Taking Questions on Creationism

[AV1611VET]

Discussing creation without mentioning fossils?

That would be like reading your obituary in the newspaper.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

QV my new thread: Let's Set The Fossil Record Straight

That doesn't really address any of my post - it's not just about the crude order of phyla in the stratigraphic record, it's the appearance of a detailed and consistent history for the observable universe.

 

[AV1611VET]

That doesn't really address any of my post - it's not just about the crude order of phyla in the stratigraphic record, it's the appearance of a detailed and consistent history for the observable universe.

Not in Genesis 1 though.

 

[Aman777]

Again, No. There is no evidence of any other dimension, or firmament, or whatever, and in order for any organism to be able to reproduce with any other, their DNA has to be very similar, something that would only occur if they were already an interbreeding part of the population, not separate and introduced.

The first firmament, which God called Heaven Gen 1:8 was immersed completely in Water AND made the 2nd Day. Our Cosmos was NOT made until the end of the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 The Scoffers of the last days will be "willingly ignorant" that Adam's firmament/heaven perished, which in Greek means destroyed totally. 2Pet3:3-7 Are you a Scoffer of the last days of this Earth?

which doesn't agree with Science because Humans didn't exist before plants, herbs and trees.

Adam did, since he was made the 3rd Day, the SAME Day the first Earth was made but BEFORE plants, herbs and trees. Gen 2:4-7 Adam was NOT made of flesh, but was made in the likeness of Jesus, with a Shekinah Glory or brightness which completely surrounded him. Noah's grandsons passed Adam's superior intelligence Gen 3:22 to the prehistoric people who were already on planet Earth when the Ark arrived. Science agrees since today's Humans have the DNA and ERVs of prehistoric people in our genetics. Science mistakenly classifies prehistoric people as "Humans" (descendants of Adam). This doesn't disagree with Factual Science but with the False ToE, which is the biggest Satanic lie ever told.

which doesn't agree with Science because humans come about naturally like every other living organism, descended from the Great Apes and aren't created.

Amen, but when Humans are born again Spiritually by the Trinity, we become immortal, Spiritually in Christ and destined to be like Adam was BEFORE the fall. Science is "willingly ignorant" 2Pet3:3 of being born again Spiritually because it is blind to God's Truth since it has REJECTED God's Truth in Genesis. Amen?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Not in Genesis 1 though.

Genesis 1 just doesn't match the real world.

 

[AV1611VET]

Genesis 1 just doesn't match the real world.

Why would it?

This planet was a theocracy back then.

The closest we will come to Genesis 1 again is when Jesus Christ rules and reigns in His millennial kingdom.

 

[BradB]

Hold it right there cowboy. None of those quotes is from Deuteronomy, as I had asked. Yes, of course, I am aware of what the New Testament says about the law. My point is what the law says about the law. If you read Deuteronomy you will see something quite different.

No the reading of the Law will not say this. The law is the required standard you and I must measure up to if we are trying to measure up on our own. Cursed is the one who does not fulfill the requirements of the law. That means lying, stealing, adultery, murder... but losing your temper is equal to murder. Lusting after someone who is not your spouse is adultery. Not only must you keep the commandments you must keep them in your heart. And guess what... you can't. No one can. Jesus is the only one who ever kept the entire law. On the cross He made a way to exchange His perfect life for your's and my flawed one.

 

[BradB]

Happy New Years, AV.

Have you come up with an explanation for why it is that every time we find a nonavian dino fossil the layers date to be older than 60 million years old, but every human fossil dates in the last million years?

Have you ever picked up a rock or fossil and found the date stamped on it somewhere? No? Well then how do you know how old it is?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

The first firmament, which God called Heaven Gen 1:8 was immersed completely in Water AND made the 2nd Day. Our Cosmos was NOT made until the end of the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 The Scoffers of the last days will be "willingly ignorant" that Adam's firmament/heaven perished, which in Greek means destroyed totally. 2Pet3:3-7 Are you a Scoffer of the last days of this Earth?

Nope, I don't live as long as those days you talk about, the days you speak of last billions of actual years for the rest of us, so we're fine here thanks! I'll never last even one of your days, let alone several... I'm certain you're idea of "first firmament" even being a thing in the first place is just your "reinterpretation" of the Bible that makes absolutely no reference to it.

