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The 10 Commandments are done away!

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I still don't see one explicit quote from Christ where He says God''s ten commandments, or law is null and void.

In fact, His testimony is quite the contrary. Not one jot or iota.

If Jesus was referring to the ten commandments in Matthew 5:18 why does he state :Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus is not referring to the 10 Commandments, but rather he is referring to HIS COMMANDMENTS: which he goes on to speak in the remainder of the sermon on the mount.
 
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Here you clearly state: "Now lets quote Jesus. the Pre-cross OT teaching of Jesus." The Pre-cross teachings of Jesus are the New Covenant Teachings. Why do you infer to the cross as being the point of OT/NT separation? The cross is not where the NT started: it started with the baptism of Jesus.
 
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Your argument isn't with me. I'm the one that says the 10 commandments are not done away.
 
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He didn't violate the Sabbath. That was the argument of the Pharisees. He was showing us how to practice the sabbath - in freedom instead of servitude. The Sabbath today is treated as a chore because its purpose is still misunderstood.

He healed the sick because it wasn't servile work: it was love, selfless work. That is why He scolded the pharisees asking them when the "best time" to heal someone is - since they so wanted to accuse Him of violating the sabbath for doing so.

Christ was calling out the Pharisees thinking, especially its hypocrisy.


Which brings me to the next point: He also did not violate the Justice Laws when He told the hypocritical Pharisees to freely cast the first stone if they are sinless. This was not a violation - again, He was teaching us how to execute this Law the human way.

You execute mercy before justice.

Now, you would think we would know that. But, we didn't - even when God showed mercy we still didn't understand it in our history. Christ was showing us how to properly execute justice and judgment.

But, make no mistake when He comes back it will be with a sword. In other words, the mercy period is almost over, and He is about to execute Judgment . You see, the Law is still in effect right now.

CHRIST NEVER VIOLATED ANY OF THEM.

He also never said His Father''s law is null and void in any way or shape. Quite the contrary, He said "it ain't going anywhere" until Heaven and Earth are gone. (And, depending on what you believe, heaven and earth are founded forever.)

If you want to be His child, then you have to follow His rules - at least acknowledge that they exist and are in effect even if you don't follow them all (grace.)

What parent is going to tell their child that their house rules no longer apply because their big brother followed them all perfectly? That is the rationale behind Christ''s fulfillment of the law, and the nullification of God's law.


So again, where does Christ specifically say that any or all of God''s laws are null and void? He is the only One who can amend, or create laws besides God; as seen above, however, He never actually amended or rejected anything.

Where does Christ say that any law of God is no longer to be followed? Where does God say this? (He actually tells Israel to stop giving Him vain oblations.)

I need it from Christ Himself, not an interpretation.
 
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Your argument isn't with me. I'm the one that says the 10 commandments are not done away.

Oh I see. Well I am really not fighting. I actually want to know. This is a topic I have been a part of, and I have my mind made up now, but I am open to changes. But, something this serious I need more than the usual CF interpretation. I need to hear God or Christ say this, or read it.

It is a huge deal to insinuate that God's law is no longer in effect, so it needs the same type of magnanimity of proof.

But, I will even consider other sources, or apocryphal sources if they show direct quotes from Christ, or God. But, I can't take something like this at man''s word even if it is Paul, Peter, Enoch or Moses.
 
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Interesting, indeed! Never noticed that the wise men and Herod used different words for Jesus before.

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Or, you do.
1st John 5.
If the Decalogue were done away with Jesus wouldn't have taught that it is to be kept when asked, what commandments should we keep?

Jesus and the Disciples kept the ten commandments.
Jesus gave a fool his required answer.

I have a question for you - why did the man leave sorrowfully? Jesus did not disagree with nor condemn him.

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Hmm really? I will repost this for you because you obviously missed it:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

The Literal Hebrew text in verse 32 says NOT THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS...

Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deu 18:16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
Deu 18:17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Peter referring to this text says:
Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Moses clearly said if you don't harken (hear and obey) that prophet (Jesus) God will (as Peter put it) destroy you.

Do you know what it means that Jesus is referred to as the son of David? It means that Jesus is the King and what do kings do? THEY RULE. The Pharisees understood that the Christ was going to sit upon David's throne: as there where many Prophecies that clearly attested to it. Jesus is governor/ruler, do you think Moses is more important than Jesus? All power in heaven and earth was/is given to Jesus do you understand that?

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations...(Mat 28:20) teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is the King: his words are real Christians Law.

Isa 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Isa 55:2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
Isa 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
Isa 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.
Isa 55:5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
Isa 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
Isa 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

You think Jesus law is Moses' law? THEN WHY DOES IT SAY THE ISLES OF THE EARTH WAIT for his law?

The Prophecies are abundant and I can find a multitude more that confirm what is already said. But let me ask you this question: "WHY DO YOU NEED MORE?" In truth it is because you have bought into your beliefs and you don't really care about the evidence that is before you. How sad is it that you don't believe of the Christ what the Pharisees clearly understood: THE MESSIAH HAD/HAS THE RIGHT TO RULE THAT SUPERSEEDED THE RULE OF MOSES. "Moses told us in the law... WHAT DO YOU SAY." Jesus's words are not Moses' and Jesus never kept the law of Moses.

Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus acknowledged breaking the Sabbath and John didn't say the Jews sought to kill him because they said he broke the Sabbath, but rather, John said: HE BROKE THE SABBATH; AND JESUS CLEARLY ACKNOWLEDED DOING SO.

P.S. the Sabbath demanded one not do any work there in:
Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
 
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You still haven't shown where Christ said that God's law is null void or inert.

And, you aren't supposed to do SERVILE work.


Do you think Christ violated the Sabbath with His actions (and therefore, He violated the Law)? Were the pharisees right about Him?
 
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Excellent!!!

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No Heb 8 does not say such a thing.

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Then Jesus lied when He said access to the Father was only through Him in Jn 10 and Jn 14:6. NO one can get to heaven by the law.

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Is it servile work to generate electricity? If so why is it that you demand one to sin?

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I don't believe you would, because it has already been done and rebuffed opposed to refuted.

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that Romans 3 19-20 perfectly makes sense if you know that einstien was wrong and time as a dimension is real.
allow me to preamble.
then you know fourth day of creation represents creations pertenant to time. ( Genesis 1:14 ),
fifth day is pertenant to fifth dimension, which is practically alternate futures from a single moment (fish turns left or right at any moment) Deuteronomy 28:14
sixth day is all 'multiple' 5D moments, plans in all possibility, all possible future actions which have unknown 'non-inevitable' futures.
and 7th day 's 7D is a set of 'all possible futures' which is defined by a law-obeying world's laws. (holy bible is alive from start of our civilisation).
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so the deeds of sin are excluded from the future (by reason of second-death's fire)
but the righteousness of God (Jesus) is revealed.
Jesus said "neither do i condemn you, Go and sin no more".
So Christ's life in us as righteousness is 'witnessed by the law', meaning the law said this is what doesn't happen. And i suppose the prophets were fullfilled by Christ.
 
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Did you miss my post asking if generating electricity was servile work?

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We know that. Your argument is the OC is merely continued.

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