Ten Reasons I'm a Sabbatarian [moved thread]

[ICONO'CLAST]

The Lords day of rest is the seventh day Sabbath Exodus 20:8-11 Isaiah 58:13 Genesis 2:1-3 and there’s no scripture that says otherwise which is probably why you didn’t quote scripture to support this idea.

Those verses do not speak of the Lotds day, but rather the ot mosaic sabbath.
We are not in the old covenant now.
The church assembled on the first day

 

[Leaf473]

Most Christians understand that the letter of the law doesn't apply to them. So most Christian farmers use modern combines which harvest to the edge of the field and leave no gleanings behind.

Leviticus 19
When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field, neither shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest.

The same thinking is true of Sabbath commandments.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

I agree with most of your statements. I cannot find anything in the new covenant that demands Gentiles and new covenant Christians to worship on the day given only to Israel. Until it is established in scripture that God demands Christians and Gentiles to accept the old Israelite Sabbath, all the rhetoric is for naught.

In rev 1 John said he was in the Spirit on THE LORDS DAY..what is that?
1 cor.16:2 They gathered on the first day of the week

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Most Christians understand that the letter of the law doesn't apply to them. So most Christian farmers use modern combines which harvest to the edge of the field and leave no gleanings behind.

Leviticus 19
When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field, neither shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest.

The same thinking is true of Sabbath commandments.

Hello leaf, i see how you are appealing to the ot. Scripture to make a case.
I just think the early church showed the nt.pattern.
Still one day in 7 as per the ten commandments, but as mt 28:1, 1cor16:2 indicate, a change to remember new creation rest new exodus in Jesus.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Those verses do not speak of the Lotds day, but rather the ot mosaic sabbath.
We are not in the old covenant now.
The church assembled on the first day

You're argument appears to be with the text and perhaps the reason you didn't provide scriputral support for your statements.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

The primary day of worship did not change in the scripture or with the apostles.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Instead of saying we were in church every first day

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Instead of staying tomorrow on the first day we will hear the word of God.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Instead of saying tomorrow on the first day we will preach to you.


Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Instead of saying we learn about God's Word on the first day


Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Instead of saying Paul's custom was to reason from the scriptures on the first day

It appears the text is what people have conflict with....

 

[Leaf473]

Hello leaf, i see how you are appealing to the ot. Scripture to make a case.
I just think the early church showed the nt.pattern.
Still one day in 7 as per the ten commandments, but as mt 28:1, 1cor16:2 indicate, a change to remember new creation rest new exodus in Jesus.

Sure, if you believe that the church has the final authority over the interpretation of scripture. Not saying I disbelieve that, I'm undecided.

That is the position of the Catholic Church, I believe.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

You're argument appears to be with the text and perhaps the reason you didn't provide scriputral support for your statements.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

The primary day of worship did not change in the scripture or with the apostles.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Instead of saying we were in church every first day

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Instead of staying tomorrow on the first day we will hear the word of God.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Instead of saying tomorrow on the first day we will preach to you.


Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Instead of saying we learn about God's Word on the first day


Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Instead of saying Paul's custom was to reason from the scriptures on the first day

It appears the text is what people have conflict with....

Unsaved Jews met on saturday as they do today.They went to them to bring the gospel

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Sure, if you believe that the church has the final authority over the interpretation of scripture. Not saying I disbelieve that, I'm undecided.

That is the position of the Catholic Church, I believe.

No...I believe scripture determines it, not Rome.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Unsaved Jews met on saturday as they do today.They went to them to bring the gospel

Again, your statement is not something found in the scriptures.

Are you implying that the apostle's are unsaved since they met every Sabbath to preach the Word of God? Same with Jesus? Luke 4:16

Perhaps you missed that both Jews, and Gentiles met to hear God's Word on the Sabbath and whole cities.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
I
Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Again, your statement is not something found in the scriptures.

Are you implying that the apostle's are unsaved since they met every Sabbath to preach the Word of God? Same with Jesus? Luke 4:16

So, did unsaved Jews not meet on Saturday? If not, on what day(s) did they meet?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So, did unsaved Jews not meet on Saturday? If not, on what day(s) did they meet?

We don't know who is saved or unsaved and that's not our job. God is everyone's righteous judge. The scripture I am posting has nothing to do with your statement. Is Jesus unsaved because He kept His Fathers commandments as our example including the Sabbath. John 15:10, Luke 4:16. This argument is insane. There is so much effort all over this one commandment instead of just obeying it the way God asks.

 

[bbbbbbb]

We don't know who is saved or unsaved and that's not our job. God is everyone's righteous judge. The scripture I am posting has nothing to do with your statement. Is Jesus unsaved because He kept His Fathers commandments as our example including the Sabbath. John 15:10, Luke 4:16. This argument is insane. There is so much effort all over this one commandment instead of just obeying it the way God asks.

Why did the apostles go to the synagogues if not to preach the gospel to the lost Jews?

To rephrase my question, were the Jews in the book of the Acts meeting on Saturdays or some other day(s)?

