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Taking Questions on Creationism

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It confirms God's Truth in Genesis. That means that it is proof of God and since we are living in the last days before Jesus returns, it confirms my Faith. When they find Adam's firmament in Lake Van, you too, will begin proclaiming God's Truth. Amen?
When they find Adam's firmament in Lake Van I will proclaim that they have found it.

When they find a seven legged dragon I will proclaim that they have found it.

Why are we reduced to discussing fictitious findings, when there are so many real findings down there?
 
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Lake where?

Lake Van, Turkey, where the Ark arrived, inside Adam's firmament, 11,000 years ago. According to History, Human civilization began in the mountains of Ararat. Here's the evidence. Lake Van is the big Lake between Mt Ararat and the beginning of the Fertile Crescent: Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Where do you suppose the 450 ft long Ark arrived?
 
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No, no, it's because I have no reason to consider any Gods in my view because of all the evidence that supports that view in the first place.

Good. Can you tell us WHY you haven't told us which ancient man wrote that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from water as Genesis 1:21 clearly states? Science AGREES and it's evidence that God wrote Genesis and NOT any man of the time. Behold LUCA, the Last Universal Common Ancestor of Life on Earth ... https://www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life...

Waiting..., since no other evolutionist has been able to explain....

What happens to the billions of people who never hear about your religion and for that matter, your particular interpretation of it?

One is saved by his Faith in God's Truth. Do you believe Him? Those who don't are called the lost.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

Yes, but currently He is filling the 3rd Heaven with believers. In the last days He is pouring out His Spirit of Truth upon all flesh. Act 2:17 Do you think atheists and agnostics will believe Him when Science confirms His Truth in Genesis? After all, they will be left "without excuse". Rom 1:20 Everything is happening just as He told us in Genesis chapter one. Soon, Jesus will return to fulfill the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31. The end of the present 6th Day is future to 2018.
 
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One is saved by his Faith in God's Truth. Do you believe Him? Those who don't are called the lost.
No, I am one of the "lost." I believe that we are save by faith in Christ's life, death and bodily resurrection, not in the literal inerrancy of Genesis.
 
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The mountains of Ararat.

Lake Van is the 75 mile wide Lake in the mountains of Ararat. A 450 ft long boat would break apart if it was on top of a mountain. It would be the end of Noah's family IF the boat was on top of 16k ft Mt Ararat, especially in the Snow. Noah stayed inside the Ark for 2 months from the first of January until the end of February Gen 8:13 and didn't leave until commanded by God. Doesn't fit IF the Ark was on top of a mountain. Amen?
 
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Of course, since I support my view with the agreement of Scripture, science and history. I'll just have to wait for Jesus to show us where Adam's firmament is.

And here's what's got me curious, since neither Scripture not History put Adam's world at the bottom of Lake Van, which only leaves science.

How did you come to that conclusion, scientifically speaking?
 
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Lake Van is the 75 mile wide Lake in the mountains of Ararat. A 450 ft long boat would break apart if it was on top of a mountain. It would be the end of Noah's family IF the boat was on top of 16k ft Mt Ararat, especially in the Snow. Noah stayed inside the Ark for 2 months from the first of January until the end of February Gen 8:13 and didn't leave until commanded by God. Doesn't fit IF the Ark was on top of a mountain. Amen?
What did the mountains of Ararat look like back then?

Like it does now?

Isn't that called uniformitarianism?

And isn't uniformitarianism a lie of the devil that attracts scientists?
 
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The mountains of Ararat.
Ha! So aman isn't giving us the straight scoop when he said people lived on a floating firmament on Lake Van, and a few people escaped on an ark when the firmament sank?

I agree. Aman does not have the story straight.
 
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Doesn't fit IF the Ark was on top of a mountain. Amen?
Ah, so when we read the bible we can reject what does not fit?

Talking snakes, talking donkeys, and fish swallowing people do not fit.
 
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No, I am one of the "lost." I believe that we are save by faith in Christ's life, death and bodily resurrection, not in the literal inerrancy of Genesis.

