The condemnation of Bibliomancy and or seeking an answer by randomly pointing within His Word.

[Albion]

I am talking about the occult. I am saying that those in the occult use their religious books to do the same thing. It is a practice that is recognized in the occult and not a practice we see in the Scriptures.

But now we are talking only about the rightness or wrongness of a practice that you have created in your own mind...and then challenged us to disprove it.

First, you insist that when it is done it's occultic or at least that it's the same as what's done by some unidentified people who are said to be into the occult.

Then second, you insist that when it is done, the mechanics of it force God ("strong arm" God, you said several times) into complying. You even mistranslated "Bibliomancy" in order to have it fit with your concept.

And you of course have declined to provide any evidence of your claims, despite several requests.

Given the above, there is nothing to discuss.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I did it for a day. I know others partake of this method, as well. Again, why would they invent a term for something that people do not do? It makes no sense.

In some places they eat monkeys. So what? I'm not going to make a thread about that.

 

[Ricky M]

I am talking about the occult. I am saying that those in the occult use their religious books to do the same thing. It is a practice that is recognized in the occult and not a practice we see in the Scriptures.

Do satanists have something like our communion? Well I guess we better not take communion anymore then. Do heathens get on their knees and pray to false gods? Well then I guess we best not get on our knees and pray to our God then. And again, you're not going to find the exact practice in scripture, because, and this is important, scripture wasn't around at the time. Jesus said we would do everything he did, and even more. So where's the leeway for even more come in? Just like attributing Bonafide acts of the Holy Spirit through the gifts to Satan, attributing every incidence of this one to the occult is equally dangerous. Discernment. That's what it takes. Not outright dismissal.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The definition of divination (of which Bibliomancy is one version) is absent any reference to "strong arming" God or "forcing" Him to respond in any way.

(separate question) re "test Me" >> is this at all like trying to persuade God, to "force" or to "get Him" to DO what He Says, in this Scripture? >>
The Only Time God Says, "Test Me" · First Baptist Dallas

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Nov 17, 2017 - “Test Me now in this,” says the Lord of hosts, “if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows.”. ... This is the only verse in the Bible when God says, “Test Me.” Every other place in the Bible says do not test God, do not put ...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Do satanists have something like our communion? Well I guess we better not take communion anymore then. Do heathens get on their knees and pray to false gods? Well then I guess we best not get on our knees and pray to our God then. And again, you're not going to find the exact practice in scripture, because, and this is important, scripture wasn't around at the time. Jesus said we would do everything he did, and even more. So where's the leeway for even more come in? Just like attributing Bonafide acts of the Holy Spirit through the gifts to Satan, attributing every incidence of this one to the occult is equally dangerous. Discernment. That's what it takes. Not outright dismissal.

The problem is that if we do not follow what the Bible says in regards to spiritual matters, then we can pretty much make up our own form of worship, and prayer. That is what Bibliomancy does. It sets up a form of prayer that is not biblical, and it is only seen in the occult. You are saying that there are things in the Bible, that even occultists may do like prayer, etc.; But we see examples of prayer in the Bible, so that is a valid and biblical practice. Bibliomancy is not a biblical practice.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So WHY then 'glorify' "Bibliomancy" with such a long thread, or with a thread at all ?

Don't even think on such things as are not good in fellowship, right ?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

In some places they eat monkeys. So what? I'm not going to make a thread about that.

Eating monkeys is not a spiritual danger. I believe Bibliomancy is a spiritual danger and can lead to all sorts of problems. Not only is the practice of Bibliomancy unbiblical in the fact that it violates 2 Peter 1:20, and other verses, but it makes the Bible all about us instead of us glorifying God, and in waiting upon the Lord.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So WHY then 'glorify' "Bibliomancy" with such a long thread, or with a thread at all ?

Don't even think on such things as are not good in fellowship, right ?

*Sigh* Have you never created a thread before that attempts to expose some kind of error or spiritual danger? Have you never agreed to a thread that attempts to warn against some kind of error or spiritual danger? If so, does that mean you were glorifying that error by speaking against it? No. Of course not. My exposing the error of Bibliomancy is no different.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

But now we are talking only about the rightness or wrongness of a practice that you have created in your own mind...and then challenged us to disprove it.

First, you insist that when it is done it's occultic or at least that it's the same as what's done by some unidentified people who are said to be into the occult.

Then second, you insist that when it is done, the mechanics of it force God ("strong arm" God, you said several times) into complying. You even mistranslated "Bibliomancy" in order to have it fit with your concept.

And you of course have declined to provide any evidence of your claims, despite several requests.

Given the above, there is nothing to discuss.

First, look up the definition of the word "divination" in several dictionaries. You will see that it also mentions that it is to gain secret knowledge and not just foretelling the future. If you don't want to believe the definition for certain dictionaries, that is your choice.

Second, it is not my opinion that Bibliomancy is an unbiblical practice. Such a practice will in time violate 2 Peter 1:20. A person who practices Bibliomancy will in time randomly turn to a prophetic passage or verse as their answer, and they will of course seek it out as a private answer or interpretation for themselves. But 2 Peter 1:20 says that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation. This is not to say that we cannot seek out the Bible on a life problem we are having, but it is done with researching the topic with thought, and care and not by some random roll of the dice whereby one is attempting to take the verse or passage out of context to fit their life situation or problem.

