Taking Questions on Creationism

[Strathos]

Why would it?

This planet was a theocracy back then.

The closest we will come to Genesis 1 again is when Jesus Christ rules and reigns in His millennial kingdom.

Different forms of government don't change physical evidence.

 

[doubtingmerle]

No the reading of the Law will not say this. The law is the required standard you and I must measure up to if we are trying to measure up on our own. Cursed is the one who does not fulfill the requirements of the law. That means lying, stealing, adultery, murder... but losing your temper is equal to murder. Lusting after someone who is not your spouse is adultery. Not only must you keep the commandments you must keep them in your heart. And guess what... you can't. No one can. Jesus is the only one who ever kept the entire law. On the cross He made a way to exchange His perfect life for your's and my flawed one.

So you go back to repeating what the New Testament says about the law? Why do you ignore what the law says about the law? Nowhere does the law say it cannot be followed. Nowhere does the law talk about heaven or hell or salvation by Grace. Repeatedly it promises Gods blessing on earth for following it.

I had been taught the same things about the law that you teach. But when I read it for what it said, it was obvious to me that this was not written with the intention the new testament claims.

So I suppose you will just ignore it again and once more repeat what the New Testament says about it, yes?

 

[doubtingmerle]

Have you ever picked up a rock or fossil and found the date stamped on it somewhere? No? Well then how do you know how old it is?

Ok , we have explained to you briefly how rocks are dated.

Even if we ignore the accuracy of the dating--that has been confirmed repeatedly--you still need an answer for why the tests consistently show dino fossils are much older than all human fossils.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I'm a Christian who is living in the last days when "increased knowledge" shows that Genesis could NOT have been authored by men. God told Daniel HOW He hid His Truth in plain sight:

Dan 12:4 ¶ But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Well, the more we know, the more the evidence suggests it was written by men who had no idea how the universe worked. Quite the opposite, in fact...

Haven't you noticed that I have no problem with Bible Believing Christians? My brethren in Christ recognize that my view agrees with God's Holy Word. Am I surprised that you disagree with all of us? Christians are those who have been saved by FAITH and that includes me.

Everyone has seen you try to correct other Christians here all the time. It isn't that I disagree with Christians, it's that a select few religious folks (not just some Christians) insist on forcing their personal unfounded interpretations of their religious texts into the education system as if it were actual science, and it isn't.

False, since I have NO disagreement with Science but ONLY with the false assumptions of the Theory of Evolution, which is NOT factual Science, but instead, is the consensus view of godless men who have REJECTED God's Truth in Genesis.

It's Science, deal with it. People of all faiths, including more Christians than not, accept it as Science, it isn't just "godless men who have REJECTED God's Truth in Genesis" that accept the Theory of Evolution as science...

Along with Godly men who reject your interpretation of Genesis or have never heard of it.

....See?

 

[BradB]

Chronological dating - Wikipedia

Also, Geochronology - Wikipedia

Neither link answers my very specific question. And trust me, though rhetorical, it gets to a very important point. If I ever stepped on to my bathroom scale and saw 897 lbs displayed I would have good reason to question the accuracy of my scale. But if that happens...no problem...I just go grab a weight off my barbells STAMPED 25 lbs and set it on my scale to test it's accuracy. The problem is we haven't got any rocks stamped...25,000,000 B.C.E. to test the isotopes test's accuracy. Meaning we have no way to test the test and I've got good reason to doubt it's accuracy.

 

[pitabread]

Neither link answers my very specific question.

Your question was "Well then how do you know how old [the rock] is?". Those links contain a listing of the myriad of dating methods used to determine how old things are including rocks. So I'm not entirely sure how you feel this didn't answer your question.

If you want to know specifically how the methods work, there are other resources for that. A good write up can be found here: Radiometric Dating

If I ever stepped on to my bathroom scale and saw 897 lbs displayed I would have good reason to question the accuracy of my scale. But if that happens...no problem...I just go grab a weight off my barbells STAMPED 25 lbs and set it on my scale to test it's accuracy. The problem is we haven't got any rocks stamped...25,000,000 B.C.E. to test the isotopes test's accuracy. Meaning we have no way to test the test and I've got good reason to doubt it's accuracy.

Accuracy is tested via multiple independent dating methods that can be used to correlate results.

The above link includes results from a number of studies and five different radiometric methods for dating rocks from Western Greenland. The results are all within the ballpark of each other (~3.5 to ~3.7 billion years old).

Another example is at this site on the Lake Suigetsu varve chronology: Lake Suigetsu and the 60,000 Year Varve Chronology

If you go about a third of the way into the article, there is a chart depicting the results of varve counts, C-14 dating and dendrochronology (tree rings). The strong correlation between all three independent methods points to the accuracy of the results.

It would be like if you went and weighed yourself on three different scales and they all returned approximately the same result, you'd conclude that that was your weight. Same deal with dating methodologies.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Meaning we have no way to test the test and I've got good reason to doubt it's accuracy.

