The Book of Revelation

[Riberra]

Do you have a place in the New Jerusalem which is in heaven?

Since Jesus have ascended to Heaven the SOULS of the Believers who are dead goes to New Jerusalem in Heaven waiting [as in a state of sleep/sleep in Jesus for the resurrection.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-14
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also WHICH SLEEP IN JESUS will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

What? You don't think you are going to enter the thousand years in your incorruptible body?

Maybe he just does not believe he is a son of God, just as Jesus is Son of God.

 

[Douggg]

Since Jesus have ascended to Heaven the SOULS of the Believers who are dead goes to New Jerusalem in Heaven waiting [as in a state of sleep/sleep in Jesus for the resurrection.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-14
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also WHICH SLEEP IN JESUS will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first

It is their souls that God brings with him. To be reunited with there sleeping bodies (called sleeping because they are not eternally destroyed) presently in the graves.

The souls of the living are already united with their body, but the body has to be changed incorruptible.

Lazarus and the rich man, after deaths of their bodies, were not sleeping, but were aware of their surroundings.

Because we are currently united soul and body, and it is all that we know ourselves as - it is likely impossible for us to know what is soul and what is body in our reality. We have to rely on God to tell us about ourselves.

 

[Riberra]

Maybe he just does not believe he is a son of God, just as Jesus is Son of God.

Revelation 20:4-6 tell us who are those who will enter the millennium in their immortal body.
Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw THE SOULS of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Riberra]

It is their souls that God brings with him. To be reunited with there sleeping bodies (called sleeping because they are not eternally destroyed) presently in the graves.

That is what i said....the SOULS of the believers goes to Heaven when we die untill the resurrection who will occur on the Earth.

When we die the body slowly return to dust in the grave...
The soul of the believers return to God in Heaven...and is placed by God in a state of REST as in SLEEP until the resurrection.

You don't believe that the SOULS of the believers goes to Heaven when we die?

BILLION of SOULS of believers who have died have ascended to Heaven....

 

[Riberra]

Maybe he just does not believe he is a son of God, just as Jesus is Son of God.

Jesus DIED -and after three days- was RESURRECTED...

You seem to believe that you will not DIE and be BURIED in a grave ?

Sounds like something familiar:
Genesis 3:4
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

And the pre-trib rapturist pastors said: ...those of you from this generation will not know death !

You are terribly affraid that one day you will die....that is why the idea of a rapture to Heaven at any moment -while you are alive- is SOO appealing for you !

I am not affraid to dying one day because i believe that like Jesus i will be resurrected.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-14
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 

[keras]

Why? Because Lord Jesus said He was going to prepare a place for us in Our Father's house Keras. Surly you have read this. Yes the scripture also tells us that we shall be changed, this mortal shall take on immortality. We will be like Lord Jesus upon our resurrection.

Sure, I understand John 14:1-2 very well. It refers to the New Jerusalem that will come down from heaven after the Millennium. Nowhere does that prophecy say that anyone will be taken to heaven. Heaven isn't even mentioned, so for rapture believers to use it as a proof for their false theory, is again; just a joke.
The instant changing of people described in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, is plainly to happen also after the Millennium. Making that to become a 'rapture to heaven of all Christians' is another wrong use of scripture to suit a fanciful notion.
We will live longer and better during the Mill, Isaiah 65:20-25, but death will still happen and only during Eternity, will death be no more. Revelation 21:4

 

[keras]

Since God came from heaven into this world and took on flesh, to be treated horribly, suffer, and die for us - then whatever it is that He did those things for us - MUST BE REALLY REALLY GOOD - and it is not in these current bodies we have. No Christians has experience the resurrected immortal body yet - so I say TRUST GOD that he knows what He is doing. There is a 100% certainty that the body you currently have is going to end.

Nice thought, but divorced from reality.
We will all die, but unless we are killed for our faith, Rev 20:4, we will have to wait until the Day we stand before the Great White Throne and pray that our name is Written in the Book of Life.
Read and understand what the Bible actually says, not what you think it does.

