The 10 Commandments are done away!

[jason1]

It is OK to eat pork.

It is ok to eat pork for a gentile who is not in covenant with the Creator. It is NOT ok if you are in covenant.


Lev 11:45 ‘For I am יהוה who is bringing you up out of the land of Mitsrayim, to be your Elohim. And you shall be set-apart, for I am set-apart.


Lev 11:46 ‘This is the Torah of the beasts and the birds and every living creature that moves in the waters, and of every creature that creeps on the earth,


Lev 11:47 to make a distinction between the unclean and the clean, and between the living creature that is eaten and the living creature that is not eaten.’ "


Isa 65:2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;


Isa 65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;


Isa 65:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;


Isa 65:5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.


Isa 65:6 Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

 

[disciple1]

It is ok to eat pork for a gentile who is not in covenant with the Creator. It is NOT ok if you are in covenant.


Lev 11:45 ‘For I am יהוה who is bringing you up out of the land of Mitsrayim, to be your Elohim. And you shall be set-apart, for I am set-apart.


Lev 11:46 ‘This is the Torah of the beasts and the birds and every living creature that moves in the waters, and of every creature that creeps on the earth,


Lev 11:47 to make a distinction between the unclean and the clean, and between the living creature that is eaten and the living creature that is not eaten.’ "


Isa 65:2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;


Isa 65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;


Isa 65:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;


Isa 65:5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.


Isa 65:6 Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

Mark chapter 7 verse 19
For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
John chapter 7 verse 19

Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?"


You can even eat maggot's if their cooked.

 

[Bob S]

It is ok to eat pork for a gentile who is not in covenant with the Creator. It is NOT ok if you are in covenant.

Are you paraphrasing scriptures someplace because Noah was in a covenant relationship and he was allowed to eat anything he wanted.

 

[Bob S]

Mark chapter 7 verse 19
For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
John chapter 7 verse 19

Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?"


You can even eat maggot's if their cooked.

Where does it say to cook maggots before eating?

 

[jason1]

Mark chapter 7 verse 19
For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
John chapter 7 verse 19

Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?"


You can even eat maggot's if their cooked.

You see those parenthesis or italics added to your "declared all foods clean" verse? That means it was added by the translators and not there.

Unclean animals are not food. Jesus was in no way talking of them. The context was eating with unwashed hands (ORAL LAW)(CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT)

Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, "Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?"
Mar 7:9 And He said to them, "Well do you set aside the command of Elohim, in order to guard your tradition.

Mat 5:18 "For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.

Jesus did not change the law or he would be a sinner (deu 4:2). The food laws are all still intact and there is no scripture pointing otherwise.

 

[disciple1]

You see those parenthesis or italics added to your "declared all foods clean" verse? That means it was added by the translators and not there.

Unclean animals are not food. Jesus was in no way talking of them. The context was eating with unwashed hands (ORAL LAW)(CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT)

Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, "Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?"
Mar 7:9 And He said to them, "Well do you set aside the command of Elohim, in order to guard your tradition.

Mat 5:18 "For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.

Jesus did not change the law or he would be a sinner (deu 4:2). The food laws are all still intact and there is no scripture pointing otherwise.

But you don't obey the law no one does.
Romans chapter 4
4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a]

4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”[b]

9 Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. 12 And he is then also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also follow in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

 

[disciple1]

Where does it say to cook maggots before eating?

I was into survival at one time, they can be eaten.

 

[jason1]

But you don't obey the law no one does.

You keep posting this. Does that mean that you think we shouldn't even try not to sin? Is sinning something good like Martin Luther said so that grace can abound? Sure, nobody can keep the law perfectly, but that doesn't mean we give up. That is madness.

 

[disciple1]

You keep posting this. Does that mean that you think we shouldn't even try not to sin? Is sinning something good like Martin Luther said so that grace can abound? Sure, nobody can keep the law perfectly, but that doesn't mean we give up. That is madness.

If you try not to sin you sin more than if you don't.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[disciple1]

You see those parenthesis or italics added to your "declared all foods clean" verse? That means it was added by the translators and not there.

Unclean animals are not food. Jesus was in no way talking of them. The context was eating with unwashed hands (ORAL LAW)(CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT)

Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, "Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?"
Mar 7:9 And He said to them, "Well do you set aside the command of Elohim, in order to guard your tradition.

Mat 5:18 "For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.

