The 10 Commandments are done away!

[disciple1]

Where in Galatians does it say that?

From what I have Paul wrote Galatians, like most of the new testament, so Galatians is good and useful.

 

[jason1]

 

[disciple1]

There were only about 100 believers in Christ when he died, so I think your video is false.
James chapter 3 verses 1,2
3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
Or is this oral to.

 

[jason1]

How does that have any effect on what "works of the law" means? There was judaism all over the place.

 

[bugkiller]

I'm sorry guys, but you are in gross error:

#1 - You call Jesus a sinner (saying he broke torah). You thus have no perfect lamb.

#2 - You shirk all responsibility of having a standard of righteousness (other than believing). This is not how scripture works and we are given so many examples that obedience = life and disobedience = death. Jesus does play a part, which is the part of redemption (buying back), but the path of salvation is found in keeping the words of Elohim (Jesus is the living word you know - our example).

Jas 2:18 But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works.

(works are acts of torah)

Your religion is empty because these two issues are HUGE. I understand the church teaches these false things and you have been led astray, but you still have time to repent and turn back towards the Creator of the universe and obey every word that proceeds out of his mouth (OT and NT says this)

Jason the Christian has a changed heart and no longer desires to sin (steal covet, lie, etc.). I have no idea why you don't understand this. Since the Christian has a changed heart they no longer need to be told not to sin. They no longer need to consult a rule book. Do you fail to understand where the idea to sin comes from? Is it really your initial idea or an idea you take as your own because you think about it? Satan temps me with sin and I quickly realize that isn't my idea, call on God to take care of the potential problem and its causer and usually am able to dismiss the temptation. The idea that comes into my head isn't my sin until I take passion of it by dwelling on it, then possibly consummating that sinful option. That's when one sins.

bugkiller

 

[jason1]

Since the Christian has a changed heart they no longer need to be told not to sin

The changed heart of the new covenant says the laws will be written on your inward parts. This means you actually do all of the commandments and live them (I think we agree there). The book is still there to be studied so we know it and make it part of us because it is the very words of the living Creator.

Sin comes from breaking the law (torah). We do this because of our ignorance or rebelliousness. When we walk in the spirit we don't break the law and are in obedience.

Most christians eat pork. Therefore I can conclude that they do not have new hearts yet. Most christians don't keep the 7th day set apart. Therefore I can conclude that they do not have new hearts yet. etc etc.

 

[bugkiller]

Jesus was following Moses by not stoning her. Notice they were testing him and he passed this test. The law said that if a MAN and a WOMAN were caught in adultery then they were to be stoned. WHERE WAS THE MAN???????

Maybe the man was slain as he attempted to escape. Does that then mean because the man isn't present because of death the woman isn't guilty and punishable under the law?

Jesus was not breaking the law here. He was teaching that if you eat something dirty it goes into the toilet (Like eating with unclean hands). True defilement is what comes out of your heart. He was in no way changing the kosher laws. Eating pig, shrimp, vulture, mouse, etc are NOT FOOD. Even Noah knew this. Do not twist the scripture.

What? unclean hands go into the toilet? What did God tell Noah concerning you list? Who is twisting the Scripture.

3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. Gen 9

The Disciples were not gathering food. They were walking through a field and simply picking some corn and eating it (not working). Its like passing by an apple tree on the sabbath and picking one to eat. It is not cooking, baking, or any work involved. What they DID BREAK was the ORAL LAW regarding sabbath. No sin there.

No technically they were breaking the law by harvesting. Remember a man lost his life because he picked up sticks. You can argue oral law all you want. If there was any oral law being broken it was eating with unwashed hands. Remember your issue is unwashed hands. Picking corn (most likely wheat berries) is work (gathering food).

