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Featured Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days separated by 1000 years+?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by sovereigngrace, Oct 15, 2020.

  1. sovereigngrace

    sovereigngrace Well-Known Member

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    Premil teaches that there will be righteous converts still in their fallen mortal bodies during their millennium who are distinguished from the immortals. They also argue many of these will be converted in their so-called future millennium. Surely Premils are going to have to create another catching away (“rapture”) for the "mortal believers" that get saved during their millennium in order to allow them to enter the glorified state and eternal bliss? After all, where does all the mortal saints in the millennium go when the earth flees away (Revelation 20:11) or passes away (Revelation 21:1-5)? Surely, they are not going to pass away when the earth passes away?

    So, when do all the millennial mortal converts get glorified? Please give Scripture. Surely there needs to be another glorification of the "the mortal saints" after Satan's little season to make them fit and prepared for the eternal state? After all, “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption” (1 Corinthians 15:50).


    Surely there needs to be another “day of redemption” after the “day of redemption” at the second coming (Luke 21:28, Romans 8:19-23 and Ephesians 1:13-14) in order to redeem the bodies of the millennial mortals that put their trust in Christ?
     
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  2. Aussie Pete

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    "A-millenial, pre-millenial, post-millenial....." I like Corrie Ten Boom's take: "The whole thing is a-pre-post-erous situation".
     
  3. SeventyOne

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    To my knowledge, scripture doesn't give us that detail. We'll just have to wait and see. But the only thing being invented here is the idea Premills have to invent anything on this topic.
     
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  4. sovereigngrace

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    Premils must confront this issue (which they are uncomfortable to do) because their theology produces this problem.

    This is only one of many contradicts that attends the doctrine.
     
  5. The Righterzpen

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    Then there's the "pan-millennial" view. It'll all pan out in the end.
     
  6. Aussie Pete

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    I'm happy with that view also.
     
  7. sovereigngrace

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    This is a troubling subject for Premils because the Bible does not teach such. This is one of the many consequences of believing Premil.
     
  8. Spiritual Jew

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    Why would it not give that detail? It gives us many details related to the coming of Christ, the gathering of believers, destruction of the wicked, the resurrection of the dead, the judgment and the new heavens and new earth. But nothing about what happens to believers at the end of a future earthly millennial kingdom (or after Satan's little season which follows that)? I can't think of any reason why God would not want to include that detail in His Word.

    In fairness, though, I give you credit for at least being willing to acknowledge that scripture doesn't give that detail in the premil view. It doesn't look like that concerns you at all, but it would concern me and would make me re-evaluate my view of the thousand years.
     
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  9. Spiritual Jew

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    The relative lack of response to your OP is quite telling, in my opinion.

    If amil had no scriptural explanation for what will happen to a particular group of people that will live during a future long time period, that would concern me.
     
  10. SeventyOne

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    I don't answer for God. You'll have to ask Him why He excluded that detail for yourself.
     
  11. Spiritual Jew

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    Why would I ask Him why He didn't include a detail that is missing from a doctrine I don't believe in?

    I imagine if I did ask Him that He would tell me it's because premils are misinterpreting His Word as it concerns the thousand years and they should know that He does not neglect to include important details like that in His Word.
     
  12. SeventyOne

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    Because you were the one asking the question. Seemed obvious to me.


    Jobs' friends also used their imagination when presuming to answer for God. They were nearly put to death for it.
     
  13. Spiritual Jew

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    Do you ask God why He omitted details that you think are missing from the amil doctrine? If not, then why would you think it's reasonable to expect me to ask Him why premils are missing details from their doctrine? It makes more sense for me to ask a premil that question. If the answer is "I don't know" then that's fine.

    When did I presume to answer for God? I only indicated what I think He might say. I didn't say it was for 100% certain that He would say it.
     
  14. SeventyOne

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    I know my doctrine just fine. I also know God hasn't provided every detail concerning every still upcoming event, making the presumption that the detail has to be provided a very ludicris one. For my part, I've never asked him about that question simply because I've never been curious about it. But I'll make a deal with you, if I'm ever curious about it, I'll ask.

    That said, if you have such a question, ask it.

    He's the one that indicated He has a major issue with such actions. If you think you are in the clear, then so be it. I'm not the one who will have to answer for it.
     
  15. sovereigngrace

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    This is definitely the skeleton in the Premil cupboard that Premils doen't want to talk about. They avoid it like the plague.
     
  16. sovereigngrace

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    Why is it that Premils will not address this issue?
     
  17. Timtofly

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    They are still on the new earth. They do not go anywhere. They go any when.

    So making up phony endings is your own contradictorial opinion.

    They are not glorified, according to Scripture. You miss the rapture, you miss the glorification process. If you wait till the groom who just got married comes on His white horse at the battle of Armageddon, you missed the rapture.
     
  18. sovereigngrace

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    So where are the elect in your supposed future Millennium?
     
  19. Timtofly

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    You do not know where you are going?

    They are not on the earth. Revelation 20 does not even mention the elect. Amil claims the elect are in Revelation 20, at least those post millennium ones do. If it is not now or does not exist at all, the elect are not in Revelation 20 period. John did not place them in Revelation 20. I do not place them in Revelation 20. Some place them there. I do not know why though. I guess some early church father started a rumor, and it has not left the church since then. The OT mentions people are there, and John says people are there, so it is not desolate like some post mill teachers declare. I should say there are desolate places on earth now. How much desolation do we need to fit the OT measure?
     
  20. BABerean2

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    Based on the fact that there are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46, you would have to invent some to make the Premill doctrine work.

    Based on 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, you would also need to make your mortals fireproof.
    Fireproof mortals would be an invention of men.

    If you think Jesus will be conducting funeral services for mortals killed in accidents 500 years after His Second Coming, you have a great imagination.
    You would also have to invent that scenario, because it is not found in the New Testament.


    Former Dispensational Premillennialist, Dr. Sam Storms:



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