Think: what is the purpose for our existence? Is it to sit in heaven, or is it to do the work God would have us do on earth?
Millions of good Christians have died before now, what makes us special just because we are alive now? We all die, and then comes the judgement. Simple really.

 

[Douggg]

Nice thought, but divorced from reality.
We will all die, but unless we are killed for our faith, Rev 20:4, we will have to wait until the Day we stand before the Great White Throne and pray that our name is Written in the Book of Life.
Read and understand what the Bible actually says, not what you think it does.
Millions of good Christians have died before now, what makes us special just because we are alive now? We all die, and then comes the judgement. Simple really.

Happy to say you are wrong, not everyone with die - them who are alive, in Christ, at the time of the rapture with be changed from corruptible to incorruptible.

Think: what is the purpose for our existence? Is it to sit in heaven, or is it to do the work God would have us do on earth?

Our purpose is to know God.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Jesus DIED -and after three days- was RESURRECTED...

You seem to believe that you will not DIE and be BURIED in a grave ?

Sounds like something familiar:
Genesis 3:4
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

And the pre-trib rapturist pastors said: ...those of you from this generation will not know death !

You are terribly affraid that one day you will die....that is why the idea of a rapture to Heaven at any moment -while you are alive- is SOO appealing for you !

I am not affraid to dying one day because i believe that like Jesus i will be resurrected.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-14
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

You assume a lot brother. First, I never said that my body would not die . I believe what the Bible says about our resurrection. But I believe also what the Bible says about who I am in Christ. I am a bonafide, sanctified, redeemed, child of the Most High God with all of the rights and privileges granted to me by the shedding of Jesus' blood on the cross. I am already resurrected and seated in Christ in heavenly places. I am blood bought and adopted into the family of God and I am signed in the book of LIFE not death. I am sealed by the precious Holy Spirit. I can't help it if you cannot claim the same for yourself. But I will tell you this, If you cannot claim the same for yourself, you need to get it right, right now while there is still time. You must be born again.I said IF. I think you just do not know who you are. Your identity is in Christ, and as such you are a son of God. Why are you reluctant to say you are a son of God?

Death of this corrupted physical body is going to happen, either by natural means or by supernatural means at the rapture.Lord Jesus has conquered death Hell and the grave, so there is nothing to fear for the child of God. No brother, physical death does not scare me. I have eternal life.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Sure, I understand John 14:1-2 very well. It refers to the New Jerusalem that will come down from heaven after the Millennium. Nowhere does that prophecy say that anyone will be taken to heaven. Heaven isn't even mentioned, so for rapture believers to use it as a proof for their false theory, is again; just a joke.
The instant changing of people described in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, is plainly to happen also after the Millennium. Making that to become a 'rapture to heaven of all Christians' is another wrong use of scripture to suit a fanciful notion.
We will live longer and better during the Mill, Isaiah 65:20-25, but death will still happen and only during Eternity, will death be no more. Revelation 21:4

I know this is what you believe my dear elder brother.
And I know too that you will never change your belief, and that is OK. I love you anyway.

 

[Riberra]

You assume a lot brother. First, I never said that my body would not die . I believe what the Bible says about our resurrection. But I believe also what the Bible says about who I am in Christ. I am a bonafide, sanctified, redeemed, child of the Most High God with all of the rights and privileges granted to me by the shedding of Jesus' blood on the cross. I am already resurrected and seated in Christ in heavenly places. I am blood bought and adopted into the family of God and I am signed in the book of LIFE not death. I am sealed by the precious Holy Spirit. I can't help it if you cannot claim the same for yourself. But I will tell you this, If you cannot claim the same for yourself, you need to get it right, right now while there is still time. You must be born again.I said IF. I think you just do not know who you are. Your identity is in Christ, and as such you are a son of God. Why are you reluctant to say you are a son of God?