Please share your reason for doubting the accuracy of a rock dated with isochron methods.

 

[Aman777]

Well, the more we know, the more the evidence suggests it was written by men who had no idea how the universe worked. Quite the opposite, in fact...

False, since your view supposes it knows more than God. The problem is with the interpretation or ancient Theology of men who lived thousands of years before Science. God hid His Truth in the scientific discoveries of the last days. Dan 12:4 Only with the increased knowledge we have today can one understand Genesis.

Everyone has seen you try to correct other Christians here all the time. It isn't that I disagree with Christians, it's that a select few religious folks (not just some Christians) insist on forcing their personal unfounded interpretations of their religious texts into the education system as if it were actual science, and it isn't.

Agreed...but that works in God's favor insuring that ONLY BY FAITH can one come to know God. I'm like a person born out of time because I support what I post with the agreement of Scripture, Science and History. Faith plus fact equals God's Truth in the last days before Jesus returns. Amen?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm a Christian who is living in the last days when "increased knowledge" shows that Genesis could NOT have been authored by men.

Assuming, of course, that we are in fact in the last days, and there's no more knowledge to increase.

Otherwise, we might learn something totally new tomorrow which throws your entire interpretation of Genesis out the window.

God told Daniel HOW He hid His Truth in plain sight:

A pity that you're no Daniel.

Haven't you noticed that I have no problem with Bible Believing Christians? My brethren in Christ recognize that my view agrees with God's Holy Word. Am I surprised that you disagree with all of us? Christians are those who have been saved by FAITH and that includes me.

Haven't you noticed how many Christians disagree with you?

False, since I have NO disagreement with Science but ONLY with the false assumptions of the Theory of Evolution, which is NOT factual Science, but instead, is the consensus view of godless men who have REJECTED God's Truth in Genesis.

Good to know -- since science might make your ideas on Genesis look pretty foolish any day now.

 

[Aman777]

Assuming, of course, that we are in fact in the last days, and there's no more knowledge to increase.

It's the beginning of the last days because God has already started "pouring out His Spirit", the Spirit of Truth, upon ALL flesh, including atheists, agnostics and reprobates of all kinds, as He told us He would thousands of years ago.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh:

The only way many atheists agnostics and other reprobates will see His Truth is through the discoveries of Science. Amen?

Otherwise, we might learn something totally new tomorrow which throws your entire interpretation of Genesis out the window.

Not so, since God has already told me of our Future. The changeable Science of today will soon be replaced by God's Truth which changes not. It doesn't have to.

Haven't you noticed how many Christians disagree with you?

No. Can you name any Bible believing, born again Spiritually in Christ, Christian who has any problem with my view? Waiting..........

Good to know -- since science might make your ideas on Genesis look pretty foolish any day now.

Dream on. Science is currently confirming what God told us more than 3k years ago. Read Genesis chapter one and you too will know the complete History of God's 6 Day/Age Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. Nothing is left to your imagination since God sees the end from the beginning. Isa 46:10

 

[PsychoSarah]

False, since your view supposes it knows more than God.

He's an atheist, just like I am. We don't believe in any deities, so we don't compare any knowledge base we recognize with them. From my perspective, to claim that I know more or less than something that I don't think exists would be a pointless activity.

The problem is with the interpretation or ancient Theology of men who lived thousands of years before Science. God hid His Truth in the scientific discoveries of the last days. Dan 12:4 Only with the increased knowledge we have today can one understand Genesis.

Legitimate question: why wouldn't the deity you believe in update the bible as human language grew and developed such as to make the ideas it wanted to convey clearer?

Agreed...but that works in God's favor insuring that ONLY BY FAITH can one come to know God.

Then what of the people that deconvert? Logically, if you were able to be certain of a deity's existence once you believed in it, no one would stop believing.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It's the beginning of the last days because God has already started "pouring out His Spirit", the Spirit of Truth, upon ALL flesh, including atheists, agnostics and reprobates of all kinds, as He told us He would thousands of years ago.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh:

The only way many atheists agnostics and other reprobates will see His Truth is through the discoveries of Science. Amen?

How great then, that science is the tool of God -- Not sure where you're getting the "God is pouring out his spirit on everyone," part, but I'm not going to ask.

Not so, since God has already told me of our Future.

How honored you must be to speak to God directly.

The changeable Science of today will soon be replaced by God's Truth which changes not. It doesn't have to.

That would mean that anything you have to say now is subject to change without notice, since, as you love to boast, everything you say is supported by science (at least for the moment).

No. Can you name any Bible believing, born again Spiritually in Christ, Christian who has any problem with my view? Waiting..........

No need; you've got your "No True Scotsman" cocked and loaded.

Dream on. Science is currently confirming what God told us more than 3k years ago.

Told "us" or told "me"? Kind of hard to keep track of what God says to whom...

Read Genesis chapter one and you too will know the complete History of God's 6 Day/Age Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. Nothing is left to your imagination since God sees the end from the beginning. Isa 46:10

So what do you need science for at all?

