The 10 Commandments are done away!

[Sophrosyne]

This is quite true. I love the artificial distinction between the "moral" law and the "ceremonial" law.

Yeah... like you are only "moral" one day a week according to them.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

You video is right in that we are not under the law of sin and death, however thats not all that Paul teaches us. We are also not under the law of Moses either. See Galatians 5 and notice that he says we are free. He means we are free from the law of Moses. Paul teaches us about works of the flesh and he teaches us to flee from those things and instead sow to the spirit (Galatians 6). We have freedom but we still have spiritual rules of conduct. We can find much guidance from commands given by Christ and His apostles. Christ gave many commands, such as not storing treasure on earth but in heaven. That command in my opinion is among the greatest that we can follow, and its about reaping what we sow. Its not about all that false prosperity doctrine that prosperity preachers teach, but it is about reaping spiritual sight, in my opinion.

We are 'free' because of Christ's sacrifice... have faith, believe in Him and plead His blood and the Law has no power. Lose faith, disbelieve in Him through disobedience and the Law is death. Simple, right? In Christ we are free from the Law because there is no record in the books against us, Christ's blood blotted it out. Outside of Christ, when we sin, then there is record in the book of rememberance and unless we repent and have it blotted out, then we will be lost...the Law will condemn us because we placed ourselves back under it by not repenting and receiving pardon.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Anyway, if you want to follow all those OT commands, go ahead but you will miss the spiritual meanings i think.

Did Jesus keep the whole Law? Was He ignorant of their spiritual meanings?

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Jesus told us that what works He has done , we will do greater through the Spirit. So, if Jesus was perfect in keeping the Law, then why can't we, through the Spirit, do also. To believe differently, you make Jesus a liar and no one wants to purposely do that...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

But you don't love your neighbor as yourself and neither do I,no one obeys the law.
There's a billion people in the world without clean water, and there's people poorer than us if we love them as ourselves we'd give up every thing but food shelter and clothes to help them.
1 peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
This is the best we can do.
And the more you love the greater your reward is the less you love the less your reward is.

So why aren't you doing these things if that's what Jesus asked us to do? You are implying because nobody you know does it, therefore it's impossible. Who said a lot of people are going to make it to Heaven?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.

Not sure where you get that in scripture but I'll use it as an example anyway. If the Law was able to be changed... why did Jesus need to come to die to atone for it? The Father could have just changed it and saved His Son the trouble, right? Any idea why God would play games with the Israelites and give them a bogus set of instructions that couldn't be kept anyways? This doesn't sound like the God that I serve but your reference must obviously be different...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

But no one has ever obeyed the law except Christ, and no one ever will, we don't have his strength and that's not what he wants anyway.

That's not what the bible says...

John 14:12-14
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

So, if I ask to be able to keep the Law are you saying that Jesus, who also kept the Law, would not give me the power to do so? How weak is your god? Mine is powerful to do as He says!

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I am under Christ's laws: not Moses'.

Who do you think gave Moses the Laws? Who was in the pillar of fire and cloud that lead them? Why do you think the incarnation of Christ in the flesh separates Him from the OT?

 

[bugkiller]

Did Jesus keep the whole Law? Was He ignorant of their spiritual meanings?

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Jesus told us that what works He has done , we will do greater through the Spirit. So, if Jesus was perfect in keeping the Law, then why can't we, through the Spirit, do also. To believe differently, you make Jesus a liar and no one wants to purposely do that...

Read about the war between the flesh and the soul in Romans.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

So why aren't you doing these things if that's what Jesus asked us to do? You are implying because nobody you know does it, therefore it's impossible. Who said a lot of people are going to make it to Heaven?

I ask the same of you.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Not sure where you get that in scripture but I'll use it as an example anyway. If the Law was able to be changed... why did Jesus need to come to die to atone for it? The Father could have just changed it and saved His Son the trouble, right? Any idea why God would play games with the Israelites and give them a bogus set of instructions that couldn't be kept anyways? This doesn't sound like the God that I serve but your reference must obviously be different...

You don't recognize Scripture? Wow! Big Wow!

It really sounds like to me that you have no comprehension of the full Bible.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

That's not what the bible says...

John 14:12-14
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

So, if I ask to be able to keep the Law are you saying that Jesus, who also kept the Law, would not give me the power to do so? How weak is your god? Mine is powerful to do as He says!

Since you violate what you promote every single week, I wonder why your god can't preform as you say.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Who do you think gave Moses the Laws? Who was in the pillar of fire and cloud that lead them? Why do you think the incarnation of Christ in the flesh separates Him from the OT?

Which laws did Jesus keep? Did He murder or steal for example? Who did Jesus attribute these laws to? (hint - JN 15:10)

bugkiller

 

[Extraneous]

Did Jesus keep the whole Law? Was He ignorant of their spiritual meanings?

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Jesus told us that what works He has done , we will do greater through the Spirit. So, if Jesus was perfect in keeping the Law, then why can't we, through the Spirit, do also. To believe differently, you make Jesus a liar and no one wants to purposely do that...

All i know is i must follow what i hear and see, same as everyone. I believe the goal is to not love this world but to seek heaven instead. Its hard to seek heaven when we are fighting over a holy land, or trying to make our country a Godly nation. THat type of carnal kingdom was what we saw in Israel, but i believe the kingdom of Christ is fulfilled in the spirit instead, which is not an earthly place. I don't make Christ into a liar, i just follow what i see in scripture. People who follow commands from the OT seems to miss the spiritual fulfillment of it, IMO.