I am not reluctant to say that i am a son of God ...angels are also called sons of God.

The rewards for the true believers will be granted unto the Coming of Jesus NOT before.

There will be no rapture to Heaven before His Coming...

When Jesus will Come that will be to Establish His Kingdom on the Earth.

We have the promise that if we remain faithful until our death or until the Coming of Jesus for those that will live in the last generation, that we will be resurrected into an incorruptible immortal body...like Jesus.

The concept that one day you will go to play harp in Heaven is just a fantasy.

You seem reluctant to accept that after our resurrection /changing into immortality, we will live on the Earth with Jesus for eternity ...

Why the need to create a new Earth after the millennium [Revelation 21]if as you think we will go to live in Heaven...

Revelation 21:1-4
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I am not reluctant to say that i am a son of God ...angels are also called sons of God.

I know angels are called sons of God in the Bible, but you are not an angel, and you will never be an angel.
Jesus is the begotten Son of God. He is no angel. Born again believers are sons of God also, not angels. The Bible says we ARE NOW the sons of God. We are not waiting to become children of God, we already are. Get it right.

 

[Riberra]

I know angels are called sons of God in the Bible, but you are not an angel, and you will never be an angel.
Jesus is the begotten Son of God. He is no angel. Born again believers are sons of God also, not angels. The Bible says we ARE NOW the sons of God. We are not waiting to become children of God, we already are. Get it right.

I already get it right ....what does this have anything to do with your wishful thinking that you will become immortal before the Coming of Jesus in Glory ?
There is no taking up to Heaven after the Resurrection /changing into immortality [if you are still alive and remain] mentioned anywhere in the Bible...After the resurrection we will stay on the Earth with Jesus.

When Jesus will come that will be to establish His Kingdom on the Earth. We will meet Jesus in the CLOUDS in the AIR [for our protection]while He will clean the house [the Earth] during the Armageddon battle where the sinners [all those who have taken the Mark along with the armies of the World will be gathered Revelation 16:14-16]to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Revelation 16:14-16
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

what does this have anything to do with your wishful thinking that you will become immortal before the Coming of Jesus in Glory ?

Eternal life is what we receive when we are born again. Don't you believe this? We are not waiting for eternal life. We have it already.

 

[Riberra]

Eternal life is what we receive when we are born again. Don't you believe this? We are not waiting for eternal life. We have it already.

Have you tried to test your actual immortality....Lets suppose a big earthquake happen in the next minute will you go outside in hurry to avoid being crushed in a pile of rubble or you will just say Bah! no problem i am immortal ?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Have you tried to test your actual immortality....Lets suppose a big earthquake happen in the next minute will you go outside in hurry to avoid being crushed in a pile of rubble or you will just say Bah! no problem i am immortal ?

If my body dies today. It would be buried until resurrection day. But I live, unclothed, but living just the same.

 

[Riberra]

If my body dies today. It would be buried until resurrection day. But I live, unclothed, but living just the same.

Thus you are comfirming my point that you have not received an incorruptible immortal body YET !That will be a reward for those who overcome.
Revelation 21:7
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Thus you are comfirming my point that you have not received an incorruptible immortal body YET !That will be a reward for those who overcome.
Revelation 21:7
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

I have said this before, maybe you were not reading. Maybe something clouded your understanding of what I said. I am not my body for it is dead/corrupt. I am IN Jesus Christ and forever will be IN Him,and with Him. For I am a child of God just as He is the Son of God.

 

[Riberra]

I have said this before, maybe you were not reading. Maybe something clouded your understanding of what I said. I am not my body for it is dead/corrupt. I am IN Jesus Christ and forever will be IN Him,and with Him. For I am a child of God just as He is the Son of God.

That is not saying that you will be raptured BEFORE the Tribulation.

Have you read this:
Revelation 21:7
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

God say that you will have to OVERCOME not that you will be raptured .