Study: False statements preceded war

[HannahBanana]

So then, why don't you go ahead and post the rest of their statements and be sure to point out the part that changes the meaning of the statements.

The simplest way to prove these statements wrong is to post all of them in their "proper context".

Believe it or not, I don't have enough time in order to do all of that. I do live a life outside of this forum, you know. I'll see if I can do that for you sometime soon, but right now, I have tons of classwork to do, and my spending time on here is not making that get done any quicker.

 

[MikeMcK]

Believe it or not, I don't have enough time in order to do all of that.

Yeah, somehow, I didn't think you would.

Call a liberal's bluff and watch them run away.

 

[JustOneWay]

Yeah, somehow, I didn't think you would.

Call a liberal's bluff and watch them run away.

I thought N & CE was a non debate area? Perhaps you would like to take your debate over to GPD?

 

[Billnew]

I wish people would stop posting topics that obviously
will be debated, cause I usually don't catch them until I've posted once or twice (when the debates start.)
But there is a lively debate in Political section on this topic.

 

[3girls2dogs]

You realze this study was funded by George Soros? It isn't an independant, unbiased study by any means.

 

[MikeMcK]

I thought N & CE was a non debate area? Perhaps you would like to take your debate over to GPD?

I'm not debating with her. I'm just asking her to back up her false accusations that I've taken the words of the Democrats out of context.

 

[SteveAtheist]

Both parties spread misinformation leading up to and after the start of the war. Neither side can claim to be innocent of statements that are now known to be false.

Were they 'lying'? Who knows. What we do know is that 'WMDs' were the reason we went in and there were none found. We also know there have been many lives negatively affected, both here and in Iraq, and the financial cost of the war has been tremendous.

The real question is 'what do we do now'?

 

[MikeMcK]

Both parties spread misinformation leading up to and after the start of the war. Neither side can claim to be innocent of statements that are now known to be false.

It would be more accurate to say that they spread bad information.

Both sides, Republicans and Democrats were just going on the best intel they had at that time.

That's the problem that we all have with the Democrats. Most of us agree that the information was bad, but why won't they be consistent and admit that both sides said essentially the same thing, instead of these dopey chants like "Bush lied, people died"?

It's just not honest to accuse President Bush of lying, but refuse to acknowledge that it must also be a lie when a Democrat says it.

We don't want them to stop criticizing President Bush. We just want them to be honest in their criticism.

 

[SteveAtheist]

It would be more accurate to say that they spread bad information.

Both sides, Republicans and Democrats were just going on the best intel they had at that time.

That's the problem that we all have with the Democrats. Most of us agree that the information was bad, but why won't they be consistent and admit that both sides said essentially the same thing, instead of these dopey chants like "Bush lied, people died"?

It's just not honest to accuse President Bush of lying, but refuse to acknowledge that it must also be a lie when a Democrat says it.

We don't want them to stop criticizing President Bush. We just want them to be honest in their criticism.

You seem to be only focused on what the Democrats have done. Lets not forget that the party in control of the Senate, Congress and White House, was the Republican party. If you are in charge, you are responsible.

That aside, what do we do now, Mike?

 

[fieldy]

I don't care if you support them or not. The fact that you're so willing to call President Bush a liar, but you won't say a word about Democrats who said the very same things, shows that you're a bunch of hypocrites.

Cute kid.

 

[JustOneWay]

I'm not debating with her. I'm just asking her to back up her false accusations that I've taken the words of the Democrats out of context.

Why are you talking about the democrats any way? The OP is about Bush?

 

[MikeMcK]

You seem to be only focused on what the Democrats have done.

I'm not focusing on Democrats.

Didn't I just say "Both sides, Republicans and Democrats were just going on the best intel they had at that time."

Lets not forget that the party in control of the Senate, Congress and White House, was the Republican party. If you are in charge, you are responsible.

You don't understand. I'm not talking about who did what or who is responsible.

