The Book of Enoch?

[Jipsah]

I already explained to you that John Strugnell saw it. He said it was found in Qumran Cave 11 :

So?

 

[Jipsah]

I bet a box of donuts I don't. And there will be donuts in the resurrection, so you'll have to pay up.

Krispy Kreme? <Laugh>

 

[Jipsah]

Scripture means "writing", and the discussion about Enoch is that it is and has been,always. "Sacred writing".

Any writing containing as many glaring falsehoods as "Enoch" does isn't even vaguely "sacred".

It is canon in their Bible.

A shame they've taken a viper into their bosom like that.

I'm not Roman Catholic

<Simulated Gasp of Astonishment>

I do love true history, and do love Enoch because it lays the foundation of all Holy doctrines written by all the prophets who came after.

Even though it isn't true, and isn't history.

Moses had it, and read it. Hannah had it, and readit. Abraham had it, and taught from it. Job had it, and understood the passages on The Son of Man as his Kinsman Redeemer who was to come, and who would resurrect his flesh.

Says so right there on the dust jacket, huh?

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Yep. I couldn't agree more. "Magick" is a fraud perpetrated by the Master Liar his own self. But that doesn't prevent "Enoch" fans from blathering about "Enochian magick", does it? They regard "Enoch" as a key to manipulating spirits and making them do the mage's bidding. Practitioners of "Enochian magic" include such characters as the infamous Aleister Crowley. Bad company to be in, don'tcha reckon?

I think there are actually 2 different Enochs from my research and the one they are referring to is the evil one.

From:http://www.kirkcaldy-pathheadbaptist.co.uk/_pdf/Genesis 1-11/i. Enoch (Gen. 5.21-24).pdf

"There are two Enochs in the Bible. The first we meet in (Gen. 4:17-18) where he is the son of Cain for whom Cain built a city and named the city. The second is a different man altogether, and he is the subject of our study this evening. Jude tells us he was the seventh from Adam (Jude 14; cf. Gen. 5) - Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch.)"


Who was Enoch in the Bible?

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

So?

So, It Exists. That's the point.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

So, It Exists. That's the point.

There are pseudo Enoch's just as there are pseudo "gospels".
The things jipsah says are not in the Book of Enoch discussed here.
That has been pointed out to him in other times in not just this thread but in other threads.

 

[Man on Fire]

The following is a post in the blog linked in my signature. It is a theme or idea God has had me working on for a couple years now in terms of Prophecy and Spiritual Warfare. Rocksteady | Christian Forums


The Book of Enoch

The Book of Enoch is Apocrypha. I personally submit to standard Church doctrine on that. I have found that it is incomplete. The Book of Enoch does work with the Bible in certain places. This is Bible study.

Cyrus

Cyrus the Great is mentioned in The Bible 22 times. He is prophesied in Isaiah 45. The Hebrew people felt pretty good about him in The Bible.

Cyrus the Great had 10,000 Immortals. 10,000 Immortals like in The Book of Enoch.

And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of ⌈His⌉ holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy ⌈all⌉ the ungodly: (Enoch 1:9)

Enoch is mentioned in the Book of Jude.

Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones (Jude 1:14)

Nothing new happens under the sun. (Ecclesiastes 1:9-19)

Cowboys

Another part of the Book of Enoch I found profound is where he starts to compare men like Cattle or to animals. The Lord is a Shepherd. (Psalms 23) A Priest has a flock. Are you in The Fold?

Given men are cattle, then we have Cowboys instead of Shepherds, and a whole different understanding and perspective of life. Given you were to see the image of a Cow in various music videos, the allegory is that men are cattle as a sign of the times currently.

The Question: Working the Allegory of God or a Man of God being like a Cowboy, what other songs have I personally found or used?

In general, songs about a Rambling Man may work. Why?

Jesus replied, "Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."(Matthew 8:20)

The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.” (Matthew 11:19)

"Rambling Man" by Waylon Jennings could be looked at as a man in sin doing bad things. In terms of God and Psalms 118:22 someone could listen to it from a different perspective. From the perspective of a God filled follower of God. Someone should be careful with some of this, I can't say I have, but people may misinterpret it.


A lot of people like "The Highwayman" by Highwaymen and thought it was profound. Your Body is a Temple. Jesus Lives inside of you.

Other songs:

• Ghost Riders "The Outlaws.
  
• "Cowboys from Hell." Pantera For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light.(Ephesians 5:8)

Sing unto The Lord a New Song. (Isaiah 42:10)

• Song of Prophets and Cowboys. God is Hard.
• "American Outlaws." Whiskey Myers.

 

[SummaScriptura]

Because it is not apostolic, among other reasons.

Is the Book of the Song of Solomon apostolic?

 

[SummaScriptura]

Many Christians regard it as Scripture, but it was not included in the Hebrew Tanakh. The Lord limited the Scriptures to (1) the Law (5 books), (2) the Prophets (8 books), and (3) the Psalms (11 books). 24 books in the Hebrew canon.

