The 10 weeks of Enoch, inspired or not?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here is the quote from the epistle of Jude concerning the prophecy of Enoch:.

Jde 1:
4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
15 “to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

I thought I would make a thread based mainly on the 10 week prophecy mentioned in that book, but also any other verses from the Bible concerning his prophecy.

For info, this site shows those weeks, along with it's interpretation of those weeks.
Thanks to those who respond and please vote.......

Enoch. The prophecy of the 10 weeks

3. And Enoch began to recount from the books and said;
I was born the seventh in the first week,
While judgement and righteousness still endured.
4. And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness,
And deceit shall have sprung up;
And in it there shall be the first end. And in it a man shall be saved;
And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up;
And a law shall be made for the sinners.
5. And after that in the third week at it’s close
A man shall be elected as the plant of righteous Judgement.
And his posterity shall become the plant of righteousness for evermore.
6. And after that in the fourth week, at it’s close,
Visions of the holy and righteous shall be seen.
And a law for all generations and an enclosure shall be made for them.
7. And after that in the fifth week, at it’s close,
The house of glory and dominion shall be built for ever.
8. And after that in the sixth week all who live in it shall be blinded,
And the hearts of all of them shall godlessly forsake wisdom.
And in it a man shall ascend; and at it’s close the house of dominion shall be burnt with fire,
And the race of the chosen root shall be dispersed.
9. And after that in the seventh week shall an apostate generation arise,
and many shall be it’s deeds, And all it’s deed shall be apostate.
10. And at it’s close shall be elected The elect righteous of the eternal plant of righteousness,
To receive sevenfold instruction concerning all His creation.

12. And after that there shall be another, the eighth week, that of righteousness,
And a sword shall be given to it that a righteous Judgement may be executed on the oppressors,
And the sinners shall be delivered into the hands of the righteous.
13. And at it’s close they shall acquire houses through their righteousness,
And a house shall be built for the Great King in glory for evermore,
And all mankind shall look to the path of uprightness.
14. And after that in the ninth week, the righteous judgment
shall be revealed to the whole world,
And all the works of the godless shall vanish from all the earth.
And the world shall be written down for destruction.
15. And after this, in the tenth week in the seventh part,
There shall be the great eternal judgement, in which
He will execute vengeance amongst the angels.
16. And the first heaven shall depart and pass away,
and a new heaven shall appear, and all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light.
17. And after that there will be many weeks without number forever.

This is the end of the Apocalypse of the ten weeks.
As you can see, like all the prophecies of God it is coming to pass exactly as it was supposed to. God is still in charge. Here we have yet another word from God that this is the time all the world has been waiting for. .......................
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[brinny]

DO you believe the book of Enoch is inspired?

Inspired by what, exactly?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

DO you believe the book of Enoch is inspired?

Inspired by what, exactly?

By God.........just as the 66 books of the Protestant bible is inspired.
If Jude is considered inspired scripture, then why not Enoch?
I suppose I should have it clearer. Sorry.........

What does it mean that the Bible is inspired?

Question: "What does it mean that the Bible is inspired?"

Answer: When people speak of the Bible as inspired, they are referring to the fact that God divinely influenced the human authors of the Scriptures in such a way that what they wrote was the very Word of God.
In the context of the Scriptures, the word “inspiration” simply means “God-breathed.” Inspiration means the Bible truly is the Word of God and makes the Bible unique among all other books.

While there are different views as to the extent to which the Bible is inspired, there can be no doubt that the Bible itself claims that every word in every part of the Bible comes from God (1 Corinthians 2:12-13; 2 Timothy 3:16-17). This view of the Scriptures is often referred to as “verbal plenary” inspiration. That means the inspiration extends to the very words themselves (verbal)—not just concepts or ideas—and that the inspiration extends to all parts of Scripture and all subject matters of Scripture (plenary).

Some people believe only parts of the Bible are inspired or only the thoughts or concepts that deal with religion are inspired, but these views of inspiration fall short of the Bible’s claims about itself. Full verbal plenary inspiration is an essential characteristic of the Word of God.......

 

[brinny]

By God.........just as the 66 books of the Protestant bible is inspired.
If Jude is considered inspired scripture, then why not Enoch?
I suppose I should have it clearer. Sorry.........

What does it mean that the Bible is inspired?

Question: "What does it mean that the Bible is inspired?"

