The 10 Commandments are done away!

[vinsight4u]

/

 

[disciple1]

What is Matthew 25 about? - a day and hour not known to men
or even angels
So, does that work for the hour of the tribulation ending?
Daniel 11 shows that an angel speaks to Daniel and later
as the chapter closes other holy beings show up in his place
to reveal prophecy to Daniel. We find how long the trib is - we have the end of chapter 11 at the 1290 mark. Daniel is told
that he will rest and stand in his lot at the end of the days.
This sure looks like holy beings -angels know the day of this
coming. Are people at the end of the trib or the 1000 years
going to be divided up - leaving forever only the righteous
type? no - The wheat and tares division happens as it tells us -
at the end of the world. Who reaps the earth in Rev. 14?
But the angels do the reaping at the time of the end of the world.

Matthew 24:3 shows more than one question was asked.

Chapter 25 begins with "Then shall..."
So we have to link it to the end of chapter 24.

James chapter 3
Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
Like I said I'm not saying your wrong, but what you believe is not what I believe.

 

[vinsight4u]

/

 

[disciple1]

Received my calling and it has been confirmed many times
over a bunch of years.

You seem to think a lot of yourself.
Romans chapter 2
29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

 

[JohnRabbit]

The law is not based on faith;

interesting!

however, Jesus said this:

Matthew 23:23(NKJV)
23“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

[Staff edit]

 

[Travis93]

interesting!

however, Jesus said this:

Matthew 23:23(NKJV)
23“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

"Without leaving the others undone" is interesting, because I see so many people trying to pit Jesus against the so called ritual/ceremonial laws, but here he endorses them. He was never preaching against the law, as in "forget the rituals, just love only". He was just bringing the focus to the matters people were ignoring.

Isaiah 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
Isaiah 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
Isaiah 1:16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

God won't accept people keeping some of the law while blatantly rebelling against other parts.

 

[JohnRabbit]

"Without leaving the others undone" is interesting, because I see so many people trying to pit Jesus against the so called ritual/ceremonial laws, but here he endorses them. He was never preaching against the law, as in "forget the rituals, just love only". He was just bringing the focus to the matters people were ignoring.

Isaiah 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
Isaiah 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
Isaiah 1:16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

God won't accept people keeping some of the law while blatantly rebelling against other parts.

it's that people don't seem to understand the law of God.

God's law expresses His way of love - rom 13:8-10.

He gave the COI something the rest of the world did not have, which was His way!

at sinai, (and even before then), He gave them the commandments, statutes, and judgments - ex 20-24.

that was the covenant.

the law God wrote defines or identifies sin, ten commandments that could be summed up by two. the statutes and judgments showed the application of the ten commandments in a civil society.

the ceremonial and ritual laws were added about a year later. these laws were put in place because the COI had a habit of straying away from God and this law was appointed through angels - gal 3:19.

the ceremonial and ritual laws laws were temporary, because they were what the bible calls "fleshly ordinances" (see hebrews 7:16 and hebrews 9:10). now, "fleshly or carnal ordinances" require actual physical labor to accomplish. these laws seemed burdensome, and i think paul likened them to a taskmaster. for example, to cleanse yourself, could require you to bathe yourself, which takes physical labor to accomplish.

this differs from the law that God wrote, in that, it requires no physical labor to accomplish. that's because the ten commandments are a spiritual law and not a fleshly ordinance, yet all of it is law that came from God.

the ceremonial laws did point to better things to come and served as a foreshadow for the Holy Spirit and the sacrifice of the Christ. these laws served as a guide until the Holy Spirit was given - gal 3:24.

it was these laws that was abolished because they served their purpose.

i think we all understand that the law saves no one, only Jesus saves.

however, the law still expresses His way and i believe that His way is for the christian.

 

[disciple1]

interesting!

however, Jesus said this:

Matthew 23:23(NKJV)
23“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

Why did you take a little of it to make it look like I said it, when it's the bible.
galatians chapter 3 verse 12
The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, "The person who does these things will live by them."

 

[JohnRabbit]

Why did you take a little of it to make it look like I said it, when it's the bible.
galatians chapter 3 verse 12
The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, "The person who does these things will live by them."

because i was trying to point out what i wrote in post #628.

paul is obviously talking about the fleshly ordinances. that's why paul asks in verse 2 did they receive the Spirit by "works of the law".so when he says "the law is not of faith" it couldn't be the "ten" because the spiritual law contains justice, mercy, and faith as Christ said or else we'd have a contradiction!

 

[JohnRabbit]

 

[Bob S]

Jesus was under the law until His death on the Cross. Not one jot nor one tittle was to pass from the law until all was accomplished. Jesus accomplished all on the Cross. Jews and all who accept Jesus as Savior are free from the law because of the sacrifice Jesus made for us. You try to tell us we do not understand the law and I will tell you that I have been studying the law for years. [Staff edit] Jesus blood sacrifice ushered in the new and better covenant on our behalf.