Adam did, since he was made the 3rd Day, the SAME Day the first Earth was made but BEFORE plants, herbs and trees. Gen 2:4-7 Adam was NOT made of flesh, but was made in the likeness of Jesus, with a Shekinah Glory or brightness which completely surrounded him. Noah's grandsons passed Adam's superior intelligence Gen 3:22 to the prehistoric people who were already on planet Earth when the Ark arrived. Science agrees since today's Humans have the DNA and ERVs of prehistoric people in our genetics. Science mistakenly classifies prehistoric people as "Humans" (descendants of Adam). This doesn't disagree with Factual Science but with the False ToE, which is the biggest Satanic lie ever told.

and Science doesn't agree with your reinterpretation of it. How long are you suggesting Adam lived for, billions of years now?? This is just unfounded conjecture on your part...

Amen, but when Humans are born again Spiritually by the Trinity, we become immortal, Spiritually in Christ and destined to be like Adam was BEFORE the fall. Science is "willingly ignorant" 2Pet3:3 of being born again Spiritually because it is blind to God's Truth since it has REJECTED God's Truth in Genesis. Amen?

Science is about as "willingly ignorant" of being born again as it is about Hercules being the Son of Zeus.

 

[pitabread]

Have you ever picked up a rock or fossil and found the date stamped on it somewhere? No? Well then how do you know how old it is?

Chronological dating - Wikipedia

Also, Geochronology - Wikipedia

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Have you ever picked up a rock or fossil and found the date stamped on it somewhere? No? Well then how do you know how old it is?

Actually, there are date stamps intrinsic to the rock if you know how to look for it - Radiometric Dating is the "go-to" on that.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Have you ever picked up a rock or fossil and found the date stamped on it somewhere? No? Well then how do you know how old it is?

Chronological dating - Wikipedia

oh yeah, and That too....

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

No the reading of the Law will not say this. The law is the required standard you and I must measure up to if we are trying to measure up on our own. Cursed is the one who does not fulfill the requirements of the law. That means lying, stealing, adultery, murder... but losing your temper is equal to murder. Lusting after someone who is not your spouse is adultery. Not only must you keep the commandments you must keep them in your heart. And guess what... you can't. No one can. Jesus is the only one who ever kept the entire law. On the cross He made a way to exchange His perfect life for your's and my flawed one.

Yet in Heaven, you believe those who are there have made it there in-tact, complete with their imperfections (otherwise they aren't whole) and Heaven is still in one piece, right? Why not institute whatever is keeping Heaven in order, here on earth? That would be much easier on Everyone concerned...

 

[Aman777]

Nope, I don't live as long as those days you talk about, the days you speak of last billions of actual years for the rest of us, so we're fine here thanks! I'll never last even one of your days, let alone several... I'm certain you're idea of "first firmament" even being a thing in the first place is just your "reinterpretation" of the Bible that makes absolutely no reference to it.

Can you read? If so notice that Adam's firmament, which God called HEAVEN, was made the 2nd Day. Gen 1:8 Then read Gen 2:4 which says that Lord God made other HEAVENS (plural) on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made. Gen 1:10 That makes at least THREE Heavens/firmaments made. Amen?

and Science doesn't agree with your reinterpretation of it. How long are you suggesting Adam lived for, billions of years now?? This is just unfounded conjecture on your part...

Adam was made to live forever and lived in a perfect body like the perfect bodies Christians will have in the 3rd Heaven. Billions of years is nothing to an immortal being. Amen?

Science is about as "willingly ignorant" of being born again as it is about Hercules being the Son of Zeus.

Factual Science agrees in every way with Scripture and History. The false assumptions of men, such as the False ToE, are not Science and neither do they agree with anything else. Want to try to defend the false ToE? Waiting...

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Can you read? If so notice that Adam's firmament, which God called HEAVEN, was made the 2nd Day. Gen 1:8 Then read Gen 2:4 which says that Lord God made other HEAVENS (plural) on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made. Gen 1:10 That makes at least THREE Heavens/firmaments made. Amen?

Oh, I can read just Fine. It's all that invisible writing you're seeing in between (read: reinterpreting & adding to scripture) I'm not getting. In fact, it's certainly not just me. For every Christian you can find that agrees with you, I bet I can find 10 Christians that Don't! You are literally in the minority on your invisible reinterpretation of the Bible.