Early Christian writers accepted the Book of Enoch. Only later, when Greek philosophical assumptions dominated did the Church cast it out!

 

[Micah888]

So it is "canon" in the Ethiopian orthodox church. There it is, and has been, since before the gospel of Christ came to Ethiopia.

This is true. There is nothing wrong with Christians reading and studying Enoch as long was we understand that it is not a part of the Hebrew canon. The Lord told us that the Hebrew canon is the same as our Old Testaments (many Hebrews books having been split in our canon). There is also no question that Jude -- BY DIVINE INSPIRATION -- quoted Enoch almost word-for-word.

Enoch 1:9 (translation by H. R. Charles)
And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

Jude 1:14,15 (KJV)
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying,

Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all,
and to convince all that are ungodly among them
of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed,
and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

 

[Kaon]

This is true. There is nothing wrong with Christians reading and studying Enoch as long was we understand that it is not a part of the Hebrew canon. The Lord told us that the Hebrew canon is the same as our Old Testaments (many Hebrews books having been split in our canon). There is also no question that Jude -- BY DIVINE INSPIRATION -- quoted Enoch almost word-for-word.

Enoch 1:9 (translation by H. R. Charles)
And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

Jude 1:14,15 (KJV)
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying,

Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all,
and to convince all that are ungodly among them
of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed,
and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Where did the Lord say the Hebrew canon is the same as the old testament?

 

[Micah888]

Where did the Lord say the Hebrew canon is the same as the old testament?

The Lord stated that He was revealed in (1) the Law, (2) the Prophets, and the (3) the Psalms. Those 24 books are the same as our Old Testament.

LUKE 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself...
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written [1] in the law of Moses, and [2] in the prophets, and [3] in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day...

This is a very significant portion of Scripture which is generally overlooked. We find here several terms used for the Old Testament (the Hebrew Tanakh):
the prophets
Moses and all the prophets
all the scriptures
in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms
the scriptures

What was the Lord speaking about?

THE LAW (TORAH -- 5 books)
Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Number
Deuteronomy

THE PROPHETS (NEVIIM OR NEBIIM -- 8 books)
Joshua
Judges
Samuel (1 book)
Kings (1 book)
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Ezekiel
The 12 Minor Prophets (1 book)
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi

THE PSALMS (KETUVIM OR KETHUBIM -- 11 books)
Psalms
Proverbs
Job
Song of Songs
Ruth
Lamentations
Ecclesiastes
Esther
Daniel
Ezra-Nehemiah (1 book)
Chronicles (1 book)

As you can see Enoch is not included.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

The Lord stated that He was revealed in (1) the Law, (2) the Prophets, and the (3) the Psalms. Those 24 books are the same as our Old Testament.

LUKE 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself...
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written [1] in the law of Moses, and [2] in the prophets, and [3] in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day...

This is a very significant portion of Scripture which is generally overlooked. We find here several terms used for the Old Testament (the Hebrew Tanakh):
the prophets
Moses and all the prophets
all the scriptures
in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms
the scriptures

What was the Lord speaking about?

THE LAW (TORAH -- 5 books)
Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Number
Deuteronomy

THE PROPHETS (NEVIIM OR NEBIIM -- 8 books)
Joshua
Judges
Samuel (1 book)
Kings (1 book)
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Ezekiel
The 12 Minor Prophets (1 book)
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi

THE PSALMS (KETUVIM OR KETHUBIM -- 11 books)
Psalms
Proverbs
Job
Song of Songs
Ruth
Lamentations
Ecclesiastes
Esther
Daniel
Ezra-Nehemiah (1 book)
Chronicles (1 book)

As you can see Enoch is not included.

Enoch was a prophet though. He was Probably the First Prophet in fact.

 

[Tayla]

Is the Book of the Song of Solomon apostolic?

I'm sorry, I was thinking of the New Testament. My bad.

 

[Micah888]

Enoch was a prophet though. He was Probably the First Prophet in fact.

Definitely. Indeed it is amazing that he prophesied of the Second Coming of Christ.

ZECHARIAH 12
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

2 THESSALONIANS 1
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels... 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

REVELATION 1
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

The saints and angels will appear as bright clouds surrounding Christ as He descends to earth "with power and great glory".

 

[Kaon]

The Lord stated that He was revealed in (1) the Law, (2) the Prophets, and the (3) the Psalms. Those 24 books are the same as our Old Testament.

LUKE 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself...
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written [1] in the law of Moses, and [2] in the prophets, and [3] in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day...

This is a very significant portion of Scripture which is generally overlooked. We find here several terms used for the Old Testament (the Hebrew Tanakh):
the prophets
Moses and all the prophets
all the scriptures
in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms
the scriptures

What was the Lord speaking about?

