“Most wars are started by Democrats.” Huh?

[Archivist]

It boils down to why was war voted for or not ?

The war in Iraq, which those who supported Hillary claimed she didn't vote for the war, as the resolution she voted for didn't have the word "war," in it. However, this is tap dancing around the issue that she and the majority in Congress did in fact vote for the resolution knowing that it gave Bush the green light to invade Iraq. He was massing troops at the border in Kuwait before the vote was taken. Everyone knew he was preparing for war and it was called, the Iraq War. People like Hillary and Biden, voted for the war out of political expediency. When it started going bad and no WMD's were found, they turned against it and claimed they didn't vote for war.

In today's political environment, support for war has to do which way the political winds are blowing.

But I wasn’t talking about Iraq. I specifically addressed the Civil War and WWII.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

He sent soldiers, some of whom were killed by the enemy.

Doesn't matter that he sent some soldiers. What their job was makes the difference.

They were there to provide advice and training to the South Vietnamese and to inform the president on what was going on.

They weren't sent as a large combat operation.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

But I wasn’t talking about Iraq. I specifically addressed the Civil War and WWII.

This is the first line in your post.........."I’m curious, why does it matter what the party of the president was when the US got involved in a war?"

You asked the question now you want to argue about what I posted.

 

[The Barbarian]

But they "didn't count", because they were "advisors."

I'm glad that the people who built the Vietnam Memorial thought that they counted.

 

[Archivist]

This is the first line in your post.........."I’m curious, why does it matter what the party of the president was when the US got involved in a war?"

You asked the question now you want to argue about what I posted.

I didn’t argue about what you posted, but you posted had nothing to do with the examples I gave and wanted to discuss. Perhaps someone else will want to discuss the topic you raised; I do not.

 

[Archivist]

Doesn't matter that he sent some soldiers. What their job was makes the difference.

They were there to provide advice and training to the South Vietnamese and to inform the president on what was going on.

They weren't sent as a large combat operation.

We are just repeating ourselves. The fact is that the soldiers who Eisenhower sent to Vietnam who were killed have their names on the Vietnam Memorial. That means that experts on the war have determined that they died in the war. I will stick with their determination.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

But they "didn't count", because they were "advisors."

I'm glad that the people who built the Vietnam Memorial thought that they counted.

The point is that Eisenhower didn't take us into the Vietnam War.

Hope this helps !

 

[Archivist]

The point is that Eisenhower didn't take us into the Vietnam War.

Hope this helps !

But he did. According to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial the War began on 1 November 1955. Eisenhower was then president.

The following might be of help: WANT TO PLACE BLAME FOR VIETNAM? START WITH EISENHOWER

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

The Zimmerman note, offering Mexico recovery of Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona in return for declaring war on the United States pretty much made war inevitable.

Mexico didn't accept even accept the offer, and in any case it was conditional upon the US entering the war, so if anything it would strengthen the case against US entry into the war. Ironically, a hundred years later, we had a US political establishment that was indignant over a President daring to hinder the demographic annexation of those very lands by Mexico...

 

[The Barbarian]

Mexico didn't accept even accept the offer, and in any case it was conditional upon the US entering the war, so if anything it would strengthen the case against US entry into the war.

For some reason, Germany, promising to give Mexico a piece of the United States angered Americans, and let them know that Germany had hostile intentions toward us. It pretty much made war inevitable.

Ironically, a hundred years later, we had a US political establishment that was indignant over a President daring to hinder the demographic annexation of those very lands by Mexico...

Ah, alternative reality gaming. But we're talking about the real world, here.

 

[The Barbarian]

The point is that Eisenhower didn't take us into the Vietnam War.

That's what sending American troops into the war does. Eisenhower did that.