Adam was made to live forever and lived in a perfect body like the perfect bodies Christians will have in the 3rd Heaven. Billions of years is nothing to an immortal being. Amen?

Unfounded conjecture.

Factual Science agrees in every way with Scripture and History. The false assumptions of men, such as the False ToE, are not Science and neither do they agree with anything else. Want to try to defend the false ToE? Waiting...

But it doesn't as I've demonstrated ad-nauseum. Your ignorance of the Science you don't like is not an adequate refutation for any rational thinking person. As you've demonstrated, Science doesn't agree with the bible (even your reinterpreted version) and you acknowledge with your own words that you literally ignore the very science that disproves your assertions. How dishonest can you be?

 

[doubtingmerle]

Have you ever picked up a rock or fossil and found the date stamped on it somewhere? No? Well then how do you know how old it is?

By using isochrons, for instance, to figure out the original Rb and Sr in the rock and how long it took to get to its current state.

Or one or more of the other available methods.

 

[Aman777]

Oh, I can read just Fine. It's all that invisible writing you're seeing in between (read: reinterpreting & adding to scripture) I'm not getting. In fact, it's certainly not just me. For every Christian you can find that agrees with you, I bet I can find 10 Christians that Don't! You are literally in the minority on your invisible reinterpretation of the Bible.

I'm a Christian who is living in the last days when "increased knowledge" shows that Genesis could NOT have been authored by men. God told Daniel HOW He hid His Truth in plain sight:

Dan 12:4 ¶ But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Haven't you noticed that I have no problem with Bible Believing Christians? My brethren in Christ recognize that my view agrees with God's Holy Word. Am I surprised that you disagree with all of us? Christians are those who have been saved by FAITH and that includes me.

But it doesn't as I've demonstrated ad-nauseum. Your ignorance of the Science you don't like is not an adequate refutation for any rational thinking person. As you've demonstrated, Science doesn't agree with the bible (even your reinterpreted version) and you acknowledge with your own words that you literally ignore the very science that disproves your assertions. How dishonest can you be?

False, since I have NO disagreement with Science but ONLY with the false assumptions of the Theory of Evolution, which is NOT factual Science, but instead, is the consensus view of godless men who have REJECTED God's Truth in Genesis.

 

[Speedwell]

False, since I have NO disagreement with Science but ONLY with the false assumptions of the Theory of Evolution, which is NOT factual Science, but instead, is the consensus view of godless men who have REJECTED God's Truth in Genesis.

Along with Godly men who reject your interpretation of Genesis or have never heard of it.

 

[Aman777]

Along with Godly men who reject your interpretation of Genesis or have never heard of it.

Amen, but they will. I have God's word for it:

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

See? Scoffers/unbelievers in the last days before Jesus returns. will falsely teach children that nothing has changed from the beginning, in elementary School.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

See? Adam's world, the one that THEN WAS (past tense) was totally destroyed in the flood but the Scoffers forgot about the flood when they made up their false ToE and have force taught this lie, to the world's children. In order to be sure, read the next verse:

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Godless Science, in the last days before Jesus returns, will be willingly ignorant of the above Truth. We live today at that time. Notice that they will be "willingly" ignorant of the Truth, which also means that someone is going to tell them. Otherwise, they would just be ignorant. Amen?

 

[PsychoSarah]

No the reading of the Law will not say this. The law is the required standard you and I must measure up to if we are trying to measure up on our own. Cursed is the one who does not fulfill the requirements of the law. That means lying, stealing, adultery, murder... but losing your temper is equal to murder. Lusting after someone who is not your spouse is adultery. Not only must you keep the commandments you must keep them in your heart. And guess what... you can't. No one can. Jesus is the only one who ever kept the entire law. On the cross He made a way to exchange His perfect life for your's and my flawed one.

Jesus is the only one that SUPPOSEDLY kept the entire law. It's not like people could read his mind, and to be blunt, it is very, very easy to make someone think about killing someone just by saying "think about killing [insert name]". To not experience thoughts and emotions as even remotely contagious is to entirely lack empathy and to have a thought process so alien as to not even be comparable to a human thought process.

And, no, this doesn't allude to said thought process being godlike. It'd be a thought process so limited that anyone with it wouldn't have the capacity to have certain thoughts or understand concepts such as murder. And I am pretty sure Jesus expresses an understanding of how harming other people works.