Answer: When people speak of the Bible as inspired, they are referring to the fact that God divinely influenced the human authors of the Scriptures in such a way that what they wrote was the very Word of God. In the context of the Scriptures, the word “inspiration” simply means “God-breathed.” Inspiration means the Bible truly is the Word of God and makes the Bible unique among all other books.

While there are different views as to the extent to which the Bible is inspired, there can be no doubt that the Bible itself claims that every word in every part of the Bible comes from God (1 Corinthians 2:12-13; 2 Timothy 3:16-17). This view of the Scriptures is often referred to as “verbal plenary” inspiration. That means the inspiration extends to the very words themselves (verbal)—not just concepts or ideas—and that the inspiration extends to all parts of Scripture and all subject matters of Scripture (plenary). Some people believe only parts of the Bible are inspired or only the thoughts or concepts that deal with religion are inspired, but these views of inspiration fall short of the Bible’s claims about itself. Full verbal plenary inspiration is an essential characteristic of the Word of God.......

Who authored it?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Who authored it?

Hi brinny.
If Enoch wrote it, it would to have been thru God.

The author of Hebrews is unknown, but is considered inspired, and he also mentions Enoch:

Gen 5:24
And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him. [Hebrews 11:5\

Hebrew 11:5
To faith Enoch was translated/meteteqh <3346> of the no to be seeing death and not was found thru translating/meteqhken <3346> him.
For the God, before the translation/metaqesewV <3331> of him, he hath been witnessed to have well pleased to the God.

 

[Tutorman]

I do think it might be and just like I believe there are more than 66 books in the Bible

 

[brinny]

Hi brinny.
If Enoch wrote it, it would to have been thru through God.

The author of Hebrews is unknown, but is considered inspired, and he also mentions Enoch:

Gen 5:24
And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him. [Hebrews 11:5\

Hebrew 11:5
To faith Enoch was translated/meteteqh <3346> of the no to be seeing death and not was found thru translating/meteqhken <3346> him.
For the God, before the translation/metaqesewV <3331> of him, he hath been witnessed to have well pleased to the God.

My friend, yes, Enoch, the man of God who walked with God to the extent that God "took him" was indeed real, and did not die, but was "taken" by God.

The question is, did he write the book of enoch?

Secondarlily, WOULD he write something like the book of enoch?

 

[brinny]

I do think it might be and just like I believe there are more than 66 books in the Bible

You do?

Based on what, Tutorman?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

He is mentioned in the genealogy of Luk 3:

Luk 3:37
the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Cainan,

Enoch. The prophecy of the 10 weeks

Chapt XCIII
3. And Enoch began to recount from the books and said;
I was born the seventh in the first week,
While judgement and righteousness still endured

He sets the date of his birth as being after Adam and before the wickedness which brought Gods Judgment on the earth. Apparently wickedness had already begun to spread at the time of this writing but was still rare.
He is "raptured" before the birth of Noah and the future flood.....

4. And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness, And deceit shall have sprung up; And in it there shall be the first end.
And in it a man shall be saved;
And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up; And a law shall be made for the sinners.
After the destruction of the earth evil will again take hold but this time there will be a law to teach men right from wrong. This is, I think the, the eternal law that resides at the core of us all. It may also be a reference to the Noah covenant.

Gen 5
24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son.
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, “This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD has cursed.”

 

[Tigger45]

I voted other because I’d handle it like I would the deuterocannonical books. It’s worth reading and gleening for historic and biblical clarity.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I do think it might be and just like I believe there are more than 66 books in the Bible

Well for now, I would like to stick with the book of Enoch and not the Deuterocanonicals. Thanks.
But for those that do not know about them, they can look it up........

Deuterocanonical books - Wikipedia

The deuterocanonical books (from the Greek meaning "belonging to the second canon") are the books and passages of the Christian Old Testament that are not part of the Hebrew Bible. The term, used since the 16th century by the Catholic Church and sometimes by Orthodox Christianity, distinguishes these texts from the protocanonical books, which are the books contained in the Hebrew canon.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

4. And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness, And deceit shall have sprung up; And in it there shall be the first end.
And in it a man shall be saved;
And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up; And a law shall be made for the sinners.
After the destruction of the earth evil will again take hold but this time there will be a law to teach men right from wrong. This is, I think the, the eternal law that resides at the core of us all. It may also be a reference to the Noah covenant.

Could this be referring to Abram/Abraham?
Any thoughts on this?