 

[Leaf473]

No...I believe scripture determines it, not Rome.

Well... I'll be interested to see how the discussion goes between you and people who believe that the scripture determines a different interpretation.

The Peace of the Lord be with you always!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Why did the apostles go to the synagogues if not to preach the gospel to the lost Jews?

To rephrase my question, were the Jews in the book of the Acts meeting on Saturdays or some other day(s)?

The apostles were preaching to both Jews and Gentiles on the Sabbath. Please show me where in the commandment it says the Sabbath is for the Jews? The Sabbath is described by God as His holy day, and we are made in His image to follow Him. Which is why Jesus made it clear the Sabbath is made for human beings (man) so unless one is not a human being Jesus said it was made for you. Matthew 2:27


Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
If there was a new day of worship, this would have been the perfect time to say, the first day is the holy day for Gentiles, but instead the Word of God was preached to the Gentile the next Sabbath, not the next first day.

It's really hard to have a discussion on scripture when once seems to value their opinion as if it were equal to God's Word. Unless you have specific scriptures to discuss, I may just bow out and let the scriptures I posted speak for themselves. Take care.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Again, your statement is not something found in the scriptures.

Are you implying that the apostle's are unsaved since they met every Sabbath to preach the Word of God? Same with Jesus? Luke 4:16

Perhaps you missed that both Jews, and Gentiles met to hear God's Word on the Sabbath and whole cities.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
I
Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Yes...it is found in scripture.
They went there because scripture was there.
Gentiles were not known for hanging out having Bible study.
Jesus had told them before the destruction of Jerusalem, pray that your flight be not on the sabbath.
That is all the Jews knew.

 

[Leaf473]

About the idea that Paul attended synagogue on the Sabbath (for any reason), therefore we should as well:

Paul also tried to get to Jerusalem in time for Pentecost.
Acts 20
For Paul had determined to sail past Ephesus, that he might not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hastening, if it were possible for him, to be in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost.

And he performed a ritual circumcision.
Acts 16
Paul wanted to have him (Timothy) go out with him, and he took and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts; for they all knew that his father was a Greek.

So we follow Paul as he followed Christ, but we don't do everything that he did.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes...it is found in scripture.
They went there because scripture was there.
Gentiles were not known for hanging out having Bible study.
Jesus had told them before the destruction of Jerusalem, pray that your flight be not on the sabbath.
That is all the Jews knew.

Well this appears to contradict the scriptures I provided and you have not provided anything other than your opinion.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

I’m not sure how you think Jesus expecting His people to keep the Sabbath day decades after He ascended back to heaven helps your case in Matthew 24:20.

Unless you would like to provide scriptures to your posts, I may just bow out, it's hard to reason with opinions over God's Word because they are not on equal ground.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The apostles were preaching to both Jews and Gentiles on the Sabbath. Please show me where in the commandment it says the Sabbath is for the Jews? The Sabbath is described by God as His holy day, and we are made in His image to follow Him. Which is why Jesus made it clear the Sabbath is made for human beings (man) so unless one is not a human being Jesus said it was made for you. Matthew 2:27


Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
If there was a new day of worship, this would have been the perfect time to say, the first day is the holy day for Gentiles, but instead the Word of God was preached to the Gentile the next Sabbath, not the next first day.

It's really hard to have a discussion on scripture when once seems to value their opinion as if it were equal to God's Word. Unless you have specific scriptures to discuss, I may just bow out and let the scriptures I posted speak for themselves. Take care.

How many Gentiles were in the synagogues on Saturday? Hint, you have provided the answer yourself here -

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

The Jews, not the Gentiles, were in the synagogue. When they came out of the synagogue the news was spread to the Gentiles and the Gentiles begged to hear the message on the following Sabbath.

In verse 44, which you also quoted, on the following Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. Did they pack themselves into the small synagogue or come together in a large venue, such as a large courtyard?

Paul explicitly stated in Romans 1:16 that the gospel was preached to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

How many Gentiles were in the synagogues on Saturday? Hint, you have provided the answer yourself here -

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

The Jews, not the Gentiles, were in the synagogue. When they came out of the synagogue the news was spread to the Gentiles and the Gentiles begged to hear the message on the following Sabbath.

In verse 44, which you also quoted, on the following Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. Did they pack themselves into the small synagogue or come together in a large venue, such as a large courtyard?

Paul explicitly stated in Romans 1:16 that the gospel was preached to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles.

The gentiles were peached to on the Sabbath according to the scriptures, which makes a case for commandment-keeping instead of commandment-breaking.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The gentiles were peached to on the Sabbath according to the scriptures, which makes a case for commandment-keeping instead of commandment-breaking.

Right! The Jews, who were bound by the Old Covenant, kept the Sabbath and met in synagogues (although there is nothing at all in the Law about synagogues) and the Gentiles did not. Paul also rented the school of Tyrannus in Ephesus where he taught each and every day of the week to both Jews and Gentiles. Does that mean that God expects Christians to go to church each and every day of the week because that is the example we have in scripture?