If you believe the new covenant is yet to be ushered in and for some reason you believe you must observe Torah then as Jesus said not one jot nor one tittle has passed from the Torah and you would be obligated to observe every law. You would be required to rebuild the temple, reinstall the Levitical priesthood and keep every aspect of Torah. But you say that would be impossible. Well I say you need to restudy your belief system.

 

[Bob S]

because i was trying to point out what i wrote in post #628.

paul is obviously talking about the fleshly ordinances. that's why paul asks in verse 2 did they receive the Spirit by "works of the law".so when he says "the law is not of faith" it couldn't be the "ten" because the spiritual law contains justice, mercy, and faith as Christ said or else we'd have a contradiction!

Read 2Cor 3:7-11 and you will find out that the 10 commandments have been replaced with the Holy Spirit. The 10 were only temporary laws the ended at the Cross.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory(temporary) though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

 

[JohnRabbit]

Read 2Cor 3:7-11 and you will find out that the 10 commandments have been replaced with the Holy Spirit. The 10 were only temporary laws the ended at the Cross.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory(temporary) though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

ok, i don't quite follow.

can you elaborate?

 

[disciple1]

ok, i don't quite follow.

can you elaborate?

Does this help.
Hebrews chapter 7

11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.


18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Does this help.
Hebrews chapter 7
11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Out with the OC Priesthood, in with the NC Priesthood of Jesus/Yahweh!......
I can't help but think where both Christianity and Judaism would be w/o the divine destruction of Jerusalem and Temple in 70 ad as prophecied in in the OT and NT, [and possible showing in the NC Book of Revelation?]

Hebrews 7:12
For being changed/translated/metatiqemenhV<3346> (5746) the Priesthood,
out of necessity also, of Law a change/metaqesiV <3331> is becoming,

Hebrews 8:13
in the to be saying `New' He hath made old the first. The yet being aged and being obsolete nigh of disappearance

http://www.christianforums.com/t7454770/
Why did Sadducees not believe in Resurrection?

Matthew 3:7
Seeing yet many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon his baptism he said to them "produce of vipers!
who suggested to ye to be fleeing from the being about Wrath?

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=3974

Being closely associated with the Temple, the Sadducees disappeared from history when the Temple was destroyed in 70.

Reve 6:16
And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks: 'Be falling on us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb" [Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm
The Destruction Of JERUSALEM
An Absolute and Irresistible PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY:

The Romans, exasperated to the highest pitch against the Jews, seized every person whom they could find, and, without the least regard to sex, .age or quality, first plundered and then slew them. The old and the young, the common people and the priests, those who surrendered and those who resisted, were equally involved in this horrible and indiscriminate carnage.
Meanwhile the Temple continued burning, until at length, vast as was its size, the flames completely enveloped the, whole building ; which, from the extent of the conflagration, impressed the distant spectator with an idea that the whole city was now on fire.

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins......................

......For five days after the destruction of the Temple, the priests who had escaped, sat, pining with hunger, on the top of one of its broken walls; at length, they came down, and humbly asked the pardon of Titus, which, however, he refused to grant them, saying, that, "as the Temple, for the sake of which he would have spared them, was destroyed, it was but fit that its priests should parish also:" -whereupon he commanded that they should be put to death...................



.

 

[Bob S]

ok, i don't quite follow.

can you elaborate?

You wrote:
paul is obviously talking about the fleshly ordinances. that's why paul asks in verse 2 did they receive the Spirit by "works of the law".so when he says "the law is not of faith" it couldn't be the "ten" because the spiritual law contains justice, mercy, and faith as Christ said or else we'd have a contradiction!

You cannot follow Paul's writing that the 10 laws written on stone were temporary? Christians were never under the 10 and the same for gentiles. Jews were given the 10 at Sinai and the 10 were abrogated when the covenant ended.

The 10 were the Jews guide. Since they were temporary and have ended as their guide all mankind is now under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Does this help.
Hebrews chapter 7

11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.


18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

ok, i see what you're saying.

but hebrews 7 is talking about the priesthood and the law that governs it - per verse 12!

those laws were given about year after the covenant was made.

 

[disciple1]

ok, i see what you're saying.

but hebrews 7 is talking about the priesthood and the law that governs it - per verse 12!

those laws were given about year after the covenant was made.

No law is going to make you righteous before God, or Jesus wouldn't have come.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[JohnRabbit]

No law is going to make you righteous before God, or Jesus wouldn't have come.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

well written.

i don't have a problem with what you wrote here.

however, when you mention hebrews 7 it's important to get the context right.

heb 7 is talking about the law that governed the priesthood.

after Christ died, the priesthood changed from the levitical to that of the order of melchizedek.

 

[disciple1]

well written.

i don't have a problem with what you wrote here.

however, when you mention hebrews 7 it's important to get the context right.

heb 7 is talking about the law that governed the priesthood.

after Christ died, the priesthood changed from the levitical to that of the order of melchizedek.

If we were going to obey any law, we didn't need Christ, all we need to do is love.
Ephesians chapter 2 verses 14-19
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two. thus making peace and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently , you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household.