LDS Symbols are Reminders

[BigDaddy4]

You didn't answer the question. Answer it

You avoid my request

Please provide chapter and verse where Jesus layed his hands on Peter to give him priesthood authority.

but demand I answer yours. I did answer it. I'm not doing your footwork for you. Read Romans Chapters 1-5. I at least provide the Scriptural reference. You cannot.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Are you an atheist? Only atheists demand some kind of evidence.
But the Bible testifies that apostles of the first century who LIVED ON EARTH were the foundation of the Church.
When LIVING apostles were gone from the Earth, the foundation was gone from the Earth. No foundation on Earth no Church on Earth. It is so easy to see.

Are you trying to flame me? It clearly states that my faith is Christian. It is the lds church that makes the unsubstantiated claim, with no proof to back it up. The Catholics, Orthodox, and Armenians (ArmenianJohn to be exact) have evidence to the contrary. It's not difficult to decide who to believe - the ones with evidence or the one without (lds).

 

[fatboys]

The house that was built upon the Rock never fell.

The rock didn't die but those who lived in it did

 

[fatboys]

You avoid my request

Please provide chapter and verse where Jesus layed his hands on Peter to give him priesthood authority.

but demand I answer yours. I did answer it. I'm not doing your footwork for you. Read Romans Chapters 1-5. I at least provide the Scriptural reference. You cannot.

Speaking of flaming it is against the rules to continue to call JS a liar fake false church etc.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Speaking of flaming it is against the rules to continue to call JS a liar fake false church etc.

Which I did no such thing in the post you quoted. Another false accusation?

And you continue to avoid the tough questions. Why is that? Here it is again:

Please provide chapter and verse where Jesus layed his hands on Peter to give him priesthood authority.

 

[Rescued One]

Are you an atheist? Only atheists demand some kind of evidence.

The Berean Jews were of such noble character that they wanted evidence.

Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Acts 17:11

 

[Alla27]

The house that was built upon the Rock never fell.

True.
But if house is NOT build upon the Rock it will fall.
Church of Christ is then build upon the Rock when Saints(members of this Church) do not fall away.
When they do fall away they are not building a house upon the Rock any more. They do NOT even have foundation - LIVING apostles of Christ.
Christian Church that was organized in the 3rd century was NOT built upon the ROCK and did NOT have a foundation - LIVING APOSTLES OF JESUS CHRIST.

 

[Alla27]

Are you trying to flame me? It clearly states that my faith is Christian. It is the lds church that makes the unsubstantiated claim, with no proof to back it up. The Catholics, Orthodox, and Armenians (ArmenianJohn to be exact) have evidence to the contrary. It's not difficult to decide who to believe - the ones with evidence or the one without (lds).

what evidence do I have? evidence of what?

 

[NYCGuy]

True.
But if house is NOT build upon the Rock it will fall.
Church of Christ is then build upon the Rock when Saints(members of this Church) do not fall away.
When they do fall away they are not building a house upon the Rock any more. They do NOT even have foundation - LIVING apostles of Christ.
Christian Church that was organized in the 3rd century was NOT built upon the ROCK and did NOT have a foundation - LIVING APOSTLES OF JESUS CHRIST.

And which "Christian Church" was organized in the 3rd century? Please provide evidence to back up your assertion. You may cite it in the apostasy thread if you'd like.

 

[Rescued One]

True.
But if house is NOT build upon the Rock it will fall.
Church of Christ is then build upon the Rock when Saints(members of this Church) do not fall away.
When they do fall away they are not building a house upon the Rock any more. They do NOT even have foundation - LIVING apostles of Christ.
Christian Church that was organized in the 3rd century was NOT built upon the ROCK and did NOT have a foundation - LIVING APOSTLES OF JESUS CHRIST.

I belong to Christ's Church that He is the head of.

 

[Super14LDS]

Are you trying to flame me? It clearly states that my faith is Christian. It is the lds church that makes the unsubstantiated claim, with no proof to back it up. The Catholics, Orthodox, and Armenians (ArmenianJohn to be exact) have evidence to the contrary. It's not difficult to decide who to believe - the ones with evidence or the one without (lds).

Proof is the antithesis of faith.

 

[Alla27]

I belong to Christ's Church that He is the head of.

Thanks for sharing what you believe.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Proof is the antithesis of faith.

Only in athieism or mormonism.

See this post from above:

The Berean Jews were of such noble character that they wanted evidence.

Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Acts 17:11

 

[Rescued One]

Which Mormon is right when they disagree?

After all the Apostles were gone many parts of the Gospel(the Truth) were gone, priesthood was gone.
Many wolves in sheep skins appeared and taught false doctrines.


Symbolically we are temples of God. It means that we have to respect our bodies the way we would respect temples of God(holy places).
But it has nothing to do with universal apostasy that happened by the end of the first century.