In other words, I believe it is having a low regard for what the Scriptures actually say because one is attempting to make them say what they want it to say to fit their life situation or problem by a simple roll of the dice or random flip of the page. The Bible does not cater to our needs, the Bible is about us conforming to what it says.

 

[Albion]

First, look up the definition of the word "divination" in several dictionaries.

Did that...and passed it on to you.

Let's not start 'round the same mulberry bush once again.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Did that...and passed it on to you.

Let's not start 'round the same mulberry bush once again.

Definitions of divination:

1: the art or practice that seeks to foresee or foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge usually by the interpretation of omens or by the aid of supernatural powers.
2: unusual insight : intuitive perception.

Source:
Definition of DIVINATION

Here is another definition:

successful conjecture by unusual insight or good luck.

Source:
divination - Dictionary Definition

Here is another definition:

the practice of attempting to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge by occult or supernatural means.

Source:
Definition of divination | Dictionary.com

 

[Aussie Pete]

I recently encountered Bibliomancy and or randomly opening and pointing to a point within the Bible so as to get an answer from God. This to me was something new to me that I did not really know about before. I did not know that this was an occult practice or a practice used in the occult. When I started to partake of this method for just one day via by learning about it, God warned me by using life circumstances and with Him silently bringing up His Word to me. I encountered smoke and fire two times within a span of two days. The second time the fire happened in another place and by another method, I was thinking of the first fire. I decided to seek what that meant in the Scriptures, and God just talked to my heart.... "danger." Then a verse came up in my mind. It was 2 Peter 1:20. Peter says in 2 Peter 1:20, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." Earlier that day, I prayed and asked for an answer from God, and I landed in Revelation. Revelation is clearly prophetic. Yet, I was using it for private interpretation by wanting an answer on a life situation. Clearly this was wrong, and at the time I did not realize it was until I researched more about this kind of thing.

Anyways, I now know Bibliomancy or randomly opening the Bible to get an answer from GOD is wrong. We should not try to force an answer out of GOD. God will answer in His timing and way. For He is GOD, and not us. So Bibliomancy and all its forms should be condemned practice. Nowhere do we see God's people partake of this method in desiring an answer from the Lord.

Agree wholeheartedly. The other technique is the "promise box". Just pull out a verse at random and believe it is from God. Someone showed me how ridiculous this is. He gave the example of a random verse, "And he went and hanged himself", referring to Judas. The story goes that the verse was unacceptable (wonder why) so the individual tries again. The next verse was "go thou and do likewise".

 

[Aussie Pete]

Why have you added "force" to this subject when it is not part of it? And as for there being no Biblical basis for the practice, that doesn't prove that this is an occult practice.

If you use the practice for guidance, it is occult. If you do not use the practice for guidance, it is pointless.

 

[Albion]

Bible Highlighter,

I don't suppose you noticed that none of that squares with the definition you created.

 

[NBB]

did the disciples threw a 'dice' to decide who was the correct judas replacement? but they had faith, so this is not something very different to that? i don't know.

 

[Aussie Pete]

If I had a few hundred letters from my dad, in a drawer,
and randomly picked one out to enjoy a word or two from Him again,
that is encouraging,
not a sin.

It depends on your motivation. If it is to gain guidance, it is wrong. We have the indwelling Holy Spirit for that.

 

[AlexDTX]

I recently encountered Bibliomancy and or randomly opening and pointing to a point within the Bible so as to get an answer from God.

Another mistake some believers make is to use verses like magic spells, thinking that merely saying the verse has some kind of power in of itself.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Bible Highlighter,

I don't suppose you noticed that none of that squares with the definition you created.

Yes, it does. The word "divination" is more than just foretelling the future. The definition also includes it to say that it can refer to special secret knowledge, or unusual insight or intuitive perception. So if a man is desiring to take a new job, and they want to know if the job is the right choice to make in life (Which is a decision God can fully know or not, i.e. "unusual insight"), then that person can wrongfully seek an answer from GOD by randomly opening the Bible, and by randomly pointing to a verse or passage to get an answer. If the verse or passage sounds negative and sort of fits, he may stay away from taking the job. The problem is that the Scriptures he is pointing to are not even referring to career advice. He is making the Scriptures say what he wants them to say for his own personal life choice. The better alternative is to study God's Word on how Jesus and the disciples worked at jobs, and concern over meeting basic needs, and to to then pray to GOD and then wait upon the Lord if it is the right decision or not, and ask GOD to reveal in His way as to an answer. One is a forced answer, and the other is not.

 

[dqhall]

The problem is that if we do not follow what the Bible says in regards to spiritual matters, then we can pretty much make up our own form of worship, and prayer. That is what Bibliomancy does. It sets up a form of prayer that is not biblical, and it is only seen in the occult. You are saying that there are things in the Bible, that even occultists may do like prayer, etc.; But we see examples of prayer in the Bible, so that is a valid and biblical practice. Bibliomancy is not a biblical practice.

I have been able to get ideas by reading Gospel chapters and NT books. I learned some about sexual morality reading the Pentateuch, Sermon on the amount, or Paul’s letters.

Might not get educated by taking a word out of context.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I have been able to get ideas by reading Gospel chapters and NT books. I learned some about sexual morality reading the Pentateuch, Sermon on the amount, or Paul’s letters.

Might not get educated by taking a word out of context.

Studying God's Word (and gaining insight) is one thing, asking God something via by prayer, and then seeking an immediate forced answer by pointing randomly in the Bible is another thing.