Study: False statements preceded war

[InigoMontoja]

Bumping this up so that the Bush supporters on here can read it.

BTW, I can't say that I'm surprised at all that Bush lied to the entire country. Quite frankly, I really suspected that he had.

I can't wait for the report on how the nation was lied to by science book publishers up until a few years ago when it was realized that Pluto really isn't a planet.

OH MY GOSH TIN FOIL HAT TIME!

A false statement and a lie are two different things. (In case you're wondering, that's why they're called two different things). Bush and a lot of others really did believe Saddam had WMDs, and it seemed likely he did. Furthermore it is very possible that they were shipped to Syria.

You don't have to be a Bush supporter to be honest. Lying about lying is not better than just lying, so stop.

And while you're at it have some Kool-Aid, it's sugar free.

 

[JustOneWay]

I can't wait for the report on how the nation was lied to by science book publishers up until a few years ago when it was realized that Pluto really isn't a planet.

I am sorry but I can't find the statistics of how many soldiers, and innocent women and children died because somebody incorrectly called Pluto a planet. Could you find these stats anywhere?

 

[MikeMcK]

I can't wait for the report on how the nation was lied to by science book publishers up until a few years ago when it was realized that Pluto really isn't a planet.

That's only if the publisher is a Republican.

If he's a Democrat, then it's just a massive smear campaign against minorities living on Pluto by the evil Republicans.

And while you're at it have some Kool-Aid, it's sugar free.

Oh, I think they're drinking plenty of Kool Aide already.

 

[wpiman2]

Have you ever heard of the House Armed Services Commitee?

How about the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence?

CIA (and NSA) is in the Executive branch. That is where the intelligence came from. The Legislative branch has intelligence committees, but no agencies.

Which, naturally, explains why your icon says you're a Libertarian.

Most Libertarians are. Look at Alan Greenspan- perfect example of a Libertarian Republican. The Libertarian philosophy is a small government philosophy, which the Republican party USED to stand for. They used to promote tax cuts AND spending cuts. Now they promote tax cuts and spending increases; ie. deficits.

And it says it on my vote registration papers. Not all Republicans line up behind this shill of a President we have today. Views may vary.

There was no surplus. It was only on paper.

Think of it this way: a contractor comes to your house and tells you that it's going to cost $4,000 dollars to replace the sewer line in your front yard.

After the work is done, he comes back and says, "I have good news. I was able to save you $1,000, so it's only going to cost you $3,000".

So, do you say "Hey, that's great! You're giving me $1,000"?

Of course you don't because you're still three grand in the hole.

In the same way, when we talk about a budget surplus, we're not talking about money that magically appeared out of nowhere. We're just saying that we didn't spend as much money as we thought we would.

Here I will semi agree with you. The surpluses were projected, and didn't include saving provisions for Medicare/Medicaid. Anyone who has taken a basically graduate level accounting class understands the fuzziness of it all.

That said, implementing a tax cut was a horrible idea. The deficit was money already spent; it should have been paid down.

Actually, they're functioning pretty well.

And what is the Democrat-led Congress doing to help?

Not from where I am standing they are not.

Ever wonder why the one Republican candidate who advocated pulling immediately out of Iraq raised more money from military members than all other candidates combined?

I can agree with you that they are doing nothing to help. We need a true fiscal conservative who is true to the founding principles to straighten this out. You won't find such a person in the democratic party these days.

 

[InigoMontoja]

I am sorry but I can't find the statistics of how many soldiers, and innocent women and children died because somebody incorrectly called Pluto a planet. Could you find these stats anywhere?

Red herring.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere fishy-fishy-fishy-fishy-fishy!

 

[Meshavrischika]

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/misinformation_study

sorry. this is a big "DUH".

false statements generally preceed anything having to do with government spending or involvement

 

[MikeMcK]

CIA (and NSA) is in the Executive branch. That is where the intelligence came from. The Legislative branch has intelligence committees, but no agencies.

