The Democrat's big lie

[probinson]

No, he didn't publicize that concern. Frankly, I'd think it rather distasteful on his part if he'd just, say, gone on Twitter and started ragging about Biden publicly.

You don't think it's relevant to the American people that the people closest to Biden are "startled" that he's "disoriented"?

I'm aware. And I still don't think that video clip was conclusive.

We'll have to agree to disagree here.

You can? How?

You think that mental decline of that magnitude happens all at once? There aren't concerning signs leading up to it? Of course there were plenty of signs, all of which that were either ignored and/or downplayed by his administration, the media and his supporters.

 

[chevyontheriver]

If what you say is true that he is "unwell", why isn't he stepping down?

Simple. His minders have not yet decided to have him step down. Nobody close enough to him has called in an impartial doctor to do a fitness for duty exam on him. Until that happens the 25th Amendment has not been invoked so he’s the named president. You and I have no standing to invoke the 25th amendment.

 

[probinson]

Simple. His minders have not yet decided to have him step down. Nobody close enough to him has called in an impartial doctor to do a fitness for duty exam on him. Until that happens the 25th Amendment has not been invoked so he’s the named president. You and I have no standing to invoke the 25th amendment.

Not only have they not called for an independent evaluation of the President, they've tried to convince us that one is not necessary. I suspect they fear the results of an objective, independent evaluation.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Not only have they not called for an independent evaluation of the President, they've tried to convince us that one is not necessary. I suspect they fear the results of an objective, independent evaluation.

Whatever. You and I have no standing to get an independent evaluation of Joe Biden done. Even if he needs one big time. He’s sharp as a tack according to talking points operative until yesterday. That was the emperor’s clothes until yesterday.

Maybe they will do an exam soon and Kamala will be sworn in. Or not.

 

[zelosravioli]

Its one thing to disagree with a bus driver over abortion rights, and its one thing to disagree with a bus driver over where hes driving the bus, but ignoring and making excuses for a bus driver that is obviously in a terrible cognitive decline is pure lunacy and practically evil since every single American is on this stupid bus.

That Democrats were willing to let the ruse continue - right up till yesterday - and they were obviously willing to 'continue' to keep this facade going if the leftwing media hadnt caved and given up on the ruse. Karine jean was obviously dying inside as the leftist press were no longer accepting her dismissive answers to the ruse.

Remember the hyper need for a mental evaluation of Donald trump?? Yet the left completely sticks their head in the sand when it comes to their own Sleepy Joe. Remember the OH yikes Trump will never step down from office!! Hysterical cries from the Left, yet for months the Left ignores Joe Bidens obvious serious decline and Joe Bidens own arrogant refusal to step down and admit he is not capable of the job.

Remember yourselves complaining about Trumps arrogance, which may be justified, but then the Left completely ignore their own candidates hyper arrogant self importance - that is Joe Bidens hyper over estimation of himself, his conscious denial of his own mental and physical decline, and the arrogance to think he was up to a 40 hour work week and capable of making cognitive nuclear decisions as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.

Remember alot of us in the middle, Independents, who arent all that happy about Trump, certainly saw the cognitive and physical decline of Joe Biden before he was elected. And Im happy to point out the problems of any politician, Trump included, but the Lefts hypocrisy about everything is hyper exhausting, and enough to make people look 'anywhere' but to Democrats for any truth.

 

[durangodawood]

....but then the Left completely ignore their own candidates hyper arrogant self importance - that is Joe Bidens hyper over estimation of himself.....

I dont deny it. His "only I am qualified..." attitude toward the moment kinda made me sick. Glad to see him go. Thank you for your service! (If only that service included sticking to his one term pledge in the first place.)

Hopefully Harris prevails now, assuming its her.

 

[probinson]

Remember alot of us in the middle, Independents, who arent all that happy about Trump, certainly saw the cognitive and physical decline of Joe Biden. And Im happy to point out the problems of any politician, Trump included, but the Lefts hypocrisy about everything is hyper exhausting, and enough to make look 'anywhere' but to Democrats for any truth.

Spot on. The Democrats tried to play everyone off as suckers by pretending that Biden was sharp as ever and the only one capable of beating Trump. That's not going to play well with anyone not already fully subsumed in the Democratic tribe.

 

[KCfromNC]

This is a a tortured comparison. The delegates could not have picked Trump because he would be dead.

Not different in any practical way from picking a candidate who isn't going to run.

Certainly an inconvenient comparison though, given it points out the obvious holes in the assertions in the OP.

 

[probinson]

Not different in any practical way from picking a candidate who isn't going to run.

There is a massive different between someone not being able to be picked BECAUSE THEY'RE DEAD vs. someone deciding they're dropping out in the middle of the game because they're losing.

 

[chevyontheriver]

There is a massive different between someone not being able to be picked BECAUSE THEY'RE DEAD vs. someone deciding they're dropping out in the middle of the game because they're losing.