 

[PsychoSarah]

No. Can you name any Bible believing, born again Spiritually in Christ, Christian who has any problem with my view? Waiting..........

Pretty sure the one with the awkward username of "dad" would count himself in that category.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

False, since your view supposes it knows more than God.

No, no, it's because I have no reason to consider any Gods in my view because of all the evidence that supports that view in the first place. In fact, there is so much evidence that I don't even have to address the question of supernatural beings except for overly zealous religious types who want to interrupt my day with fantastical views of said unseen & unsubstantiated supernatural beings.

The problem is with the interpretation or ancient Theology of men who lived thousands of years before Science. God hid His Truth in the scientific discoveries of the last days. Dan 12:4 Only with the increased knowledge we have today can one understand Genesis.

What happens to the billions of people who never hear about your religion and for that matter, your particular interpretation of it? Even many Christians won't agree with your views. Although you find it untenable, less than a third of the human population worldwide subscribe to some version of your God, leaving two thirds at least who simply haven't heard (and never will hear) the "Good News" of your religion. Instead, they're often of some other religion with some completely different understanding of the universe that they find completely plausible, while looking and laughing at you about yours. Ironically, you'll be doing exactly the same thing about theirs.

Agreed...but that works in God's favor insuring that ONLY BY FAITH can one come to know God. I'm like a person born out of time because I support what I post with the agreement of Scripture, Science and History. Faith plus fact equals God's Truth in the last days before Jesus returns. Amen?

@PsychoSarah makes this point quite well:

Then what of the people that deconvert? Logically, if you were able to be certain of a deity's existence once you believed in it, no one would stop believing.

So I know you'll probably say something completely predictable like "...then they were never really born again in Christ"; followed by some bible quotes that mean nothing to those of us who don't subscribe to it - so let me just say that a God who exists and can be so vague about his existence and so nonchalant with everyone's interpretation of his writing without doing anything to correct it while we're alive, obviously doesn't care about us. Or as Epicurus might once have pontificated; "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

 

[doubtingmerle]

Neither link answers my very specific question. And trust me, though rhetorical, it gets to a very important point. If I ever stepped on to my bathroom scale and saw 897 lbs displayed I would have good reason to question the accuracy of my scale. But if that happens...no problem...I just go grab a weight off my barbells STAMPED 25 lbs and set it on my scale to test it's accuracy. The problem is we haven't got any rocks stamped...25,000,000 B.C.E. to test the isotopes test's accuracy. Meaning we have no way to test the test and I've got good reason to doubt it's accuracy.

And how do you know the 25 pound weights are accurate? Because we trust the procedure that was used to calibrate the scales that weighed them?

Fine, and scientists trust the procedures used to calibrate radiometric dating.

 

[Aman777]

He's an atheist, just like I am. We don't believe in any deities, so we don't compare any knowledge base we recognize with them. From my perspective, to claim that I know more or less than something that I don't think exists would be a pointless activity.

I see. You believe that Magic caused matter to "inflate" in the beginning? Or will you plead ignorance?

Legitimate question: why wouldn't the deity you believe in update the bible as human language grew and developed such as to make the ideas it wanted to convey clearer?

Because it would not be Faith IF everyone could understand...however, in the last days before Jesus returns, God is going to pour out His Spirit of Truth upon "ALL flesh", which includes atheists agnostics and even God haters. Act 2:17 So get ready for you will agree with the scientific discoveries of the last days which confirm Genesis. It's proof of God. God Bless you

Then what of the people that deconvert? Logically, if you were able to be certain of a deity's existence once you believed in it, no one would stop believing.

That's like saying that you don't believe you were born into the present physical world. Christians have already been born Spiritually and Eternally. We cannot die for we are immortal thanks to Jesus. It's already happened and it's just as real as our physical birth. We cannot become unborn Spiritually and those who go from us, were not of us.

1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

 

[Aman777]

So what do you need science for at all?

It confirms God's Truth in Genesis. That means that it is proof of God and since we are living in the last days before Jesus returns, it confirms my Faith. When they find Adam's firmament in Lake Van, you too, will begin proclaiming God's Truth. Amen?

 

[TLK Valentine]

It confirms God's Truth in Genesis. That means that it is proof of God and since we are living in the last days before Jesus returns, it confirms my Faith.

Perhaps today -- but tomorrow they may find something totally different.

What will that mean?

When they find Adam's firmament in Lake Van, you too, will begin proclaiming God's Truth. Amen?

When they search the lake and find nothing, will you admit to being mistaken?

 

[Aman777]

Pretty sure the one with the awkward username of "dad" would count himself in that category.

Since I refuted "dad" Scripturally, he's been hiding in the bushes. Come on out dad IF you can. I would love to defeat you again. Dad's silence shows what happens to the "undefeated" when defeated. God bless you ole dad, where ever you're hiding.

 

[AV1611VET]

When they find Adam's firmament in Lake Van, you too, will begin proclaiming God's Truth. Amen?

Lake where?