That Boat Don't Float!!

[philadiddle]

Sheesh, how many versions is it going to take before God gets it right?

What do you mean by "getting it right"? Shouldn't it be retranslated as language changes?

 

[philadiddle]

Why do the tags for this thread include things like "creationists rape goats" and "i'll show you a floater"?

I guess that's why it also has the tag "dis place misses modding".

 

[MrJDSmith]

Ask J smith about that one.

what is it that you wish to ask me ?

 

[Hespera]

what is it that you wish to ask me ?

I think I had a different j smith in mind

Anyway, I understand that you dont know anything.

But if you do know, the q was how a person knows that god authored the bible.

 

[Skaloop]

What do you mean by "getting it right"? Shouldn't it be retranslated as language changes?

Language changed 3 times in 77 years for the last four, the same number of times it changed in the previous 1200? And then no more changes in the last 400 years?

 

[AV1611VET]

But if you do know, the q was how a person knows that god authored the bible.

Here's the a:

1 Thessalonians 2:13 ¶ For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

 

[Hespera]

Language changed 3 times in 77 years for the last four, the same number of times it changed in the previous 1200? And then no more changes in the last 400 years?

Anyone who knows 2 or more languages knows that you really cant translate some things.

An easy example is jokes. It took me the longest time to start seeing humour in American jokes.

You can transpose from one language to another, as in music; from violin to trumpet maybe. Sometimes it works better than others. That would be great, with Brahms lullaby! You would sure lose all sense of it.

Trying to do literal reading of the bible seems to me a kind of height of absurdity.

And hubris. Unless our hero has a urim and a thummin?

 

[ExistenceUnknown]

Here's the a:

1 Thessalonians 2:13 ¶ For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Actually, my question was: How does one determine whether the parts of the bible that are disputed by various Christian sects are Divinely inspired or satanically corrupt?

Correct me if I am wrong here AV, but the bible was authored by many people over various periods of time, correct? I am also under the impression that these people were Divinely Inspired to write what they wrote. I am really just curious how you come to your conclusion. If you do not want to answer this question in the public forum feel free to PM if you are worried someone may patronize you.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Actually, my question was: How does one determine whether the parts of the bible that are disputed by various Christian sects are Divinely inspired or satanically corrupt?

The answer would be "Faith," but that's the last thing to expect as an answer.

Correct me if I am wrong here AV, but the bible was authored by many people over various periods of time, correct? I am also under the impression that these people were Divinely Inspired to write what they wrote. I am really just curious how you come to your conclusion. If you do not want to answer this question in the public forum feel free to PM if you are worried someone may patronize you.

If I may answer for AV -- he'll no doubt tell you that (in his opinion) "Divinely inspired" means the same thing as "God stood over their shoulder and whispered in their ear exactly what they were supposed to write, verbatim."

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

The answer would be "Faith," but that's the last thing to expect as an answer.



If I may answer for AV -- he'll no doubt tell you that (in his opinion) "Divinely inspired" means the same thing as "God stood over their shoulder and whispered in their ear exactly what they were supposed to write, verbatim."

Otherwise, it'd be "Diabolical plagarism."

 

[ExistenceUnknown]

The answer would be "Faith," but that's the last thing to expect as an answer.

I would not accept this as an answer, because the other sects of Christianity also have Faith that their interpretation is the correct one. Just as the Muslim has faith that the Qur'an is correct. Just as the Jew has faith that the Tanakh is correct.

If I may answer for AV -- he'll no doubt tell you that (in his opinion) "Divinely inspired" means the same thing as "God stood over their shoulder and whispered in their ear exactly what they were supposed to write, verbatim."

I would expect no less from AV's definition of Divinely Inspired. The question is how does he know the AV was and the NIV wasn't. How does a Religious person put their faith and thus all of their efforts into God based on, what appears to me, a perpetually flawed interpretation?