5. And after that in the third week at it’s close
A man shall be elected as the plant of righteous Judgement.
And his posterity shall become the plant of righteousness for evermore.

Gen 11:26
Now Terah lived seventy years, and begot Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
Gen 17:1
When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.
Gen 25:8
Then Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man and full of years, and was gathered to his people.

Mat 1:1
The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:
Gal 3:6
just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[fn]

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Could this be referring to Abram/Abraham?
Any thoughts on this?

5. And after that in the third week at it’s close
A man shall be elected as the plant of righteous Judgement.
And his posterity shall become the plant of righteousness for evermore.

Could this be referring to Moses, the 10 Commandments and the Tabernacle in the wilderness??

6. And after that in the fourth week, at it’s close, Visions of the holy and righteous shall be seen. And a law for all generations and an enclosure shall be made for them.

They trembled at His Presence saying, "Let not God speak to us lest we die," and they didn't want to go before Him again and so they elected Moses to be their permanent spokesman even though the Lord had wanted them to be a "kingdom of priests" (Ex. 19:6).

Exod 25:1-9 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying: "Speak to the children of Israel, that they bring Me an offe
ing. From everyone who gives it willingly with his heart you shall take My offering... And let them make Me a Sanctuary, that I may dwell among them..................

Exodus 31:18
And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

 

[JIMINZ]

By God.........just as the 66 books of the Protestant bible is inspired.
If Jude is considered inspired scripture, then why not Enoch?
I suppose I should have it clearer. Sorry.........

What does it mean that the Bible is inspired?

Question: "What does it mean that the Bible is inspired?"

Answer: When people speak of the Bible as inspired, they are referring to the fact that God divinely influenced the human authors of the Scriptures in such a way that what they wrote was the very Word of God.
In the context of the Scriptures, the word “inspiration” simply means “God-breathed.” Inspiration means the Bible truly is the Word of God and makes the Bible unique among all other books.

While there are different views as to the extent to which the Bible is inspired, there can be no doubt that the Bible itself claims that every word in every part of the Bible comes from God (1 Corinthians 2:12-13; 2 Timothy 3:16-17). This view of the Scriptures is often referred to as “verbal plenary” inspiration. That means the inspiration extends to the very words themselves (verbal)—not just concepts or ideas—and that the inspiration extends to all parts of Scripture and all subject matters of Scripture (plenary).

Some people believe only parts of the Bible are inspired or only the thoughts or concepts that deal with religion are inspired, but these views of inspiration fall short of the Bible’s claims about itself. Full verbal plenary inspiration is an essential characteristic of the Word of God.......

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My belief is, the entire Bible was Inspired by God.
Therefore if the Books themselves were Inspired, then also were the very words within those books.
I do not believe God left anything to chance, concerning what He wanted man to receive as His Word.

Furthermore, my belief is, if God did Inspire the Books to be written, then he also Inspired the combining of them, into what we call the Bible.
What I mean is, if God took such care to Inspire men to write, he would also Inspire those men sitting on the Council to choose which books HE wanted in the Canon.

If there are certain Books not in the Canon, then we must understand, God did not want them there.

As far as the Book of Enoch is concerned, I could well ask, why didn't Noah, Abraham, David also write books, didn't God have a special relationship with each of these men as well?

Not taking anything away from Enoch, but God could have used Moses to convey this message found in Enoch at the same time he was Inspired to write the First Five Books of the Old Testament.

I have to understand, at the time of the writing of the Book of Enoch, he had an Alphabet, a written language, the implements to write with, (Pen, Ink, Paper), beside that, the Book itself which would have had to survive until it was (Found / Discovered).

Who Translated the Book of Enoch into the Hebrew Language, where was the Book found and by whom?
These are just questions I ask myself before I begin believing the Book solely because it has Enoch's name on it.

In the end, I believe we have 66 Books, because that is what the Council Canonized as the Bible, the other Books are called Deuterocanonical Books, because they did not pass the Council's approval to be included into the Canon.

 

[Tutorman]

You do?

Based on what, Tutorman?

Really just my instincts

 

[brinny]

Really just my instincts

The Bible speaks on our instincts (thoughts) many times, Tutorman.

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil."~Proverbs 3:5-7

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: " ~Jeremiah 17:9

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
By God.........just as the 66 books of the Protestant bible is inspired.
If Jude is considered inspired scripture, then why not Enoch?
I suppose I should have it clearer. Sorry.........