There were people on the earth who held the priesthood from Adam until now. No time when there was nobody who held the priesthood. Otherwise lucifer and the gates of hell would have prevailed agianst Jesus, the Lamb of God.

 

[Super14LDS]

Which Mormon is right when they disagree?

Maybe this fine article will help clarify confusion of Credal Christains and Saints alive in Christ.


Dispensations of the Gospel
by Courtney J. Lassetter.

The term "dispensation" is translated in the New Testament from the Greek oikonomia, denoting an idea of stewardship and of ordering affairs of a household. "Dispensations" are also time periods in which the Lord placed on the earth the necessary knowledge, priesthood, and keys of authority to implement his Plan of Salvation for his children. This plan, along with priesthood, was first given to Adam (Moses 5:4-12; 6:62-68; D&C 84:16-18; TPJS, pp. 157, 167), but as a consequence of later apostasy and fragmentation among his descendants, it did not remain constantly upon the earth. Hence, from time to time the Lord called new prophets and again revealed the plan and bestowed the necessary priesthood authority, creating a new dispensation.

Each new dispensation, or period of restored truth, presents men and women with a divine stewardship in performing the Lord's work on earth. The recipients become custodians and coworkers with God in bringing to pass his purposes. They work according to his orderly and revealed design. His plan takes into account human weaknesses and provides for times of renewal following apostasy, just as it provides for a redemption from individual failings through repentance and obedience (D&C 121:31-32). The concepts of stewardship and orderliness are important themes in LDS theology.

Prophets are stewards who preach and organize the work of redemption in each dispensation. It has become traditional in some unofficial LDS commentaries to refer to seven major dispensations named after the principal prophet of each: Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ (who led the dispensation of the meridian of time), and Joseph Smith (who introduced the dispensation of the fulness of times; see Acts 3:21.) However, this list does not take into account other dispensations, such as those among the Jaredites, the Nephites, and the ten lost tribes of Israel. ...

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/gospel/dispensations_eom.htm

 

[Rescued One]

Maybe this fine article will help clarify confusion of Credal Christains and Saints alive in Christ.


Dispensations of the Gospel
by Courtney J. Lassetter.

The term "dispensation" is translated in the New Testament from the Greek oikonomia, denoting an idea of stewardship and of ordering affairs of a household. "Dispensations" are also time periods in which the Lord placed on the earth the necessary knowledge, priesthood, and keys of authority to implement his Plan of Salvation for his children. This plan, along with priesthood, was first given to Adam (Moses 5:4-12; 6:62-68; D&C 84:16-18; TPJS, pp. 157, 167), but as a consequence of later apostasy and fragmentation among his descendants, it did not remain constantly upon the earth. Hence, from time to time the Lord called new prophets and again revealed the plan and bestowed the necessary priesthood authority, creating a new dispensation.

Each new dispensation, or period of restored truth, presents men and women with a divine stewardship in performing the Lord's work on earth. The recipients become custodians and coworkers with God in bringing to pass his purposes. They work according to his orderly and revealed design. His plan takes into account human weaknesses and provides for times of renewal following apostasy, just as it provides for a redemption from individual failings through repentance and obedience (D&C 121:31-32). The concepts of stewardship and orderliness are important themes in LDS theology.

Prophets are stewards who preach and organize the work of redemption in each dispensation. It has become traditional in some unofficial LDS commentaries to refer to seven major dispensations named after the principal prophet of each: Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ (who led the dispensation of the meridian of time), and Joseph Smith (who introduced the dispensation of the fulness of times; see Acts 3:21.) However, this list does not take into account other dispensations, such as those among the Jaredites, the Nephites, and the ten lost tribes of Israel. ...

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/gospel/dispensations_eom.htm

What does this have to do with the price of beans in Boston?

 

[mmksparbud]

What does this have to do with the price of beans in Boston?

Are those dried, fresh, baked, canned, frozen, BBQ, with or without bacon, refried....???

 

[Alla27]

Which Mormon is right when they disagree?

Apostles and Prophets of the Church are right when they teach the official Doctrine.
The most important things on which all LDS agree are the ones that are important for our salvation.
We all agree on:
1)faith in Jesus Christ
2)repentance
3)baptism
4)gift of the Holy Ghost.

We all agree on:
1)following Jesus Christ
2)always remembering Him
3)keeping His commandments.
If I am wrong about other things (like the one you are asking) it is OK. It will not effect my salvation, but if someone corrects me I will be more than happy to learn the truth.

 

[Super14LDS]

What does this have to do with the price of beans in Boston?

Understanding the role of dispensations over time explains the supposed difference.

 

[Super14LDS]

Which Mormon is right when they disagree?

Go back and see that just because the gospel died as dispelled by Christ doesn't preclude the possibility that another dispensation of the gospel wasn't alive in another region of the Earth. There have been numerous dispensations of which we are unaware. John the beloved and the Three Nephites are examples of those that continue to tarry through periods when the fullness of the gospel is lost.