Please show me where scripture talks about the transformation of the bodies of those "Millennial saints".
After all, where does all the mortal saints in the millennium go when the earth flees away (Revelation 20:11) or passes away (Revelation 21:1-5)? Surely, they are not going to pass away when the earth passes away?
You need to research that further. The earth doesn’t disappear and get replaced by another planet - the old planet is cleansed by fire, and is restored to edenic conditions.
Just as the Bible says the earth was destroyed by water in the great flood but it’s the same planet, the earth will be destroyed by fire, but it’s going to remain.
2Pe 3:5 But they deliberately ignore the fact that long ago the heavens existed and the earth was formed by God's word out of water and with water,
2Pe 3:6 by which the world at that time was deluged with water and DESTROYED
2Pe 3:7 Now by that same word, the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire and are being kept for the day when ungodly people will be judged and destroyed.
The Bible says one fourth of the world will be burned and one third of mankind killed.
I checked some commentaries like JFB and Albert Barnes, and they state the same thing about the new earth being the restored earth.
Where are they going to be if they do not have a resurrected body? If not transformed? They will perish when the universe and earth are destroyed by nuclear fusion. Everything of this earth will have been eliminated. That includes bodies made from the "elements " of the earth. That demands having a transformed body before all is to be burned up!
Not so. Most posters will know i am talking about the great white throne. Please stop your unfair charges.
The Great White Throne can not take place during the Millennium. For first Satan will be locked up for 1000 years and released for a short time, so he can later gather all the malcontents into an attempted coup of the Lord. Being in eternity has no limit by years.
And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to
the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the
dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound
him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time." Rev 20:1-3
Eternity will have no time. Therefore the Great White Throne judgement needs to take place not until after all those who rebelled at the end of the Millennium are removed. Therefore, the Millennium must come first!
Do you reject the fact that Jesus is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5)?
The Great White Throne can not take place during the Millennium. For first Satan will be locked up for 1000 years and released for a short time, so he can later gather all the malcontents into an attempted coup of the Lord. Being in eternity has no limit by years.
And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to
the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the
dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound
him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time." Rev 20:1-3
Eternity will have no time. Therefore the Great White Throne judgement needs to take place not until after all those who rebelled at the end of the Millennium are removed. Therefore, the Millennium must come first!
The Rapture can not be his second coming, because he never touches earth in the Rapture. The second coming will be after the seven year Trib, when he returns and sets up his throne for 1000 years. 1000 years with Satan locked up for 1000 years.
There are to be no "years" in eternity. Eternity knows no time.
The Rapture can not be his second coming, because he never touches earth in the Rapture. The second coming will be after the seven year Trib, when he returns and sets up his throne for 1000 years. 1000 years with Satan locked up for 1000 years.
There are to be no "years" in eternity. Eternity knows no time.
The Great White Throne can not take place during the Millennium. For first Satan will be locked up for 1000 years and released for a short time, so he can later gather all the malcontents into an attempted coup of the Lord. Being in eternity has no limit by years.
And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to
the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the
dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound
him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time." Rev 20:1-3
Eternity will have no time. Therefore the Great White Throne judgement needs to take place not until after all those who rebelled at the end of the Millennium are removed. Therefore, the Millennium must come first!
I back up mine with scripture and you still won't answer.You are obviously winging it. You have zero Scripture for your theory.
Does not line up with the days of Noah or Lot.
Who's eating and drinking and getting married with the seas and rivers turning to blood and being tormented by demon locusts and murdered by a 200 million man army?
I back up mine with scripture and you still won't answer.
Who is eating and drinking and marrying while they're being tormented by the 5th trumpet judgement for 5 months?
John uses a lot of literal OT names, events, locations to depict NT spiritual truths. No contradictions. Revelation is saturated in symbolic language.
You did not address my point.
The 5th trumpet is before the last trumpet (number 7) which sees the coming of the Lord, the completion of time, the end of the world, and the fulfillment of the mystery of God.
