The 10 Commandments are done away!

[JohnRabbit]

If we were going to obey any law, we didn't need Christ, all we need to do is love.
Ephesians chapter 2 verses 14-19
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two. thus making peace and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently , you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household.

we need Christ because we deserve death for sinning!

the law simply expresses the way in which one should walk.

we've all sinned, ergo, we need to be saved from the penalty of sinning. once our sins are forgiven, then we do what paul referred to and establish the law simply by keeping it.

so do you believe that the law expresses God's way?

 

[disciple1]

we need Christ because we deserve death for sinning!

the law simply expresses the way in which one should walk.

we've all sinned, ergo, we need to be saved from the penalty of sinning. once our sins are forgiven, then we do what paul referred to and establish the law simply by keeping it.

so do you believe that the law expresses God's way?

You don't obey the law no one does.

If we were going to obey any law, we didn't need Christ, all we need to do is love.
Ephesians chapter 2 verses 14-19
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two. thus making peace and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently , you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household.

 

[JohnRabbit]

You don't obey the law no one does.

what is this suppose to mean?

 

[disciple1]

what is this suppose to mean?

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

 

[JohnRabbit]

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

so you don't believe that the law expresses God's ways?

 

[pescador]

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

The first part of 1 John is written to unbelievers (non-Christians). 1 John 1:3 makes this perfectly clear: "We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ." In verse 8 the author is saying that if you aren't a Christian and you claim to be without sin you deceive yourself.

James 2:8-9 says "If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers." If you aren't acting according to the Holy Spirit by loving your neighbor you are putting yourself back under the law, which tells you right from wrong.

 

[disciple1]

so you don't believe that the law expresses God's ways?

Galatians chapter 4


21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

 

[disciple1]

The first part of 1 John is written to unbelievers (non-Christians). 1 John 1:3 makes this perfectly clear: "We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ." In verse 8 the author is saying that if you aren't a Christian and you claim to be without sin you deceive yourself.

James 2:8-9 says "If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers." If you aren't acting according to the Holy Spirit by loving your neighbor you are putting yourself back under the law, which tells you right from wrong.

This is what I believe we should do.
1 Peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Jeremiah chapter 22
16 He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Galatians chapter 4


21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

do you believe that the law expresses God's ways?

 

[disciple1]

do you believe that the law expresses God's ways?

It may express God's ways but we can't live up to it, nor are we to try to, we're just to love, no matter how hard you try to obey the law you will always fail, and if you try to keep the law your a slave to sin, because that's what's controlling you.

 

[pescador]

This is what I believe we should do.
1 Peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Jeremiah chapter 22
16 He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.

Agreed! But we must do it by the Spirit, as our sinful nature isn't up to the task. The law showed us that it's impossible to do the above on our own.

 

[pescador]

It may express God's ways but we can't live up to it, nor are we to try to, we're just to love, no matter how hard you try to obey the law you will always fail, and if you try to keep the law your a slave to sin, because that's what's controlling you.

Agreed 110%

 

[Commander]

It never ceases to amaze me how people don't read the bible. If one doesn't understand that the 10 commandments are done away they can not understand what Christ came to do.

Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The term "Christ" represents "the King of the Jews":
"Where is he that is born "King of the Jews"? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where "Christ" should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come "a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel".

Notice how Herod uses the term Christ synonymously with the term King of the Jews and how the chief priest and scribes respond to Herod's question of where the Christ is to be born (In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come "a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel"). It is clear that the term "Christ" was used to reference the anointed Heir to David's throne, the Messiah: the rightful heir to Rule God's people. If you are going to have a proper relationship with Jesus, you must relate to him as your Ruler: in obedience.

The 10 Commandments are absolutely done away as Jesus' Rule replaced the 10 Commandments.

The law is not a reference to the Torah, almost always the law is a reference to mankind's obligation to live right before God on any moral plain of existence. I know many of you that believe the Torah is still relevant are screaming inside yourself but let me ask you this question: why don't you stone adulterers to death as Moses commanded in the Torah?

For those of you that believe Paul's writings are inspired of God, why don't you believe Paul:

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones (what was written and engraved in stones? THE 10 COMMANDMENTS), was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory (This is a reference to the 10 Commandments being the ministration of condemnation), much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious (Paul clearly is saying the 10 commandments are DONE AWAY), much more that which remaineth is glorious.

This isn't the only place Paul addresses this

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. (Paul says the first Covenant leads to bondage)
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman (The Law) and her son (And those who follow it): for the son of the bondwoman (those who follow the law) shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman (those who follow Christ).
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman (those who follow the law), but of the free.

Matthew 5:17 is very poorly written in English. Jesus was saying that he came to raise the standards of the law, not to lower them, but he didn't preach the Torah. If you think salvation is in the 10 commandments you have totally missed Jesus message: Jesus raised the standards of the law and replaced its teachings with a higher set of rules.

Ephesians 2:15 and Colossians 2:14. Truth, it will set you free. Have a blessed day knowing we were made free from sin-Romans 6:18 and Romans 6:22..

 

[JohnRabbit]

It may express God's ways but we can't live up to it,

you're correct. Jesus even said so.

Mat 19:26
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible;

but it's the rest of the verse that gives us hope:

but with God all things are possible.

it's the help of Christ that will accomplish this for us - see gal 2:20!

nor are we to try to,

not so, according to Jesus! (see matt 5:48)

we're just to love,

yes, that's what i always hear, and yet look at the world (see rom 3:17)!

no matter how hard you try to obey the law you will always fail,

again, correct!

and if you try to keep the law your a slave to sin,

this statement makes no sense!

if you keep the law, you're doing what is pleasing to God!

you're only a slave to sin if that's what you're all about - sinning that is.
remember paul said:
Rom 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid...

the law is not sin and we as christians should stop framing it that way.

because that's what's controlling you.

it's sin that controls one!

 

[disciple1]

you're correct. Jesus even said so.

Mat 19:26
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible;

but it's the rest of the verse that gives us hope:

but with God all things are possible.

it's the help of Christ that will accomplish this for us - see gal 2:20!



not so, according to Jesus! (see matt 5:48)


yes, that's what i always hear, and yet look at the world (see rom 3:17)!


again, correct!


this statement makes no sense!

if you keep the law, you're doing what is pleasing to God!

you're only a slave to sin if that's what you're all about - sinning that is.
remember paul said:
Rom 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid...

the law is not sin and we as christians should stop framing it that way.


it's sin that controls one!

1 Timothy chapter 1 verse7, 8
They want to be teachers of the law but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
Galatians chapter 3 verses 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.

 

[JohnRabbit]

1 Timothy chapter 1 verse7, 8
They want to be teachers of the law but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
Galatians chapter 3 verses 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.

this is "merry-go-round".

 

[Travis93]

We know for a fact the law continues because this is in the future.
Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

 

[pescador]

We know for a fact the law continues because this is in the future.
Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

What does this have to do with the law continuing? There is no mention of it in the one Old Testament verse that you cite.

 

[disciple1]

this is "merry-go-round".

this is "merry-go-round"

I see it the same way as you, but I love you won't accept it and no one obeys the law, or ever has except Christ.

 

[JohnRabbit]

What does this have to do with the law continuing? There is no mention of it in the one Old Testament verse that you cite.

ok.

can you answer this?

in a prophecy that's yet future, Isaiah wrote:

Isaiah 2:3(NKJV)
3 Many people shall come and say, “Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

what law will go forth from zion?