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Featured The 10 weeks of Enoch, inspired or not?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by LittleLambofJesus, Oct 14, 2017.

  1. No

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  2. Yes

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  3. I have read it, but have no opinion

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  4. I haven't read it

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  5. I intend to read it

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  6. I don't intend to read it

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  1. YHWH_will_uplift

    YHWH_will_uplift Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I'm not sure how the OP felt when reading 1 Enoch for the first time but, I felt scared to know what I would find. As I read it I felt like I was transported to a remote part of history. Actually when me and my wife read it together we spent days and weeks making sure that the content we were reading did not betray our current canon. Boy that was an amazing time...now I could never imagine reading the Bible without 1 Enoch or any of the other apocryphal and deuterocanonical books.
     
  2. One Of The Elect

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    I agree with you. I love Enoch, God purposed greatness in him. God has put it upon your heart to share this. Thank you , God Bless.
     
  3. Jipsah

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    Sounds good. May we assume, then, that the parts of "Enoch" that are important are those included in canonical Scripture, and those not included are not? If so, then we are in agreement.

    Good points. Where was "Enoch", and in what form, until it surfaced some centuries after the presumed author had left?
     
  4. friend of

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    If God wanted the Book of Enoch in the Bible it would have been in the Bible, especially when you consider that Enoch pleased God so much that God special-raptured him to avoid Enoch tasting death.

    Another view is that the Book of Enoch is a book that could only be understood in these later days, and that is why it is being read and interpreted now.

    I haven't read it but I wouldn't be averse to it, but I would go in with the mindset of treating it as the Apocrypha.
     
  5. YHWH_will_uplift

    YHWH_will_uplift Well-Known Member Supporter

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    How many people have read 1 Enoch for themselves before vomiting foolishness? It is folly and a shame when one judges a matter before hearing it out to the end.
     
  6. GUANO

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    Enoch definitely did not write it but I would still consider it inspired---perhaps not "authoratative". Jesus quotes the book of Enoch multiple times and the book has more prophecies about the coming of the kingdom of God than any other. Multiple sections had multiple authors and much of the book is about babylonian demonology.
     
  7. YHWH_will_uplift

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    Care to cite your sources?
     
  8. GUANO

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    On which point?
     
  9. toLiJC

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    yes, it is inspired by the true God, but do we understand Scripture properly/correctly?!, because the systematic Bible reading alone has not been enough for the purpose

    Blessings
     
  10. YHWH_will_uplift

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    That Enoch did not write 1 Enoch.
     
  11. JacksBratt

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    The fact that the Book of Enoch is still around and was included in the parchments found in the dead sea scrolls, is evidence enough for me that it was, and is, a very important and worthy book of text.

    Who knows, maybe as more archeological evidence is found, a new council of God fearing, righteous seeking men will sit down, discuss it and eventually include it as canonical writing.
     
  12. YHWH_will_uplift

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    Thankfully we don't have to wait until the majority of naysayers are convinced: what's important is are we convinced and can we prove in Spirit and in Truth that these contested books are inspired by God? If Jesus had to wait for the whole world to be convinced that He is the Messiah then none would be saved.
     
  13. JIMINZ

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  14. YHWH_will_uplift

    YHWH_will_uplift Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I proved it you just want to ignore what I made clear. If something is unclear then point it out and I will make it clear. Otherwise you're in denial.
     
  15. JIMINZ

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  16. YHWH_will_uplift

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    And prophecy is a part of scripture. Revelation (which is scripture) tells us that Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy.
     
  17. JIMINZ

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    All you have proven is you have an opinion, but just because you do have an opinion doesn't make that opinion correct, the Council you do not respect had the Authority, and they didn't include Enoch.

    For all you know there could also be a laundry list of the person who hid the Scrolls, are we to include his list into Scripture as well.
     
  18. JIMINZ

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  19. GUANO

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    There is no record in the Bible that says that Noah was commanded to carry or carried a library of scrolls with him on the ark. Do you think it's an authoritative book? If so then i guess the earth is flat and the luminaries enter and exit portals at the ends of the earth...? There is no physical evidence that the book existed before the babylonian exile.

    At the end of the day, I dont think it was written by Enoch even by the content of the writing alone as there are several different writing styles that are quite different within it. With that being said, I have read it many times and have a deep respect for that book and the authorship has no bearing on whether or not I think it's inspired.
     
  20. Jipsah

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    Well, no. You told us what you believe, but that hardly constitutes proof. Unfortunately there's a fair bit of "Enoch" that is sheer bunk. The BOOK OF THE COURSES OF THE HEAVENLY LUMINARIES, for instance, goes into painful detail as to how the sun moves about the earth, every word of which is utter nonsense. One would think that any writing inspired by God would, if they were going to describe such things at all, get 'em right. After all, God designed the whole shootin' match, and so presumably knows how it works. Whoever wrote "Enoch" obviously not only didn't know how it works, he didn't even suspect how any of it worked. But he gets a gold star for creativity, as he has the sun nipping in and out of "portals" and "windows" at different times of year so as to vary the length of days (which he apparently believed to be the same everywhere, oops!). The writer's notions of the causes of weather and geography are pretty hilarious a well.

    So to me, "Enoch" is clearly bogus. Tell me that the sun rises in the east, fine. That's how we all talk. Tell me, at wearisome length, how the sun performs maneuvers and gyrations that it patently does not, and that it's driven by the wind, and that it and the moon are roughly the same size, and so on ad absurdum, then it's no longer a matter of colloquial speech, it's a matter of making stuff up and peddling it as fact.
     
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