Where did you get that Faith to believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Do you think people rise from the dead? Or is your Faith only available to those who think like you? We are saved by the Faith we have obtained from God the Father, not of ourselves, but as the Gift of God. Therefore, He gets ALL the glory, in my view.

Eph 2:8 For by grace (unmerited reward) are ye saved through faith; and that (faith) not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

That's God's written Truth in His Holy Word. Can we believe only the Scriptures which agree with our denomination's view? Or should we seek the Gift of God?
 
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Where did you get that Faith to believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Do you think people rise from the dead? Or is your Faith only available to those who think like you? We are saved by the Faith we have obtained from God the Father, not of ourselves, but as the Gift of God. Therefore, He gets ALL the glory, in my view.

Eph 2:8 For by grace (unmerited reward) are ye saved through faith; and that (faith) not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

That's God's written Truth in His Holy Word. Can we believe only the Scriptures which agree with our denomination's view? Or should we seek the Gift of God?
So you think Ephesians 2:8 is about the genre determination of Genesis?
 
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Ha! So aman isn't giving us the straight scoop when he said people lived on a floating firmament on Lake Van, and a few people escaped on an ark when the firmament sank?

I agree. Aman does not have the story straight.

Sure I do. The firmament was the solid boundary of Adam's world/universe which God called Heaven. It was immersed in water with water above and below it and it protected Adam's Earth for billions of years from the water which totally surrounded it. The firmament arrived on planet Earth some 11k years ago in the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4 It sank after the windows on top of the firmament were opened and it rained for 40 days and nights. The firmament filled with water and sank allowing Adam's small flat Earth to dissolve in the flood, while releasing the 450 ft long barge into Lake Van, on the 150th day/5 months AFTER the flood began. Want the entire story? Scripturally?
 
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Ha! So aman isn't giving us the straight scoop when he said people lived on a floating firmament on Lake Van, and a few people escaped on an ark when the firmament sank?
I don't know anything about Lake Van.

Never heard of it.

I'm sure Noah never heard of New Jersey, despite the fact that he lived there.
 
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Ah, so when we read the bible we can reject what does not fit?

Talking snakes, talking donkeys, and fish swallowing people do not fit.

I talk to sneaky snakes everyday online. I know their names and i also know the blabbering donkeys, but I don't know fish swallowing people here, except people that eat suchi. The story of Jonah is simple since God made the first Heaven like a submarine and placed it in the midst of middle of water. Gen 1:6-8 Should'ave been easy to make a smaller one to swallow ole Jonah. Amen?
 
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So you think Ephesians 2:8 is about the genre determination of Genesis?

God gives His Gift of Faith so that one can believe that Jesus died for our sins, was buried and arose the third day, according to the Scriptures. 1Co 15:1-8 How can we believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures, and not believe that God wrote the entire Bible? He did, from inside the men who penned the words. 2Pe 1:21 That's God's Literal Truth. God Bless you
 
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God gives His Gift of Faith so that one can believe that Jesus died for our sins, was buried and arose the third day, according to the Scriptures. How can we believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures, and not believe that God wrote the entire Bible? He did, from inside the men who penned the words. 2Pe 1:21 That's God's Literal Truth. God Bless you
So? That doesn't have anything to do with the genre determination of Genesis either.
 
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And here's what's got me curious, since neither Scripture not History put Adam's world at the bottom of Lake Van, which only leaves science.

How did you come to that conclusion, scientifically speaking?

The firmament was the solid boundary of Adam's world. It was totally self sufficient which means it could be moved anywhere within the Multiverse. It was first in the midst of water and later brought to our world. When the windows on top of the firmament were opened and it rained for 40 days and nights, the bottom of the firmament sank releasing the Ark into Lake Van, Turkey 11,000 years ago. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

History agrees and the first Human farming began, showing that Noah was the first Human to walk on our planet. Noah's grandsons married some of the prehistoric women on our planet and the children inherited Adam's superior intelligence, which was like God's. Gen 3:22 Today's Humans are the result. We have Adam's superior intelligence AND the DNA and ERVs of prehistoric people inside us. Amen?
 
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