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1/ The temple will be built.. = Supported by the scripture that has them practicing offerings and a Holy of Holies.Conjecture or Fact ???
Hey.. Lost.... I gave you a "winner"... Who'd a thunk huh?I agree, the proper place for the original temple of the time of Jesus is further down from the 'dome', in the city of David. Where the dome is, that whole plateau was fort Antonia
1/ The temple will be built.. = Supported by the scripture that has them practicing offerings and a Holy of Holies.
2/ They already have many of the necessary artifacts and implements. = Fact.
3/ They have the ark = as stated..... it is believed... not proven.. but.. if they did, they are not going to broadcast it.
No, it does not, and yet many here and many in the body of Christ are taught and they believe something the Bible does not mention.I don't think the Bible specifically mentions a temple
Cite the verse, Ricky.But it does say the Jews will seek to resume their sacrifices, which will then require a temple. The temple is implied.
No, you don't get to ask questions without first providing parity and call it cogent discussion. Please answer the question asked.I guess I would have to ask you what you believe about Daniel 9? I think it’s 9, or maybe 7 I haven’t read it in a while.
Israel is a modern Western Democracy.OK... I am pleased that the discussion is beginning to address some very important issues.
Firstly lets be careful to remember that Jesus loves the folks living in Israel today.
I note with interest that a few decades ago there was a strong belief that Russia would relax it's attitude to the Jews and allow them to emigrate to Israel. There was at the time no reason to believe that this was likely. However the real test of prophesy is not that it comes true but that it appears impossible.... and it did at the time. The man who 'saw' this would happen was David Price (if my memory serves me correct).
So believers in Scandinavia built extra rooms on their houses to accomodate the anticipated movement of Jews through their land. Clearly they were motivated by the love of Jesus in doing this. Bingo - Russia made an about face and released the Jews as predicted. Many came to Jesus through this expression of hospitality - the hosts had acted on a very unlikely scenario.
Despite this there is no doubt that the Israelis today are generally stiff necked as in Jesus time. I spent time with a mission to assist believing Jews under persecution. Having you family hold a funeral for you if you become messianic is not pleasant.
But back to topic...
Should the Jews build a third temple? - No.
Will the Jews build a third temple - I think yes.
Should Christians support this initiative - No.
However what complicates things further...
Could it be that the 'abomination that causes desolation' is already in the High Place?
Could that be Islam on the temple mount?
Much to think about - I am no expert - may the Lord lead.
True, but you can't come at it like it's the Christians who are going to build the temple and use it.Obviously they aren't believers. I'm coming at this issue from a Christian viewpoint, not a false religion viewpoint.
I think the antichrist is the one who will finally allow the Jews to resume sacrifices. Which means he will allow them to build a place in which to do that. Hmmm... what is that called now? Yes it will not be a spiritual place that God dwells. Doesn't mean they're not going to do it.Basically it's not understanding we walk and live in the Spirit (Christ in us) and not in the physical. All believers relationship with Jesus is spiritual until He returns. He will then (physically) take all of his people (the saved) to the heavenly sanctuary where we will be united with Him physically and spiritually forevermore ... AMEN!
Many Christians misplace the focus from spiritual Israel to the literal Jewish nation, they are also confused on the subject of the temple. Most of the speculation for a rebuilt temple springs from a vague reference in 2 Thessalonians 2 dealing with the Antichrist power: “That day shall not come … [until] that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God” (vs. 3, 4).
Many say that for the Antichrist to sit in the temple (physical), it (a physical temple) will obviously have to be rebuilt.
Those who support this belief are known as Christian Zionists, (they include such popular writers as Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, and John Hagee. Their published book sales exceed 70 million copies—including the popular Left Behind series). Their beliefs are endorsed by some of the largest theological colleges and institutions.
so go search and read about Christian Zionists for a more in-depth understanding on the matter.
1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?
If God's Spirit dwells in you .. you are His temple and His people.
It is a spiritual relationship with Christ until He returns.
Kinda like so many think Adam ate an apple. It's a common imagery misconception.No, it does not, and yet many here and many in the body of Christ are taught and they believe something the Bible does not mention.
Cite the verse, Ricky.
