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The Demise of Evolution

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by lasthero, Dec 15, 2019.

  1. Tinker Grey

    Tinker Grey Wanderer Supporter

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    To spin is to lie.
     
  2. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Some things are what they appear to be. The end product of "evolution" appears to be purposefully designed things.
     
  3. Speedwell

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    That dog won't hunt. Too many evolutionists believe in God for that to make sense and too many creationists reject ID. No, ID is just bad science and bad theology.
     
  4. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Then I take it back.
     
  5. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    When I peruse anatomy books I see complex, elegant, purposeful design. I can't 'unsee' that. And although evolution is mentioned here and there they aren't riddled with evolutionary theory. One can focus on the organisms alone and draw unbiased conclusions.
     
  6. Speedwell

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    Complex and elegant I can understand. But how do you see purpose? What does it look like?
     
  7. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    I believe everything was designed, even rocks.
     
  8. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    What it does is it's purpose.
     
  9. Kylie

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    Then the term "designed" becomes meaningless, doesn't it?
     
  10. pitabread

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    That's because it's an emotional response.

    It's similar to watching a movie or reading a book and having a positive emotional response to it. You can't "unfeel" that.

    However, it's not something which is objectively demonstrable. You can't make someone else objectively enjoy something if they don't have the same emotional reaction.

    Just like your claims that you see "complex, elegant, purposeful design" by reading anatomy books isn't objectively demonstrable. If someone else doesn't see the same design, they aren't going to think that biological organisms have that complex, elegant, or purposeful design.

    (And let's be honest here, if life really were deliberately designed, there are a lot of questionable design choices. :p)

    What you are suggesting is the opposite of unbiased. In fact, it sounds like the perfect example of confirmation bias.
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2020
  11. driewerf

    driewerf a day at the Zoo

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    Correct. But you need to investigate for finding this out;
    Rightly so. And this is in direct contradiction with what you wrote earlier:
    Since the end products of evolution gives the appearance of design, design isn't obvious. You'll need to test this somehow.
     
  12. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Rocks have design.
     
  13. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    There's nothing especially emotional about studying anatomy books.
     
  14. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Note that evolution was in quotes.

    Design is often comprehensive, like the ability of a turtle to right itself through the most unnatural and awkward movements. Most organisms are able to gesticulate in ways unnecessary to normal functioning, including motions that may never be used. I don't think evolutionary development is that comprehensive.
     
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  15. pitabread

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    You've previously told us that you just go with gut feel on this stuff. Similarly you've appealed to "obviousness" in lieu of objective analysis when it comes to concluding design.

    These are examples of emotional responses/arguments.
     
  16. Warden_of_the_Storm

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    Yeah, we gathered that. You enjoy just being flippant, don't you?
     
  17. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    It was an in-kind response to an equally flippant post.
     
  18. Warden_of_the_Storm

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    In what way and how do rocks have design?
     
  19. Warden_of_the_Storm

    Warden_of_the_Storm Well-Known Member

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    Except his post wasn't flippant. Yours most definitely. His post was accurate too, in a very literal and technical way.
     
  20. OldWiseGuy

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    It's just the way I see it. No need for psychoanalysis.
     
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