the biggest coerups in political history (but NOT in any way illegal).

All those who care enough to prefer Trump's lies will vote for Trump. Others may stay home. The other 85% of Democrats and probably a solid majority of independents will simply celebrate the fact that one the parties listened and dumped their 80 year old candidate.

Age is still an issue. Trump is the oldest candidate in the history of the US, and many, many voters (especially those under 35) prefer not to have someone in their 80's leading the country.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I base it on reading. Question: yes or no - will there be an open convention.

Not to my knowledge, no.

It seemd that you're assuming that an open convention is the only way for these delegates to exercise free will. Perhaps they all wish to nominate Harris in the absence of both Biden and viable challengers.

 

[mark46]

I base it on reading. Question: yes or no - will there be an open convention.

Please provide link

Just as before, the delegates will vote in a roll call vote. Anyone can be nominated and seconded before the vote. The only ones who could do are delegates. That vote will take place in the first week of August.

For the last 50 years, the candidate has had control of a majority of delegates before the convention.
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I understand that Republicans want to force delegates to vote for Biden and keep him on the ticket. That's just not the way party rules work. A candidate has the right to drop out and release his or her delegates.

The reality is that nothing would be accomplished if the delegates waited. I suppose that they COULD take the vote again at the convention. It probably wouldn't take much to make that happen. Of course, nothing would change. Harris already has commitments from a majority of delegates.

 

[probinson]

I agree that Biden should have gotten out, not in January of 2024, but in July of 2023. Yes, Biden and his staff lied about his physical condition, one of the biggest coerups in political history (but NOT in any way illegal).

All those who care enough to prefer Trump's lies will vote for Trump. Others may stay home. The other 85% of Democrats and probably a solid majority of independents will simply celebrate the fact that one the parties listened and dumped their 80 year old candidate.

I think you underestimate just how much independents despise being gaslit. By your own admission this has been "one of the biggest coverups in political history". That will absolutely factor into people's voting. Heck, just 9 days ago, Biden loudly proclaimed "I am running, and we're gonna win!"


Whoever wins the independents will win. Also, recent polls show that never-Trump Republicans are more likely to vote for Trump when Harris is the candidate vs. Biden. So there are still plenty of unknowns.

 

[wing2000]

I understand that Republicans want to force delegates to vote for Biden and keep him on the ticket.

...because they are afraid Trump cannot beat Harris.

That was apparent Sunday night....going into Monday.

Trump whining about all the lost campaign money he used on Biden.
Stephen Miller hysterically screeching on Fox News..

 

[Vambram]

...because they are afraid Trump cannot beat Harris.

That was apparent Sunday night....going into Monday.

Trump whining about all the lost campaign money he used on Biden.
Stephen Miller hysterically screeching on Fox News..

I am not surprised that a never-Trumper interpreted what he saw there to be fear from Republicans.

 

[BCP1928]

Sour grapes.

I agree that Biden should have gotten out, not in January of 2024, but in July of 2023. Yes, Biden and his staff lied about his physical condition, one of the biggest coerups in political history (but NOT in any way illegal).

I think Woodrow Wilson was a worse case, and Roosevelt ran for a fourth term knowing that he would not live through it.

All those who care enough to prefer Trump's lies will vote for Trump. Others may stay home. The other 85% of Democrats and probably a solid majority of independents will simply celebrate the fact that one the parties listened and dumped their 80 year old candidate.

Age is still an issue. Trump is the oldest candidate in the history of the US, and many, many voters (especially those under 35) prefer not to have someone in their 80's leading the country.

 

[wing2000]

I am not surprised that a never-Trumper interpreted what he saw there to be fear from Republicans.

Trump is afraid. Why else would he be complaining about not having Biden as an opponent?

 

[probinson]

I am not surprised that a never-Trumper interpreted what he saw there to be fear from Republicans.

I haven't been this surprised since I discovered Biden's mental decline for the very first time ever during the June debate!

 

[Always in His Presence]

It seemd that you're assuming that an open convention is the only way for these delegates to exercise free will. Perhaps they all wish to nominate Harris in the absence of both Biden and viable challengers.

I am completely open to any link you might have to show otherwise.

 

[Vambram]

Trump is afraid. Why else would he be complaining about not having Biden as an opponent?

Trump is NOT really complaining. I can tell by his facial expressions and his tone of voice.

 

[Always in His Presence]

For the last 50 years, the candidate has had control of a majority of delegates before the convention.

Correct -right after the candidate won primaries - that would be democracy in action.

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I understand that Republicans want to force delegates to vote for Biden and keep him on the ticket. That's just not the way party rules work. A candidate has the right to drop out and release his or her delegates.

None that I know of - most Republicans that I've read after do not want delegate to keep Biden on the ticket - they want Democracy to be followed and have an open convention without any pledged to a person because she was the next in line.

 

[wing2000]

Trump is NOT really complaining. I can tell by his facial expressions and his tone of voice.

...on Truth Social

Trump posted 10 times on Truth Social between when Biden dropped out and Monday morning, complaining it was unfair to the Republican Party to have to face a new opponent and suggesting Biden should not be able to remain on as president if he can’t run for reelection.

“The Democrats pick a candidate, Crooked Joe Biden, he loses the Debate badly, then panics, and makes mistake after mistake, is told he can’t win, and decide they will pick another candidate, probably Harris,” Trump posted Monday. “They stole the race from Biden after he won it in the primaries — A First! These people are the real THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4785639-trump-biden-reelection-tirade/

**They - meaning all of us who called for Biden to leave the race : )

 

[Always in His Presence]

Trump is afraid. Why else would he be complaining about not having Biden as an opponent?

Afraid of this?

Kamala is well know for her word salads....

 

[BCP1928]

Correct -right after the candidate won primaries - that would be democracy in action.


None that I know of - most Republicans that I've read after do not want delegate to keep Biden on the ticket - they want Democracy to be followed and have an open convention without any pledged to a person because she was the next in line.

Since you are in a position to dictate to Democrats how they carry out the process, who do you suggest be introduced to the convention as alternatives to Harris?

 

[Vambram]

...on Truth Social

Trump posted 10 times on Truth Social between when Biden dropped out and Monday morning, complaining it was unfair to the Republican Party to have to face a new opponent and suggesting Biden should not be able to remain on as president if he can’t run for reelection.

“The Democrats pick a candidate, Crooked Joe Biden, he loses the Debate badly, then panics, and makes mistake after mistake, is told he can’t win, and decide they will pick another candidate, probably Harris,” Trump posted Monday. “They stole the race from Biden after he won it in the primaries — A First! These people are the real THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4785639-trump-biden-reelection-tirade/

**They - meaning all of us who called for Biden to leave the race : )

That is an opinion analysis from thehill.com
I disagree with that opinion and that analysis.