I don't think any Christian who believes in the superiority of the sacrifice that Jesus offered. Would even consider the thought of supporting a sacrificial temple.True, but you can't come at it like it's the Christians who are going to build the temple and use it.
Some storefront signs in Beersheba/Beersheva were in Russian when I was there in the 2000’s. Many Russian Jews moved to Israel in the 90’s. You may have remembered the Former Soviet Union did not allow Jews to return to Israel. This changed after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the break up of the U.S.S.R.OK... I am pleased that the discussion is beginning to address some very important issues.
Firstly lets be careful to remember that Jesus loves the folks living in Israel today.
I note with interest that a few decades ago there was a strong belief that Russia would relax it's attitude to the Jews and allow them to emigrate to Israel. There was at the time no reason to believe that this was likely. However the real test of prophesy is not that it comes true but that it appears impossible.... and it did at the time. The man who 'saw' this would happen was David Price (if my memory serves me correct).
So believers in Scandinavia built extra rooms on their houses to accomodate the anticipated movement of Jews through their land. Clearly they were motivated by the love of Jesus in doing this. Bingo - Russia made an about face and released the Jews as predicted. Many came to Jesus through this expression of hospitality - the hosts had acted on a very unlikely scenario.
Despite this there is no doubt that the Israelis today are generally stiff necked as in Jesus time. I spent time with a mission to assist believing Jews under persecution. Having you family hold a funeral for you if you become messianic is not pleasant.
But back to topic...
Should the Jews build a third temple? - No.
Will the Jews build a third temple - I think yes.
Should Christians support this initiative - No.
However what complicates things further...
Could it be that the 'abomination that causes desolation' is already in the High Place?
Could that be Islam on the temple mount?
Much to think about - I am no expert - may the Lord lead.
The problem is that there are plenty of Biblically ignorant Christians who do support this sort of thing. They view Israel and the rebuilding of the temple as some sort of end times sign. I view it as a problem only insofar as Christians are ignorant of scripture and believe in superstition when it comes to end times. What a bunch of heathen jews do (and ultimately what a bunch of heathen muslims do in response) is of no concern to me.True, but you can't come at it like it's the Christians who are going to build the temple and use it.
Ricky, I'm not interested in attempts to hijack the op to push allegorical interpretations. Not everything you've posted is wrong, but it is not what this op is about. If you feel the need to validate your affinity for allegorical reading then post an op in any one of the three Christian Scriptures board in CF, but don't hijack Carl's op for your own agenda.Kinda like so many think Adam ate an apple. It's a common imagery misconception.
I'll get back to you on the verse. Our chicken is burning while I do this!
Upon what is that thought based?Will the Jews build a third temple - I think yes.
According to Matthew the temple was found abominable the day he entered Jerusalem and according to Jesus their house was left to them desolate the very next day. Even were that not Jesus' reference, the human sacrifices that took place by the self-defying Zealots in 70 a.d easily qualifies. The historians of those events report there was so much blood it splashed thigh-high on the temple walls and was so think that in the heat of the sun it dried causing pedestrians' sandals to stick to the floor and come off the wearers' feet.Could it be that the 'abomination that causes desolation' is already in the High Place?
Unlike others who wrote God destroyed the temple, I think the Roman Army under Titus destroyed the Temple and burned Jerusalem as recorded by historians and confirmed by archaeology. People have free will. It is not as if we should blame God for the destruction of Jerusalem. Many Jews rejected Jesus’ teachings of non-violence and did armed rebellion against Roman rule instead. This desire for revolution was their downfall.
I think the antichrist is the one who will finally allow the Jews to resume sacrifices. Which means he will allow them to build a place in which to do that. Hmmm... what is that called now? Yes it will not be a spiritual place that God dwells. Doesn't mean they're not going to do it.
No, you don't get to ask questions without first providing parity and call it cogent discussion. Please answer the question asked.
You don't get to shift the onus away from your prior post and call it rational discourse. Answer the question asked, please.
You don't get to ask questions based on assumptions not in evidence with someone asking about the basis for such an inquiry or belief. It was assumed a third temple is going to happen any way and I'd like to know what makes you think that. Answer the question asked, please.
What makes you think it's going to happen anyway?
That's OK... I cannot prove it.I have trouble with 3...
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