The Book of Revelation

[dysert]

Maybe he just does not believe he is a son of God, just as Jesus is Son of God.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but this is a big enough deal for me to chime in. A man is not a son of God *just as* Jesus is Son of God. For one thing, Jesus IS God; we are not. Jesus has been around for eternity; we have not. Although called sons of God, we don't have the same type of sonship as Jesus has. We're not part of the Trinity.

 

[Riberra]

She really believe that she will be LIKE JESUS with the same attribute .That is the concept she and many other from the pre-trib rapturist church doctrine believes in.

Genesis 3:4
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: ....but you will be like God

I try painfully to make her understand that when we will receive
Immortality ... we will still be a creature part of the creation made by God and submitted to God.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but this is a big enough deal for me to chime in. A man is not a son of God *just as* Jesus is Son of God. For one thing, Jesus IS God; we are not. Jesus has been around for eternity; we have not. Although called sons of God, we don't have the same type of sonship as Jesus has. We're not part of the Trinity.

Do you agree with scripture that says we are branches IN the vine? Do you agree that the sap that runs in the vine is the same sap that runs in the branch? It's time for the sons of God to wake up. Take your place in this evil time.

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

King James Version (KJV)
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[Handmaid for Jesus]

Have you read this:
Revelation 21:7
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Yes. I have read that. He/she who is IN Jesus Christ has overcome for we abide IN Him.

 

[Riberra]

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

They all sleep in Jesus as we speak waiting for the resurrection ....

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

She really believe that she will be LIKE JESUS with the same attribute .That is the concept she and many other from the pre-trib rapturist church doctrine believes in.

Genesis 3:4
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: ....but you will be like God

I try painfully to make her understand that when we will receive
Immortality ... we will still be a creature part of the creation made by God and submitted to God.

So are you saying that the Word of God told a lie?



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[Handmaid for Jesus]

They all sleep in Jesus as we speak waiting for the resurrection ....

Who are they that you are referring to?

 

[Riberra]

So are you saying that the Word of God told a lie?

The resurrection will not give you the power of God....that is God who have the power to resurrect you or cast you into the lake of fire.

 

[Riberra]

Who are they that you are referring to?

The 12 apostles and the other believers who are now in the graves ...

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

The resurrection will not give you the power of God....that is God who have the power to resurrect you or cast you into the lake of fire.

You didn't answer my question. Did the Word of God lie?

 

[Riberra]

You didn't answer my question. Did the Word of God lie?

Can you show us the verses saying that after the resurrection we will be like God with the same powers that God have ?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Can you show us the verses saying that after the resurrection we will be like God with the same powers that God have ?

It is sad that people who have been redeemed do not even know what that means. Yes, I can show you scripture upon scripture. But you do not believe so you will not see.

Mark 4: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.KJV

Mark 4: 12so that,“‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!"”

2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

 

[Riberra]

It is sad that people who have been redeemed do not even know what that means. Yes, I can show you scripture upon scripture. But you do not believe so you will not see.

Mark 4: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.KJV

Mark 4: 12so that,“‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!"”

2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

God say that you will die and after that you will be judged...if you believe in Jesus and REPENT for your sins you will be saved at the day of the judgment.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

God say that you will die and after that you will be judged...if you believe in Jesus and REPENT for your sins you will be saved at the day of the judgment.

So you don't believe you are saved right now?

 

[Riberra]

So nyou don't believe you are saved right now?

Spiritually saved [My SOUL is saved],yes...but not resurrected in a immortal incorruptible body yet !

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Spiritually saved [My SOUL is saved],yes...but not resurrected in a immortal incorruptible body yet !

I hope your spirit is saved as well. The resurrection has not happened yet.OK, so if you are saved, You are IN Christ Jesus and He is IN you. You are one with Him. Do you believe this?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but this is a big enough deal for me to chime in. A man is not a son of God *just as* Jesus is Son of God.

We are His Body. Don't you know this?

 

[Riberra]

I hope your spirit is saved as well. The resurrection has not happened yet.OK, so if you are saved, You are IN Christ Jesus and He is IN you. You are one with Him. Do you believe this?

The believers have received the Holy Spirit, yes...
If your concept is that the Body of Christ represented by the Church will be taken to Heaven before the tribulation then you believe in a concept who is not teached by the Bible.

Being SAVED does not mean being taken to Heaven BEFORE THE TRIBULATION while you are still alive .

Being SAVED means that we will not be cast into the Lake Of Fire.

And by the way if you do not repent for your sins + believing in Jesus you are not saved.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

The believers have received the Holy Spirit, yes...
If your concept is that the Body of Christ represented by the Church will be taken to Heaven before the tribulation then you believe in a concept who is not teached by the Bible.

So you say. We disagree on the rapture.

 

[Riberra]

So you say. We disagree on the rapture.

In the pre-trib rapturist Churches the word rapture have replaced the word Resurrection teached by the Bible ....

-The rapture -THE CAUGHT UP- to meet Jesus in the clouds in the air UNTO HIS COMING is only a secondary event ....The primary event being the Coming of Jesus in the Clouds and the resurrection of the dead believers at the sound of the TRUMP....then we who will still be alive and remain UNTO the COMING of Jesus will be caught up together with them to meet Jesus in the CLOUDS in the Air while Jesus will destroy the sinners assembled at Armageddon.