While it's true the 7th trumpet is after the 5th, Jesus came back before the trumpets, after the 6th seal.
Revelation 6:15-17.
He's in the clouds sitting on a throne and every eye sees Him. This is before the trumpets, because as JESUS said, NOT JOHN
JESUS.
That in the days just before His coming, people will be living normal lives.
You will NOT be living a normal life if you've got demon locusts crawling up your walls and through the windows as described in Joel 2. Once the trumpets and vials start going down? The wrath of God? There is no normal life anymore.
There are 2 different appearances of Jesus.
1 in the clouds. (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 6:12-17, Revelation 14:14-20) and One on a white horse touching down on the mount of olives (Revelation 19:11, and I would say, Isaiah 34 describes this as well with the image of the sword, where Isaiah 26 described the rapture and hiding from the indignation).
They are however, both His second coming, because everything that happens after Jesus appears in the clouds, is the second coming.
Your millennium is a bit of a debacle by the look of it. It is full of everything that this age suffers sin, death, corruption, sickness, Satan, war. Quite frankly: the Premil peace is a sham.
I just explained that, and why it will be needed.It is not in Revelation 20. It is foisted upon it by Premils who are devoid of any other passage that mentions these thousand years. In reality billions of mortal phony religious Gentiles (as the sand of the sea) supposedly submit to Christ and attend Jerusalem to worship in the temple in your alleged future millennium. After a thousand years at the drop of a hat they change their worship to Satan. What a debacle! What a bust!
You're under a wrong assumption for the Millennium years. It will be peaceful. For those who love the Lord it will be. No more fake news. No more crime. No more apostasy. If any of those raises its ugly head during the 1000 years? Swift and direct justice will eliminate whatever evil becomes overt.
To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end,
I will give authority over the nations— that one ‘will rule
them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces
like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my
Father." Rev 2:26-27
Dash them to pieces like pottery? Why should that be needed, if eternity is to be the next change? Perfect peace needing such severe law and order?
needed.
Those believers who now reach full maturity in Christ will be granted power and authority to rule over those on earth during the Millennium. These blessed believers will have the power and authority to execute immediate capital punishment. Dash them to pieces like pottery!
When one can supernaturally read minds by God's power one does not need a jury, and no one can lie to you. Quick and immediate action will quickly teach all those who wish to do wrong that crime does not pay. After a few examples of that kind of consequences for wrong doing? The criminally minded will fear doing wrong to anyone. That will leave all those who love the Lord to have stability and peace in the land. There will be peace. Perfect law and order guarantees it.
That is why Satan must be released at the end of the one thousand years.
For evil had become totally oppressed thoroughly the through the examples of immediate justice, and those so inclined learned quickly to become hypocritical in order to stay alive. In the end, Satan will offer them the kind of leadership they had been longing for.
By that way of releasing Satan, God gets the haters to come out and be exposed for what they really are, as the means to eliminate them all out from the faithful's presence. All of mankind will then have been purged of all evil souls. Those remaining alive will be the faithful and can now be entered into the eternal new heavens and new earth. The final new earth which will manifest the real meaning of God's peace... A peace that right now we are yet to understand.
I just explained that, and why it will be needed.
There's 2 parallels. showing a chronology of Great Tribulations (6, 13), Jesus in the Clouds/Rapture (6, 14), Wrath of God (6:17 through chapter 11, and Chapter 14:19-20 through chapter 19), and Final Judgement (depicted briefly in chapter 11, depicted in more detail in chapter 20). The last events in the wrath of God are given in more detail in the second vision in describing the fall of babylon and armageddon.That is NOT 2 comings. These are various recaps of the same game. Check out the end of the 7 vials and also Revelation 19. Compare the 7 trumpets to the 7 vials. They parallel each other. We are not looking at 4 comings. Revelation 20 is the last of 7 recaps. It runs from the 1st to the 2nd advents.