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My belief is, the entire Bible was Inspired by God.
Therefore if the Books themselves were Inspired, then also were the very words within those books.
I do not believe God left anything to chance, concerning what He wanted man to receive as His Word.

Furthermore, my belief is, if God did Inspire the Books to be written, then he also Inspired the combining of them, into what we call the Bible.
What I mean is, if God took such care to Inspire men to write, he would also Inspire those men sitting on the Council to choose which books HE wanted in the Canon.

If there are certain Books not in the Canon, then we must understand, God did not want them there.

As far as the Book of Enoch is concerned, I could well ask, why didn't Noah, Abraham, David also write books, didn't God have a special relationship with each of these men as well?

Not taking anything away from Enoch, but God could have used Moses to convey this message found in Enoch at the same time he was Inspired to write the First Five Books of the Old Testament.

I have to understand, at the time of the writing of the Book of Enoch, he had an Alphabet, a written language, the implements to write with, (Pen, Ink, Paper), beside that, the Book itself which would have had to survive until it was (Found / Discovered).

Who Translated the Book of Enoch into the Hebrew Language, where was the Book found and by whom?
These are just questions I ask myself before I begin believing the Book solely because it has Enoch's name on it.

In the end, I believe we have 66 Books, because that is what the Council Canonized as the Bible,
the other Books are called Deuterocanonical Books, because they did not pass the Council's approval to be included into the Canon.

Thank you for your post, but like you and others, I still have more questions than answers about the writings of Enoch.

It has been over a decade since I have read the book of Enoch, and it is actually the only book outside of the 66 canonized books I have read.
From what this site says, multiple copies were found in 1948 amongst the dead sea scrolls.........

The Book of Enoch and the Church Coverup

"At that time I beheld the Ancient of Days,
while he sat upon the throne of his glory, while the book of the living
was opened in his presence, and while all the powers which were above the heavens stood around and before him." Book of Enoch 47:3 (Ethiopic, Artisan pub)

Since it's English translation in the 1800's from texts found in Ethiopia in 1768, The Book of Enoch (known today as 1st Enoch) has made quite a stir in academic circles. 1 Enoch has been authenticated as existing and in wide use before the church age (most scholars now date it at 200 BC). Multiple copies were discovered in 1948 in the Dead Sea Scrolls. This of course has caused many to wonder why it is not included in modern Bibles...

 

[JIMINZ]

Multiple copies were discovered in 1948 in the Dead Sea Scrolls. This of course has caused many to wonder why it is not included in modern Bibles...

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Because of the reasons I gave, if God had wanted the Book of Enoch in the Canon it would have been there.......Period, it's Gods' Word not ours, He can do what He wants and when He wants.

It's not there because God did not want it there.

Christians have enough trouble with the Books which are in the Canon without dragging other obscure books into the mix.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Could this be referring to Moses, the 10 Commandments and the Tabernacle in the wilderness?


6. And after that in the fourth week, at it’s close, Visions of the holy and righteous shall be seen. And a law for all generations and an enclosure shall be made for them.

The 5th week event could perhaps be referring to Solomon's Temple? It was the first Temple and it stood until the Babylonians destroyed it and took the Jews into bondage. It seems David was forbidden to build it?
Please feel free to post your view/s of these weeks. Thanks,


7. And after that in the fifth week, at it’s close, The house of glory and dominion shall be built for ever.

The crowning achievement of King Solomon's reign was the erection of the magnificent Temple (Hebrew- Beit haMikdash) in the capital city of ancient Israel - Jerusalem. His father, King David, had wanted to build the great Temple a generation earlier, as a permanent resting place for the Ark of the Covenant which contained the Ten Commandments.
A divine edict, however, had forbidden him from doing so: "You will not build a house for My name," God said to David, "for you are a man of battles and have shed blood" (I Chronicles 28:3).

Sacrifice was the predominant mode of divine service in the Temple until it was destroyed by the Babylonians some four hundred years later, in 586 BCE. Seventy years later, after the story of Purim, a number of Jews returned to Israel - led by the prophets Ezra and Nehemiah - and the Second Temple was built on the same site. Sacrifices to God were once again resumed.

 

[Tutorman]

The Bible speaks on our instincts (thoughts) many times, Tutorman.

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil."~Proverbs 3:5-7

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: " ~Jeremiah 17:9

I trust my instincts, thank you very much.
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Enoch is part of a scripture canon, can anyone guess which one?