 

[Nathan Poe]

I would not accept this as an answer, because the other sects of Christianity also have Faith that their interpretation is the correct one. Just as the Muslim has faith that the Qur'an is correct. Just as the Jew has faith that the Tanakh is correct.

Well, there's the rub -- in the end, faith is all any of them have to go on, although most of them are far too afraid to admit it.

People turn to religion for security, and to admit to faith would undermine that -- ironic, isn't it?

I would expect no less from AV's definition of Divinely Inspired. The question is how does he know the AV was and the NIV wasn't. How does a Religious person put their faith and thus all of their efforts into God based on, what appears to me, a perpetually flawed interpretation?

AV will never admit to faith, so prepare yourself for a lot of tediously baseless assertions.

 

[SkyWriting]

Why? First, why are they inadequate, and second, why must they be overridden by law? Especially since scientific definitions are generally more accurate and descriptive than legal definitions. I mean, by law, the maximum speed is 60 mph, but by science, it is much much more than that.

Hey, It's in the laws of your own state. Go figure yourself out.

 

[SkyWriting]

Actually, my question was: How does one determine whether the parts of the bible that are disputed by various Christian sects are Divinely inspired or satanically corrupt?..

Just consider the sources, of courses.

Now if YOU have any such "part" to dispute....fire away.
Let's decide which and why. It's the Berean way.

 

[SkyWriting]

I was under the impression that the Comma Johanneum was not in many of the bibles that preceded the AV... such as the Codex Sinaiticus (4th Century). In fact the way I understand it, it only showed up in scripture sometime in the middle ages.

So how does one decide if it showed up as a result of Divine Inspiration or Satan. Perhaps, one could even conclude that it first showed up as a result of Satan and was removed in the NIV due to divine intervention. It all seems so confusing.

Yes. You are indeed confused. Just try bypass all the words. Praying is the answer.
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's the Berean way.

Indeed!
Acts 17:
10 ¶ And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

 

[Hespera]

Yes. You are indeed confused. Just try bypass all the words. Praying is the answer.
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

Prayer equally validates all religions of course.

As for seeing the invisible nature of a creator, yes, look upon his works. And in doing so you will have no excuse for not knowing the true nature of the "god" you worship. So all of "his" works should be equally pleasing and worshipful. this should give one much to contemplate and admire.

 

[SkyWriting]

For the sake of argument I will agree with you that God authored the Bible. Would you explain to me why your interpretation of his words are the correct interpretation, and why say, Christians who don't interpret literally are wrong?

It's a process of interpretation that begins with the assumption that the
most literal or natural understanding of a passage hold the greatest
benefit to the reader as a message from God to us.

The opposite assumption gets the opposite result.

Being wrong in Science is celebrated because it means we have an opportunity to learn.

So if I tell you that studies show that Science doesn't work that way,
you're going to jump for joy and be all happy and set out to prove
that I'm right just to you can see how wrong you are. I've been around Scientists for 20 years.
Can you guess what REALLY happens when told they are wrong?
In your imagination they jump for joy because:

Learning about the world around us is really all it is about.

I've seen Scientists escorted out of the building by security after they react to being told they were wrong.

In fact, there is one guy here who started this thread who refuses to believe a large boat could be built out of wood. He has nothing but anecdotal stories of wooden boats sinking to back up his claim that a large wooded boat is impossible to build. Does that sound Scientific in any way to you? A WOOD boat. Is that some impossible thing to imagine? List of world's largest wooden ships



Hey, I just read that the theory of gradual, accumulative changing of species has been debunked. And not one Celebration occurred. I don't even think one is planned.

This particular story is not as clear on that point as others I've read.

 

[SkyWriting]

Indeed!
... in that they received the word
with all readiness of mind,
and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

The solution for the befuddled mind....all spelled out.

 

[AV1611VET]

The solution for the befuddled mind....all spelled out.

Yes, indeed!

And yet they refuse to see it.