THE LAW (TORAH -- 5 books)
Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Number
Deuteronomy

THE PROPHETS (NEVIIM OR NEBIIM -- 8 books)
Joshua
Judges
Samuel (1 book)
Kings (1 book)
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Ezekiel
The 12 Minor Prophets (1 book)
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi

THE PSALMS (KETUVIM OR KETHUBIM -- 11 books)
Psalms
Proverbs
Job
Song of Songs
Ruth
Lamentations
Ecclesiastes
Esther
Daniel
Ezra-Nehemiah (1 book)
Chronicles (1 book)

As you can see Enoch is not included.

This doesn't show where Christ had anything to do with canonicity.

Where did Christ 1) choose which books are canon, 2) From which sources, 3) where did He list them. I am talking about Christ.

Or, did He say He is the Word of God who speaks on behalf of His Father's will, the Truth, the Way, and the Life?

 

[Micah888]

This doesn't show where Christ had anything to do with canonicity.

Of course it does. What are "all the Scriptures" for Christ? Does He not limit them to the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms?

The Bible is not a book of systematic theological and must be understood with the help of the Holy Spirit. Christ clearly established and limited the OT canon in that passage.

 

[Kaon]

Of course it does. What are "all the Scriptures" for Christ? Does He not limit them to the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms?

The Bible is not a book of systematic theological and must be understood with the help of the Holy Spirit. Christ clearly established and limited the OT canon in that passage.

All the scriptures are all the scriptures - not just the ones some other men deem important or inspired.

And, Christ is the Word of God Himself; No canon can rival His existence. Everything He says is the Word of God because He is the embodiment if the Word of God Himself.

A canon is not the Word of God; a canon is a canon. Where did Christ say anything positive about canonical text, and doctrine except if it directly prophesied His coming?

You have to be really careful who you let direct your spiritual trajectory. Christ warned about doctrine.

 

[Man on Fire]

The Lord stated that He was revealed in (1) the Law, (2) the Prophets, and the (3) the Psalms. Those 24 books are the same as our Old Testament.

LUKE 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself...
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written [1] in the law of Moses, and [2] in the prophets, and [3] in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day...

This is a very significant portion of Scripture which is generally overlooked. We find here several terms used for the Old Testament (the Hebrew Tanakh):
the prophets
Moses and all the prophets
all the scriptures
in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms
the scriptures

What was the Lord speaking about?

THE LAW (TORAH -- 5 books)
Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Number
Deuteronomy

THE PROPHETS (NEVIIM OR NEBIIM -- 8 books)
Joshua
Judges
Samuel (1 book)
Kings (1 book)
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Ezekiel
The 12 Minor Prophets (1 book)
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi

THE PSALMS (KETUVIM OR KETHUBIM -- 11 books)
Psalms
Proverbs
Job
Song of Songs
Ruth
Lamentations
Ecclesiastes
Esther
Daniel
Ezra-Nehemiah (1 book)
Chronicles (1 book)

As you can see Enoch is not included.

12 At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel,z“Sun, stand still at Gibeon,and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,until the nation took vengeance on their enemies.Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day. (Jashua 10:12-13)

The Book of Jasher should be in the Bible? It is mentioned? I read some of it. It reads more like Jewish folklore than The Word. What looks to what may have happened, is that some books were burnt, destroyed, lost, or hidden over various trials and persecutions Israel went through. The Book of Jashar should not be in the Bible because it reads kind of like someone worked to carefully put it back together from memory, but was not of The Spirit.

The Book of Enoch reads as "Not complete" or exaggerated at times; therefore, it is not in the Bible. That does not mean that there are not significant things in the Book of Enoch. Especially when there is a specific reference to Enoch in the Book of Jude. You may need a prophet to be able to tell you.


Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets. (Amos 3:7)

 

[Micah888]

All the scriptures are all the scriptures - not just the ones some other men deem important or inspired.

Let's stay focused on what Christ regarded as "all the Scriptures". At that time the Hebrew Bible (the Tanakh) was "all the Scriptures", and they consisted of 24 books.

And, Christ is the Word of God Himself; No canon can rival His existence.

That is not even the issue. The issue today is that Christians want to know exactly what is the biblical canon. And for the Old Testament, it is only those 39 books which we have in our Bibles.

Everything He says is the Word of God because He is the embodiment if the Word of God Himself.

And that is exactly why you should pay close attention to what He said in Luke 24, and BELIEVE IT.

A canon is not the Word of God; a canon is a canon.

This is where you are completely mistaken. For Bible-believing Christian the Bible canon is indeed the Word of God. All other writings cannot be thus regarded.

Where did Christ say anything positive about canonical text, and doctrine except if it directly prophesied His coming?

I have given you the Scriptures, so why don't you give them the attention they deserve. Christ called the Hebrew canon "all the Scriptures" and said that all of them spoke about Him.

You have to be really careful who you let direct your spiritual trajectory. Christ warned about doctrine.

Christ warned about FALSE DOCTRINE. And dismissing His words about the Old Testament would be false doctrine.