The torah says over and over and over for people to repent and turn back to the creator. Elohim pours his heart out for people to obey and promises them great things for doing so. The sacrificial system included ways to restore someone back to standing for unintentional sins. Read Ezekiel 18 and its all about repentance. Read David pouring his heart out about it. Elohim sent prophet after prophet, heard prayers, won battles, etc for his people. Repentance is EVERYWHERE. Have you really read the OT?

It might do you good to repent and come into compliance with Ex 20:8-11. Remember repentance requires a change of heart and thus behavior.

You seem to lack the concept of what righteousness is:

Deu 6:25 ‘And it is righteousness for us when we guard to do all this command before יהוה our Elohim, as He has commanded us.’

The changed heart of the new covenant says the laws will be written on your inward parts. This means you actually do all of the commandments and live them (I think we agree there). The book is still there to be studied so we know it and make it part of us because it is the very words of the living Creator.

Perhaps you should read Romans 4 on this issue of how righteousness is obtained.

The Bible says no where that the covenant given to Israel will be written on anyone's heart. The covenant is the 10 Cs according to Deut 4:13 and was given only to Israel according to Deut 5:3.

Sin comes from breaking the law (torah). We do this because of our ignorance or rebelliousness. When we walk in the spirit we don't break the law and are in obedience.

No sir, You have the law creating sin when the Bible says "sin was in the world before the law (Rom 5:13) and the law was added because of transgression ( Gal 3:19).

Most christians eat pork. Therefore I can conclude that they do not have new hearts yet. Most christians don't keep the 7th day set apart. Therefore I can conclude that they do not have new hearts yet. etc etc.

If you wish to play that game, I conclude that you don't have a new heart because you don't keep the 4th commandment as written.

bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

Sin comes from not loving others and our God as we should. Our sinning has nothing to do with observing rituals given to a nation that failed. Sin has no bearing on what we eat, when we worship or how we conduct our worship. If we believe God's command to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as Jesus commanded us, we are the ones who keeps God’s commands and lives in him, and the Holy Spirit lives in us. We know that Jesus lives in us by the Spirit he gave us.

 

[jason1]

What? unclean hands go into the toilet? What did God tell Noah concerning you list? Who is twisting the Scripture.

Its dirt on those unclean hands that goes into the toilet. Use a little thought power

Picking corn (most likely wheat berries) is work (gathering food).

So if you were sitting under an apple tree on the sabbath, do you really think it would be a sin to reach up and pick and apple and eat it? No, that is silly. Judaism would, however, condemn the practice.

Now if you picked basket loads of apples and then carried those baskets home that would be work. Focus on what the intent of the law is and you will usually arrive at the right conclusions. Picking up sticks in num 15 was an act of defiance according to verse 30.

 

[bugkiller]

The changed heart of the new covenant says the laws will be written on your inward parts. This means you actually do all of the commandments and live them (I think we agree there). The book is still there to be studied so we know it and make it part of us because it is the very words of the living Creator.

Sin comes from breaking the law (torah). We do this because of our ignorance or rebelliousness. When we walk in the spirit we don't break the law and are in obedience.

Most christians eat pork. Therefore I can conclude that they do not have new hearts yet. Most christians don't keep the 7th day set apart. Therefore I can conclude that they do not have new hearts yet. etc etc.

No sir. Jer 31:31-33 has been pointed out to you. That sentence disallows your pov. sorry.

No we don't agree on your point because the NC is not according to the covenant issued to Israel as Jeremiah says.

No sin doesn't come from breaking the law. Adam, Noah, Abraham and even Jacob didn't have the law (the 10 Cs).

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Rom 5

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Gal 3

You come to your point because you ignore the complete verse of I John 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

You read only which isn't in the text.

bugkiller

 

[jason1]

No sin doesn't come from breaking the law

Its funny how two people can read the same thing and have totally different conclusions. It makes one think the other is blind!

1Jn 3:4 Everyone doing sin also does lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

 

[bugkiller]

Its dirt on those unclean hands that goes into the toilet. Use a little thought power

Yes use a little thought power. They weren't eating dirty hands. Their hands isn't what went into the mouths.

