Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days separated by 1000 years+?

[sovereigngrace]

No, I reject your interpretation of Revelation 20.

He makes these deliberately misleading statements in every post in an attempt to maliciously discredit Amil. That is because he has no answer for what we really believe.

 

[Timtofly]

It's not two gospels, though. It's regarding the difference between how far the gospel spread in OT times compared to NT times.

What amils believe is what Satan is bound from doing: deceiving the nations in the sense of keeping them from hearing (or reading) the gospel. He can't stop the Holy Spirit of God from spreading the gospel through the preaching of Christians throughout the world. In OT times they did not have God's word in the world apart from Israel. That changed after Christ came and after the Holy Spirit came to dwell in people's hearts starting on the day of Pentecost long ago.

And nothing has changed except humans taking the Holy Spirit with them across the world. The Hebrews did not do that. It had nothing to do with Satan being bound or not bound.

 

[Timtofly]

Because you have no answer to Amil on each thread, all you can do is misrepresent the Amil position. This does not enhance your doctrine but rather exposes it for what it is - extra-biblical. All Amils believe in one people of God and one Gospel.

Then this has nothing to do with Satan being bound at all. Amil are misrepresenting their own points.

The difference is not Satan. The difference is how the Holy Spirit travels around the world. The Gospel is spread by word of mouth now.

 

[Timtofly]

That all depends on what someone believes Satan is bound from doing. In my view he is definitely bound from doing what he was able to do in OT times.

In Scripture what did Satan do differently?

 

[Timtofly]

The Lord, day is Sunday. The day of the Lord is the last day when all the elect are rescued and all the wicked are destroyed. There is no future millennium. That is a Premil invention.

The Day of the Lord, the Lord's Day. In context of eschatology, Lord's Day is more concise than The Day of the Lord. Are we hyperliteral in our postings now?

 

[Timtofly]

He makes these deliberately misleading statements in every post in an attempt to maliciously discredit Amil. That is because he has no answer for what we really believe.

So my interpretation is the words found in the chapter, and you reject God’s Word then? You reject a literal reading. I can understand if someone does not interpret a beast with seven horns. But a resurrection and reigning with Christ. Are you saying resurrections are not literal and reigning with Christ is not literal? Why symbolism for 1000 and yet literal for a resurrection and being with Christ? I do not interpret anything. I accept God's Word as written.

 

[Timtofly]

He makes these deliberately misleading statements in every post in an attempt to maliciously discredit Amil. That is because he has no answer for what we really believe.

Is this gossip and slander? It is not deliberate. I am just pointing out what the Word of God says. The Millennium is a Day with the Lord, and that is the best Lord's Day ever. Interpret that as you wish.

 

[BABerean2]

I do not interpret anything. I accept God's Word as written.

If your statement above was true...

Then you should know "the first resurrection" in Revelation chapter 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation.
See the two witnesses in chapter 11.


You should also know the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20 is not the first reference to the judgment of the dead in the Book of Revelation.
See the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:15-18.


You should also know the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
See Christ coming as a thief at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16.


You should also know the Capital "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual Church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found.
In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb, and a person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ.


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[sovereigngrace]

Is this gossip and slander? It is not deliberate. I am just pointing out what the Word of God says. The Millennium is a Day with the Lord, and that is the best Lord's Day ever. Interpret that as you wish.

No. It is deceptive to continually misrepresent truth. It is wrong for you to willfully in post after post misrepresent what Amils teach. You need to stop it. Deal with what we teach, not what you need to invent to discredit Amil. You are not doing yourself any favors. Quite the opposite. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth. He always says things that are accurate.

 

[sovereigngrace]

The Day of the Lord, the Lord's Day. In context of eschatology, Lord's Day is more concise than The Day of the Lord. Are we hyperliteral in our postings now?

Give me one single second coming passage that calls Christ's coming "the Lord's day"? The burden of proof is in your court. You know it is not there. This is classic Premil eisegesis.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

In Scripture what did Satan do differently?

In OT times he was able to keep people in spiritual darkness because he had the power of death which kept people in slavery to the fear of death with no hope of eternal life. That all changed when Christ came to bring the opportunity of salvation to the entire world and the hope of eternal life.

Hebrews 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

Revelation 1:18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

 

[Timtofly]

Give me one single second coming passage that calls Christ's coming "the Lord's day"? The burden of proof is in your court. You know it is not there. This is classic Premil eisegesis.