I'm talking about the inconsistency and dishonesty of claiming that President Bush lied, but refusing to admit that, if it was a lie when President Bush said it, then it must have also been a lie when the Democrats said it.

That aside, what do we do now, Mike?

We kill the insurgents, destroy their infrastructure, come home and get rested up for Iran.

 

[SteveAtheist]

I'm not focusing on Democrats.

Didn't I just say "Both sides, Republicans and Democrats were just going on the best intel they had at that time."

You don't understand. I'm not talking about who did what or who is responsible.

I'm talking about the inconsistency and dishonesty of claiming that President Bush lied, but refusing to admit that, if it was a lie when President Bush said it, then it must have also been a lie when the Democrats said it.

You acknowledge that we went in based on bad information. Fair enough. I think we agree that many are to blame.

We kill the insurgents, destroy their infrastructure, come home and get rested up for Iran.

Killing insurgents has been rather expensive and it has taken many years so far. I don't really think its as easy as 'just kill em'.

You seem to be ready to go into Iran. How do you justify this?

For a Christian, you certainly don't seem to mind a little killing here and there.

 

[wpiman2]

It would be more accurate to say that they spread bad information.

Both sides, Republicans and Democrats were just going on the best intel they had at that time.

Well, who was in control of the intelligence at that time? Testimonies by those in the CIA seem to indicate that the administration cherry picked intelligence. No doubt all sides do it, but doing to do so to start a war is treasonous.

I am a registered Republican, but in no way do I support the Bush administration. This party used to be about a strong defense and fiscal responsibility. This administration has killed the surplus, and spread the military so thin they can barely function. We can't even control our own borders.

 

[Ave Maria]

I say it is far beyond time to impeach Bush!

 

[MikeMcK]

Well, who was in control of the intelligence at that time? Testimonies by those in the CIA seem to indicate that the administration cherry picked intelligence.

Have you ever heard of the House Armed Services Commitee?

How about the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence?

I am a registered Republican...

Which, naturally, explains why your icon says you're a Libertarian.

This administration has killed the surplus

There was no surplus. It was only on paper.

Think of it this way: a contractor comes to your house and tells you that it's going to cost $4,000 dollars to replace the sewer line in your front yard.

After the work is done, he comes back and says, "I have good news. I was able to save you $1,000, so it's only going to cost you $3,000".

So, do you say "Hey, that's great! You're giving me $1,000"?

Of course you don't because you're still three grand in the hole.

In the same way, when we talk about a budget surplus, we're not talking about money that magically appeared out of nowhere. We're just saying that we didn't spend as much money as we thought we would.

and spread the military so thin they can barely function.

Actually, they're functioning pretty well.

We can't even control our own borders.

And what is the Democrat-led Congress doing to help?

 

[BlessEwe]

I think what bothers me the most is that many of us could see through Bush and apposed the war. We were called Anti-American, Un-Christian... because we didn't support Bush. This just burns me up, and what gets to me now is "Well the Dems did it too"... Sounds like something my kids would say.

 

[MikeMcK]

what gets to me now is "Well the Dems did it too"... Sounds like something my kids would say.

And my kids are too mature to say "it's a lie when your guy does it, but it's not a lie when my guy does it".

Again, my point wasn't to excuse President Bush, but to point out the Democrat's hypocrisy in condemning him, but refusing to hold their own people to the same standard.

 

[MikeMcK]

I say it is far beyond time to impeach Bush!

On what grounds?

 

[3girls2dogs]

Look, while I know this whole "Bush Lied, People Died" thing has a real hook to it for some people, let's be honest here. George Soros funded this study. I tried to find a news source that would please everyone for a link, but *gasp and shock* none of the mainstream media that pushed the study mentioned it.

The Center for Public Integrity claims to be non-Partisan, but is funded by such left-wing notables as George Soros through the Open Society Instute, who has donated over $1.5 million to the Center. They are also funded by the Ford Foundation, The Heinz Endowment, and the Streisand Foundation.

This was not a non-partisan study, and it was done so that the media could continue to pat itself on the back.