So if you were sitting under an apple tree on the sabbath, do you really think it would be a sin to reach up and pick and apple and eat it? No, that is silly. Judaism would, however, condemn the practice.

According to the law that would be working. Remember that man who picked up sticks. I wouldn't call picking up sticks work, but the law does.

Now if you picked basket loads of apples and then carried those baskets home that would be work. Focus on what the intent of the law is and you will usually arrive at the right conclusions. Picking up sticks in num 15 was an act of defiance according to verse 30.

Amount of anything isn't what constitutes work according to the law. Personally I don't think Num 15 was an act of defiance but rather one of unthinking habit. Remember this is what they did in Egypt. They're learning a new behavior.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Its funny how two people can read the same thing and have totally different conclusions. It makes one think the other is blind!

1Jn 3:4 Everyone doing sin also does lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

It is remarkable that anyone posting here doesn't understand the word also.

bugkiller

 

[jason1]

Yes use a little thought power. They weren't eating dirty hands. Their hands isn't what went into the mouths.

Did you even read the passage???

According to the law that would be working.

Do you know what the law even says on this point?

Amount of anything isn't what constitutes work according to the law. Personally I don't think Num 15 was an act of defiance but rather one of unthinking habit. Remember this is what they did in Egypt. They're learning a new behavior.

You didn't read verse 30 which I pointed out to you. It shows the act was defiance. It doesn't matter what you think; its what the scriptures show us. Read the whole chapter if you want the truth.

 

[bugkiller]

That makes no sense. Why bring the woman and not the man? Why make up stories that aren't there?

Why do you think they all went away ashamed?

Why would you assume the guilty man didn't put up a very strong resistance and perhaps lost his life in the struggle knowing he was a dead man anyway?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Did you even read the passage???



Do you know what the law even says on this point?



You didn't read verse 30 which I pointed out to you. It shows the act was defiance. It doesn't matter what you think; its what the scriptures show us. Read the whole chapter if you want the truth.

I'm sorry but you didn't mention v 30. Don't you read what you post?

bugkiller

 

[jason1]

Why would you assume the guilty man didn't put up a very strong resistance and perhaps lost his life in the struggle knowing he was a dead man anyway?

bugkiller

Sure, we can make that up to justify Jesus changing the eternal word of the Creator. That makes the most sense

(or maybe not)

 

[jason1]

I'm sorry but you didn't mention v 30. Don't you read what you post?

bugkiller

Picking up sticks in num 15 was an act of defiance according to verse 30.

 

[bugkiller]

You are correct that there is no sacrifice for willful sins in the levitical system. Yet we see examples of the patriarchs sinning and then repenting (david is a great example). Read Ezekiel 18 and see how sins are dealt with.

Then we come to the NT and I do believe Jesus takes care of willful sins. When we turn to Hebrews 10 we see this:

Heb 10:26 For if we sin purposely after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a slaughter offering for sins.
Heb 10:27 but some fearsome anticipation of judgment, and a fierce fire which is about to consume the opponents.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 How much worse punishment do you think shall he deserve who has trampled the Son of Elohim underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was set apart as common, and insulted the Spirit of favour?

Sounds like we better keep the law even more perfectly now since Jesus only dies once for us. Willful sin from here on out is trampling on his blood.

Then you can't be redeemed (a Christian) according to you because you knowingly break the Sabbath every single week. Posting here is evidence that you access the grid and most likely on the Sabbath as well. That means you hire (have servants) to work for you on the Sabbath. That is expressly forbidden in Ex 20:8-11.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Sure, we can make that up to justify Jesus changing the eternal word of the Creator. That makes the most sense

(or maybe not)

No the complete details of the issue are left out. Remember someone said if the woman was caught so was the man. I certainly agree with that. It takes 2 people to commit that sin.

bugkiller