It is called English.

 

[sovereigngrace]

It is called English.

By your continued avoidance, you are obviously bereft of any biblical foundation for your theory.

 

[Timtofly]

In OT times he was able to keep people in spiritual darkness because he had the power of death which kept people in slavery to the fear of death with no hope of eternal life. That all changed when Christ came to bring the opportunity of salvation to the entire world and the hope of eternal life.

Hebrews 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

Revelation 1:18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

These verses are talking about what happens at death. Abraham's bosom was emptied. Up until the Cross, Satan had the power of death. It is not about Nations or government. It was about where the soul went after physical death. The Nations of the world for the most part are still held in the wickedness of spiritual darkness. That is the failure of the church. Why do modern nations still follow after Satan? If a Nation once enjoyed the blesssing of a godly people, it has fallen into apostasy which is just as demonic as paganism. Can you point out historically where the church has stopped fighting spiritual wickedness in the places of government? Satan is the father of spiritual darkness and it is still very prevalent today.

 

[Timtofly]

By your continued avoidance, you are obviously bereft of any biblical foundation for your theory.

Then you put up all references concerning the word Day and Adonai or Lord, and prove me wrong. I have posted Scripture and you have never once addressed it, but claimed avoidance or you use the word "pre-mill" excessively.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Then you put up all references concerning the word Day and Adonai or Lord, and prove me wrong. I have posted Scripture and you have never once addressed it, but claimed avoidance or you use the word "pre-mill" excessively.

Clearly, you have none. Furnish us with your Scripture if they do truly exist.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

These verses are talking about what happens at death. Abraham's bosom was emptied. Up until the Cross, Satan had the power of death. It is not about Nations or government. It was about where the soul went after physical death. The Nations of the world for the most part are still held in the wickedness of spiritual darkness.

Not nearly to the extent as was the case in OT times. How many Gentiles were saved in OT times? A very low percentage of them, right? In Noah's day only 8 people were saved. In the rest of OT times it was mostly only Israelites who were saved.

That's why Paul said this about the Gentiles:

Eph 2:11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

How many have been saved in NT times? Many millions at least, right? Much more than in OT times, right? So, why are you acting as if there hasn't been much difference between how things were in OT times compared to NT times when that is clearly not the case?

 

[Timtofly]

Clearly, you have none. Furnish us with your Scripture if they do truly exist.

I have many times. Why keep doing it, just to be ignored? You would not address them even if I post them. Because you never addressed them when I did. Sorry, I do not cut and past the same thing over and over like many here. Keep accusing me of avoidance, because that is what you have always done, while avoiding the verses I did post.

If indeed there are no verses, it should not be too hard to find them yourself. How many times does the word Adonai and Lord appear, if you claim there are no verses in the Bible using those words, along with Day?

 

[Timtofly]

Not nearly to the extent as was the case in OT times. How many Gentiles were saved in OT times? A very low percentage of them, right? In Noah's day only 8 people were saved. In the rest of OT times it was mostly only Israelites who were saved.

That's why Paul said this about the Gentiles:

Eph 2:11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

How many have been saved in NT times? Many millions at least, right? Much more than in OT times, right? So, why are you acting as if there hasn't been much difference between how things were in OT times compared to NT times when that is clearly not the case?

I have never denied a change. It was the Cross. You claim it was because Satan is bound. Where in Ephesians 2 is Satan bound? Paul says, "still at work". It could be argued that more Gentiles were saved under the Law, because even God's chosen people were hardly saved. Living in rebellion is always easier, and Gentiles claimed to understand, Israel should be blessed. Sometimes Gentiles understood better than God’s People. The Queen of Sheba and Nineveh will stand in judgement against them, because they were more righteous and trusted God more than God's own people.

 

[sovereigngrace]

I have many times. Why keep doing it, just to be ignored? You would not address them even if I post them. Because you never addressed them when I did. Sorry, I do not cut and past the same thing over and over like many here. Keep accusing me of avoidance, because that is what you have always done, while avoiding the verses I did post.

If indeed there are no verses, it should not be too hard to find them yourself. How many times does the word Adonai and Lord appear, if you claim there are no verses in the Bible using those words, along with Day?

I will take your ongoing avoidance of simple requests for biblical evidence that you do not have any biblical evidence. If you had it, you would be happy to supply.