 

[Extraneous]

We are 'free' because of Christ's sacrifice... have faith, believe in Him and plead His blood and the Law has no power. Lose faith, disbelieve in Him through disobedience and the Law is death. Simple, right? In Christ we are free from the Law because there is no record in the books against us, Christ's blood blotted it out. Outside of Christ, when we sin, then there is record in the book of rememberance and unless we repent and have it blotted out, then we will be lost...the Law will condemn us because we placed ourselves back under it by not repenting and receiving pardon.

I believe there is a difference between obeying the OT law and the doctrine found in the NT.

 

[2 know him]

Who do you think gave Moses the Laws? Who was in the pillar of fire and cloud that lead them? Why do you think the incarnation of Christ in the flesh separates Him from the OT?

The Laws Moses gave don't offer forgiveness for those who sin knowingly and men could not know how to live without sin: unless they had a model to show them the way.

Mercy is an essential part of perfection, as it is through showing mercy that one maintains a heart of flesh. The law given to Moses was not to provide perfection, but rather was given to teach man that they need to turn from sin, but how? That is were the Laws of Moses end and the laws of Christ begin. Perfection is found through the practice of Love and compassion for all men: especially the most unlovely. Unless you love the worst of mankind: why should God love you? You are far closer in character to Hitler, than you are to God, and yet the evil in mankind exists today because of their hatred for sinners: instead of having it expelled through LOVE.

Moses and the Old Covenant Laws are not the way to Salvation: Jesus and the New Covenant Laws are.

 

[2 know him]

That's not what the bible says...

John 14:12-14
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

So, if I ask to be able to keep the Law are you saying that Jesus, who also kept the Law, would not give me the power to do so? How weak is your god? Mine is powerful to do as He says!

Deu 22:22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.

Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Joh 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Not only did Jesus violate the laws Moses gave, he encouraged others to violate them also.

People say that Jesus kept the Laws of Moses perfectly, THAT IS NOT TRUE: Jesus lived by a higher law.

 

[Extraneous]

The Laws Moses gave don't offer forgiveness for those who sin knowingly and men could not know how to live without sin: unless they had a model to show them the way.

Mercy is an essential part of perfection, as it is through showing mercy that one maintains a heart of flesh. The law given to Moses was not to provide perfection, but rather was given to teach man that they need to turn from sin, but how? That is were the Laws of Moses end and the laws of Christ begin. Perfection is found through the practice of Love and compassion for all men: especially the most unlovely. Unless you love the worst of mankind: why should God love you? You are far closer in character to Hitler, than you are to God, and yet the evil in mankind exists today because of their hatred for sinners: instead of having it expelled through LOVE.

Moses and the Old Covenant Laws are not the way to Salvation: Jesus and the New Covenant Laws are.

I believe that Christ simply fulfilled the law. We all died because of sin and so the woman died already, being condemned as a sinner, and there was no need to stone her. She was given life by the law of love and mercy. We see this in this scripture. I also find it interesting that Christ came to forgive this mans sin, and it was only after th hard hearted pharisees accused him of blasphemy that he healed the man also. The miracle was not the point, but the point was that Christ heals us from sin and death through His blood. The healing miracle was the lesser work, the greater work was the mercy that he showed.



Mathew 9:9 So He got into a boat, crossed over, and came to His own city. 2 Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you.”

3 And at once some of the scribes said within themselves, “This Man blasphemes!”

4 But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, “Why do you think evil in your hearts? 5 For which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise and walk’? 6 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—then He said to the paralytic, “Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” 7 And he arose and departed to his house.

8 Now when the multitudes saw it, they marveled[a] and glorified God, who had given such power to men.

12 When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”[c]

 

[Extraneous]

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

Mathew 13:18 “Therefore hear the parable of the sower:

 

[BobRyan]

The Laws Moses gave don't offer forgiveness for those who sin knowingly and men could not know how to live without sin: unless they had a model to show them the way.

The Bible says "The GOSPEL was preached to THEM just as it was to US ALSO" Heb 4:1
The Bible says that MOSES and Elijah stand WITH Christ - before the cross - in glorified form - in Matt 17.
The Bible says "IF they do not listen to MOSES neither will they listen though one rises from the dead" Luke 16
The Bible says "There is only ONE Gospel" Gal 1:6-9 AND it says "the GOSPEL was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:7
The Bible says that the LAW of God STILL condemns "ALL the WORLD" Rom 2:19-21 as being under sin and in need of salvation -- still ... to this very day.
The SAME Gospel that enables MOSES and Elijah to stand WITH Christ in Matt 17 - has that same power today - even after the cross it has not diminished.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

All i know is i must follow what i hear and see, same as everyone. I believe the goal is to not love this world but to seek heaven instead. Its hard to seek heaven when we are fighting over a holy land, or trying to make our country a Godly nation. THat type of carnal kingdom was what we saw in Israel, but i believe the kingdom of Christ is fulfilled in the spirit instead, which is not an earthly place. I don't make Christ into a liar, i just follow what i see in scripture. People who follow commands from the OT seems to miss the spiritual fulfillment of it, IMO.

I understand where you're coming from but let me offer this from my personal experience. In following the Decalogue, which is an example to us of the character of God, of His Love for us, I have, like David, come to love these Commandments for they show me the heart of God. I can delight in them because I can see that they are Just and Holy and Good. They are not a burden or curse to me because I seek to understand, honour and obey through the Holy Spirit. This was not always where I was at... at first, I tried to keep them because I was supposed to, and slowly, through faithfulness, God has taken me from that place to where I am now. I still have only a dim, ignorant view of God's character but I can now see the blessing that the Decalogue is and can worship God more fully because of it and He can impart this Character to me. Obeying God is not a physical thing we do, it's spiritual.