Have you ever heard of the House Armed Services Commitee?

How about the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence?

Most Libertarians are. Look at Alan Greenspan- perfect example of a Libertarian Republican. The Libertarian philosophy is a small government philosophy, which the Republican party USED to stand for. They used to promote tax cuts AND spending cuts. Now they promote tax cuts and spending increases; ie. deficits.

I see. So, you're a "registered Republican", but you just tell people that you're a registered Libertarian to throw them off. Check.

Here I will semi agree with you.

Then you're semi-correct. Unfortunately, you're still mostly wrong.

That said, implementing a tax cut was a horrible idea. The deficit was money already spent; it should have been paid down.

Actually, the economy grew at record levels under his first term because of the tax cuts.

I'm dying to know what sort of Libertarian doesn't believe in tax cuts.

Not from where I am standing they are not.

And where, exactly, are you standing?

Ever wonder why the one Republican candidate who advocated pulling immediately out of Iraq raised more money from military members than all other candidates combined?

Don't know. Don't care. Ever wonder why the candidate who proposed continuing on in the war in Iraq got more military votes in 2004 than any other candidate?

I can agree with you that they are doing nothing to help.

But they don't share the blame?

We need a true fiscal conservative who is true to the founding principles to straighten this out. You won't find such a person in the democratic party these days.

Right. A "true fiscal conservative" who doesn't believe in tax cuts. Good luck with that one.

 

[wpiman2]

Have you ever heard of the House Armed Services Commitee?

How about the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence?

They are a Committee. They can drag people in front of them and question them. They have NO intelligence gathering ability nor do they have and data analysis capabilities. How many men do they have on the streets of Baghdad? Zero.

Only executive branch agencies do this type of work- and they report to the President. There is some Congressional oversight- but at the end of the day- those agencies are run by the executive.

 

[wpiman2]

I see. So, you're a "registered Republican", but you just tell people that you're a registered Libertarian to throw them off. Check.

Actually, the economy grew at record levels under his first term because of the tax cuts.

I'm dying to know what sort of Libertarian doesn't believe in tax cuts.

And where, exactly, are you standing?

Don't know. Don't care. Ever wonder why the candidate who proposed continuing on in the war in Iraq got more military votes in 2004 than any other candidate?

But they don't share the blame?

Right. A "true fiscal conservative" who doesn't believe in tax cuts. Good luck with that one.

All Libertarians believe in tax cuts-- just most are fiscal Conservatives- which means that spending cuts are required as well.

You may call them "tax cuts". That is what we are told they are. In reality, they are "tax deferrals". That money is going to need to be paid back at some point, or it will need to be defaulted upon.

Do Democrats share the blame for supporting the Iraq war? Sure- perhaps those oversite committees did not dig deep enough. At the end of the day, intelligence was skewed by an executive branch agency to lead the US to war. Congress has a responsibility for oversight of that agency. They share some of the blame.

 

[MikeMcK]

All Libertarians believe in tax cuts

Except you, evidently.

 

[wpiman2]

Except you, evidently.

I believe in cuts, not deferrals.

 

[Bobfr]

How can you expect tax cuts with such a deficit ?

 

[JustOneWay]

How can you expect tax cuts with such a deficit ?

Spend less.

 

[Bobfr]

Cut army ressources ?

 

[JustOneWay]

Cut army ressources ?

I certainly wouldn't mind, but technically the military is one of the few things the federal government should have control over. I agree with a strong military although I disagree with the Iraq war based on the reasons we were told. I would love to see the department of education disappear and let our communities educate our children. I see no reason why my tax dollars should fund agencies like NASA. I would not mind cutting off charity to other countries.

 

[CCGirl]

You folks really need to cut military spending.

 

[IisJustMe]

Oops

"Oops" is right. You mistook a left wing radical group for responsible journalists. Gimma a break! You can swallow this pap if you wish. I choose the truth over hysterical fiction.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/misinformation_study