Did Paul ever tell anyone not to submit to Peter's authority?
....Don't know. Why are you asking that, when I have not broached that subject of authority yet. Do you think when I bring up right and wrong, that I am speaking of an esoteric authotity subject? Are we to submit to every authority in the chuch, when they are like us also, making mistakes in sin......
...In a way yes. In another way no. Paul resisted, Paul should have in the authority issue, just done what Peter was now proposing, or was in fact doing. He did not do that. Rather, he stated his obkections.......
Was Peter telling others that they should act as he did?
...It's in acts. What did he do? And why do i need to know this here for what I have said above? .....
Regarding authority, it is written that if your brother sins, you should go talk to him, if he persists, you should bring others to talk to him, and if he continues, to bring it to the Church.
..... Uh. You should bring another. And if that with that other, he continues to do so, you are to treat him as a tax collector, for you have lost a brother. You have lost your brother. I have lost two of my both kinds of brothers this way. ......
The Church is the authority, not any one man.
..... The church appears as solo to most of us. ......
While priests, bishops, cardinals, and popes can be wrong, the authority we're speaking of is regarding faith and morals, and we are to submit to The Church in these matters.
....In Galileo's case those exact words were used, and the Pope still issued the command against him. They could have told him merely, please you must be quiet until your idea is proven. He did not of course, but they put in that judgement that it is they who understand scripture. I think even faith and morals might have been in there. The point here is the church, as we call that institution, is not right all of the time, when they appear and tacilty say they are right, or when we are told they are right, by ill informed priests, changing by accident what the church aslo says. I, and you must resist some of the time, when what we are being told seems wrong, and we can back it up with proof. ......
One other comment, I've seen some pretty poor priests, but never the degree that you're suggesting.
.... And why are you telling me this? Why? ......
I've turned priests in for gambling, for simony, for improper shepherding, I've left parishes where the pastor didn't seem quite right, but wow! I wonder where you are???
..... Again. What do you mean? I have even worked with ministers who are wrong. I have worked with priests who are right, and only needed to know somethings. Why are you asking me this? .....
Maybe LA?
...... My address is given above. Yes I move much. LA, not once, yet. .....
BTW, the Inquisition was not wrong.
.... Okay ....
Some individuals did wrong in the name of the Inquisition.
.....Yes......
Also, there are thousands of Catholics who think we should ordain women,
.... The bible disagrees. Jesus disagrees in His talk with Faustina. Paul disagrees in the Bible, so yes it is said, and in my case, it is ever so true. ....
allow divorced and remarried people into communion
..... And in most cases, like you have I have mentioned, it is not what God says, as some marriages that are, never were in God's eyes. We humans, don't know all God thinks, and feels, thus we apply a rule incorrectly. Some of the time we are right. To say that all remaried Caholics cannot receieve communiion is wrong. Also, know this: "There is more than one way to be in Communion, with Jesus, and therefore....God."
and not be so harsh on birth control and abortion.
.... I didn't know you were harsh. .....
Should the Church listen to them?
....When you killed your last person by being angry with them, should you be treated as they are who abort out of love, and teror, or out of lies told by others? You kill every person you get angry with, so says God. Abortion is not your issue, unless you are female, I would think. I have never heard of a man, ever morning the son he never had, and never knew about. The mother always knows. She always grieves. She always misses the child that she had killed out of desperation, or for what ever reason. Do men feel that? Why should they. It is not their job? They have other jobs, one is to fight every wrong statement, made by your priests, bishops, and even your pope, who said those words in print, to Galileo, and to us. They know more thag Galileo does on Scripture. He is wrong. You can argue all day, but read the words they used. .....