Jesus did not change the law or he would be a sinner (deu 4:2). The food laws are all still intact and there is no scripture pointing otherwise.

You seem to be trying to say there's some other law than what is written, there's no other law than what is written, and there's no other god than the god of the bible.

Ephesians chapter 2 verses 14-19
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two. thus making peace and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently , you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household.

 

[jason1]

Quote: "You seem to be trying to say there's some other law than what is written, there's no other law than what is written, and there's no other god than the god of the bible."

It's called "Oral Law" which judaism adds for their man-made religion. This is founds in their books such as talmud, mishnah, etc. It was the main controversy in the NT that Jesus and Paul had with the religious leaders of the time.

 

[disciple1]

Quote: "You seem to be trying to say there's some other law than what is written, there's no other law than what is written, and there's no other god than the god of the bible."

It's called "Oral Law" which judaism adds for their man-made religion. This is founds in their books such as talmud, mishnah, etc. It was the main controversy in the NT that Jesus and Paul had with the religious leaders of the time.

What about this then, I'll show you in just a few minutes that the law makes people sin.
Galatians chapter 4
Hagar and Sarah
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

 

[disciple1]

What about this then, I'll show you in just a few minutes that the law makes people sin.
Galatians chapter 4
Hagar and Sarah
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[e]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

1 Corinthians chapter 15 verse 56
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

 

[jason1]

Disciple, galations is all about oral law and how it is unneeded and is a form of bondage (and not faith). Paul was making an allegory here (as said in verse 24) between flesh and spirit (doing it our way vs His way).

Can you please tell me what sin is? The definition is in the NT.

 

[disciple1]

Disciple, galations is all about oral law and how it is unneeded and is a form of bondage (and not faith). Paul was making an allegory here (as said in verse 24) between flesh and spirit (doing it our way vs His way).

Can you please tell me what sin is? The definition is in the NT.

Breaking a command of god, as we all do and no one can avoid, so if we follow Christ's and god's example of love were better off because god's commands can't be obeyed, just like the entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself. But we can't even do that. So this way I'm showing you, you can obey, but even if you obey everyone of god's laws except to love your neighbor as yourself, your lost, because if you break one law your guilty of breaking every one of them.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

 

[jason1]

I agree with you in part. We do need a savior because we do sin in the flesh, but that doesn't mean we don't try our best to do everything the Creator of the heavens and earth says. Jesus's example was obediance unto death. That is what we are supposed to do.

The covenant has terms and we have our role to play (obey). It is the same story from the beginning in the garden.

 

[disciple1]

I agree with you in part. We do need a savior because we do sin in the flesh, but that doesn't mean we don't try our best to do everything the Creator of the heavens and earth says. Jesus's example was obediance unto death. That is what we are supposed to do.

The covenant has terms and we have our role to play (obey). It is the same story from the beginning in the garden.

Why not do this instead.
The Parable of the Shrewd Manager
16 Jesus told his disciples: “There was a rich man whose manager was accused of wasting his possessions. 2 So he called him in and asked him, ‘What is this I hear about you? Give an account of your management, because you cannot be manager any longer.’

3 “The manager said to himself, ‘What shall I do now? My master is taking away my job. I’m not strong enough to dig, and I’m ashamed to beg— 4 I know what I’ll do so that, when I lose my job here, people will welcome me into their houses.’

5 “So he called in each one of his master’s debtors. He asked the first, ‘How much do you owe my master?’

6 “‘Nine hundred gallons[a] of olive oil,’ he replied.

“The manager told him, ‘Take your bill, sit down quickly, and make it four hundred and fifty.’

7 “Then he asked the second, ‘And how much do you owe?’

“‘A thousand bushels[b] of wheat,’ he replied.

“He told him, ‘Take your bill and make it eight hundred.’

8 “The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light. 9 I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.

10 “Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much. 11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? 12 And if you have not been trustworthy with someone else’s property, who will give you property of your own?

13 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”

 

[jason1]

I guess i'm failing to see what point you are trying to make. State it for me.

 

[disciple1]

I guess i'm failing to see what point you are trying to make. State it for me.

You can't obey the law, but you can help people like these verses are saying, and they say they will take care of everything.
1 peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Jeremiah chapter 22 verse 16
He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.

 

[jason1]

Question:

Is love part of the law in the OT?
If you can't do the law perfectly, should we throw it out or try our best?
Is sin something we desire to do or desire to stay away from?