There is a minor difference between someone not being able to be picked BECAUSE THEY'RE DEAD vs someone not being able to be picked because they have no longer got the mental capacity for the job. In neither case is an adequately functioning brain present, which is, or should be, a requirement for the job.

By the way, has Biden even been seen since his announcement?

 

[durangodawood]

There is a massive different between someone not being able to be picked BECAUSE THEY'RE DEAD vs. someone deciding they're dropping out in the middle of the game because they're losing.

Not because they are losing.

I mean everybody, right and left, has been saying hes unfit for another 4 year term. Thats beyond questions of winning and losing.

 

[probinson]

There is a minor difference between someone not being able to be picked BECAUSE THEY'RE DEAD vs someone not being able to be picked because they have no longer got the mental capacity for the job.

Democrats aren't saying that Biden doesn't have the mental capacity for the job. They're simply replacing him "for the good of the party".

By the way, has Biden even been seen since his announcement?

Biden hasn't been seen on camera since last Wednesday. The fact that Biden made the most consequential announcement of his political career and this election cycle via a PDF that was not on presidential letterhead posted on X with a digital signature is... odd. But we must pretend this is all normal. It's all normal. Just repeat it over and over again. It's. All. Normal.

 

[probinson]

Not because they are losing.

Sure it is. Read the reports. Obama finally told Biden that his path to victory was gone. This is all about their inability to win with Biden. If they thought he could win, he'd still be running.

I mean everybody, right and left, has been saying hes unfit for another 4 year term. Thats beyond questions of winning and losing.

The Democrats had to walk a tightrope here. Nothing in Biden's announcement stated that he wasn't running because he's unfit for another term. To make such an admission would surely prompt a myriad of calls for the 25th amendment. No, Biden's letter said he was dropping out of the race for the good of his party.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Democrats aren't saying that Biden doesn't have the mental capacity for the job. They're simply replacing him "for the good of the party".

MANY of them DID say Biden didn't have the mental capacity.

Biden hasn't been seen on camera since last Wednesday. The fact that Biden made the most consequential announcement of his political career and this election cycle via a PDF that was not on presidential letterhead posted on X with a digital signature is... odd. But we must pretend this is all normal. It's all normal. Just repeat it over and over again. It's. All. Normal.

I wonder if his minders decided for him and he disagreed?

 

[probinson]

MANY of them DID say Biden didn't have the mental capacity.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but can you point me to quotes where any Democrat said that Biden did not have the mental capacity for a second term?

I wonder if his minders decided for him and he disagreed?

Careful. You're drifting into conspiracy land....

 

[durangodawood]

Sure it is. Read the reports. Obama finally told Biden that his path to victory was gone. This is all about their inability to win with Biden. If they thought he could win, he'd still be running.

The Democrats had to walk a tightrope here. Nothing in Biden's announcement stated that he wasn't running because he's unfit for another term. To make such an admission would surely prompt a myriad of calls for the 25th amendment. No, Biden's letter said he was dropping out of the race for the good of his party.

This is true. We have evidence that he cant campaign and speak off the cuff. His judgement may or may not be sound. I get the sense its ok, but I dont know this for sure.

As for the good of the party, most of the D voters prefer him out, and that what they are getting. Thats as small d democratic as we'll get this late in the game, and I think they know that and are ok with making the best of a bad situation..

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

"big lie that Biden..."

You appropriated the term "Big Lie" to what? Compare to the real BIG LIE of Trump and the "stolen election"?
Using the same words does not water down the gravity of the real BIG LIE that GOP has owned as its reality.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Sure it is. Read the reports. Obama finally told Biden that his path to victory was gone. This is all about their inability to win with Biden. If they thought he could win, he'd still be running.

He can't win because he lost his marbles.

The Democrats had to walk a tightrope here. Nothing in Biden's announcement stated that he wasn't running because he's unfit for another term. To make such an admission would surely prompt a myriad of calls for the 25th amendment. No, Biden's letter said he was dropping out of the race for the good of his party.

He, or his minders, were convinced or coerced that he should drop out. Probably some sort of deal that will eventually result in a pardon for Joe and Jill and Hunter, but who knows. They don't have to give an accurate reason for why he dropped out, just to say that he did drop out. His dropping out is for his own good, for his family's good, for his party's good (maybe), and for the good of the country (and maybe the world).

 

[chevyontheriver]

You appropriated the term "Big Lie" to what? Compare to the real BIG LIE of Trump and the "stolen election"?
Using the same words does not water down the gravity of the real BIG LIE that GOP has owned as its reality.

There are some big liars doing lots of lying. Your whataboutism is noted.

It's quite a big lie to say that the man acting as president is 'sharp as a tack' when he's off in La La Land.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but can you point me to quotes where any Democrat said that Biden did not have the mental capacity for a second term?

They wouldn't exactly want to SAY that even if they knew it to be true. Those people who proclaimed the emperor's fine threads, once they realize and admit to themselves that the emperor was indeed nekkid, may still not want to verbalize their whole error.

Careful. You're drifting into conspiracy land....

I'm free to do that.