Struggling with Masturbation

[Bluelion]

When in doubt ask if you think Jesus would do it. Now I don't know about you but even the thought of Jesus doing it is offensive to me. Drinking wine is not a sin and Jesus drank, but he never got drunk which he said was unwise. I think if it was not a sin and so great as some people claim Jesus would have partaken.

So ok Jesus would not do it so the bible must speak against it. It does Paul says make no provisions for the flesh. Masturbation is making provisions. Paul also said not to give in to desires of the flesh, which masturbation is. 2 Peter say all scripture is written by God through men, so there for It is a command from God, to disobey is a sin, which makes it no different than Adam eating the forbidden fruit. Is it a sin Yes.

If you think of a woman you saw or something on tv that is then adultery and most men do think of women, how do i know I am a man that's how. So then you have a whole deeper level of sin.

All that being said if you have Jesus your not going to hell because of it, repent, pray for help God will lead you away from it. We all sin that is why Jesus had to come and pay are debt. Paul wrestle with sin and said we would as well. This is the Good Fight. When we will be free from sin completely is when we get are new bodies, sinless bodies incorruptible bodies to match are spirit. So keep fighting it and wrestling with it.

One thing I learned is when The Holy Spirit convicts a person Good comes from it, the person repents turns to God. When you feel ashamed and want to run from God, that is satan accusing you before God. The book Bondage breaker shined light on this, and basically says what i wrote.

Keep fighting the Good Fight, get back up every time you fall, and remember you only fail when you give up which, Jesus said we are never to do. peace and love

one more thing we are not under the law, we are under grace and faith in Jesus, so it's not about wether or not it breaks the law it is disobeying God which we are to struggle to try to be perfect like Jesus, but we have forgiveness not condemnation.

 

[revrobor]

Um...you're fornicating with yourself. Answer me this, how does masturbation bring glory to God?

Titus 3:3
At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another.

Hence the phrase "pleasuring one's self."

That said, Im guilty as sin of this as well.

My prayers are with you OP

There is no such thing a fornicating with yourself. Fornication is having sexual intercourse. Titus 3:3 doesn't apply. Are you really that desperate to try to find Scriptural support for your opinion?

 

[Epiphoskei]

There has never been a time that the church has recognized that simply by removing the woman from the equation, everything else involved in having sex with a woman doesn't constitute sexual activity, and thus sexual impurity when used outside the marriage relationship.

 

[Digout]

Correct, sir.

Thank you!

 

[iambren]

"When in doubt ask if you think Jesus would do it. Now I don't know about you but even the thought of Jesus doing it is offensive to me. Drinking wine is not a sin and Jesus drank, but he never got drunk which he said was unwise. I think if it was not a sin and so great as some people claim Jesus would have partaken.

"So ok Jesus would not do it so the bible must speak against it. It does Paul says make no provisions for the flesh. Masturbation is making provisions. Paul also said not to give in to desires of the flesh, which masturbation is."



Oh,this made me laugh--

1 Bible does NOT state what Jesus did, YOU did!

2 Jesus drank wine(moderation),so we can touch moderately?

3 Jesus didn't say mb was/was not to be partaken.

4 "Provision for the flesh" Well stop eating and drinking.

5 Your stating it makes it so?! Masturbation=of the flesh?

 

[Epiphoskei]

It's self-evident that masturbation is a sexual act. As long as you don't feel that the burden of proof is on you to establish what's different about it that causes it, alone, out of all aspects of human sexuality, to have an appropriate expression outside of marriage, this debate will go nowhere.

But ask yourself this - do you really want to be aligning yourself with people who say either "it's fine because it's natural" or "it's fine because self-control on this issue is impossible"? The fact that one side of this debate regularly contradicts standard positions on the mortification of sin should be cause for serious concern.

 

[Ringo84]

The supposed rules against masturbation come from 17th Century puritanism...not the Bible. I would argue that masturbation is a way to not "give in to the flesh".
Ringo

 

[Digout]

"When in doubt ask if you think Jesus would do it. Now I don't know about you but even the thought of Jesus doing it is offensive to me. Drinking wine is not a sin and Jesus drank, but he never got drunk which he said was unwise. I think if it was not a sin and so great as some people claim Jesus would have partaken.

"So ok Jesus would not do it so the bible must speak against it. It does Paul says make no provisions for the flesh. Masturbation is making provisions. Paul also said not to give in to desires of the flesh, which masturbation is."



Oh,this made me laugh--

1 Bible does NOT state what Jesus did, YOU did!

2 Jesus drank wine(moderation),so we can touch moderately?

3 Jesus didn't say mb was/was not to be partaken.

4 "Provision for the flesh" Well stop eating and drinking.

5 Your stating it makes it so?! Masturbation=of the flesh?

We need to eat and drink for our sustenance to lead a useful Spirit led lives. People will have better lives without masturbation.

Jesus did not include in His prayer permission to touch! There is nothing like moderate masturbation!

 

[Ringo84]

People will have better lives without masturbation.

Why?

There is nothing like moderate masturbation!

How do you know that? Is masturbation an all or nothing sort of thing?

I mean, presumably, you don't do it, so I'm wondering how you know this.
Ringo

 

[Digout]

People will have better lives without masturbation.

Why?

An artificial one cannot match natural!

There is nothing like moderate masturbation!
How do you know that? Is masturbation an all or nothing sort of thing?

Each attempt brings climax--so no moderation!

I mean, presumably, you don't do it, so I'm wondering how you know this.
Ringo

You have missed out my earlier postings. I struggled on this for decades before I was set free by Jesus Christ!

 

[Ringo84]

An artificial one cannot match natural!

An artificial what?

Seriously. I'm not following.

Each attempt brings climax--so no moderation!

Is it not possible for people to enjoy masturbation in moderation?

I struggled on this for decades before I was set free by Jesus Christ!

Well, if that's your experience, I respect that. However, there is a difference between people who touch to excess (in my opinion, where doing so interferes with normal life) and others who only do it once or twice a day. It's not necessarily true that ALL those who touch do so to excess.
Ringo

 

[iambren]

This is a new concept--"moderate masturbation."


I see that as someone whose sexual tension that builds over days/weeks mbs to get relief. Ok by me. That's different from someone slavishly masturbating 5X/day in a sexual mania. If the Christian life does not call for all things in moderation then what does?

 

[Alithis]

[/B]An artificial what?

Seriously. I'm not following.



[/B]Is it not possible for people to enjoy masturbation in moderation?



Well, if that's your experience, I respect that. However, there is a difference between people who touch to excess (in my opinion, where doing so interferes with normal life) and others who only do it once or twice a day. It's not necessarily true that ALL those who touch do so to excess.
Ringo

to the question of moderation .. i agree that there is none . one goes all out to fulfill the desire of the flesh and must ,in doing so ,cast off the will of the Holy Spirit .. there is no moderation in such an act .

we are not called to fulfill the desires of the flesh but to walk in the Spirit ..
A new way of life for a new creature in Christ Jesus .

 

[jesse630]

What makes masturbation so tough for someone to tackle is it's habitual nature. One gets "addicted" to it. But, believe it or not, by turning your life and will over to Jesus Christ, prayer, fasting, and regular confession, it can be conquered. Chastity can be quite sensationally pleasant as well. It's difficult to describe. It's an inner warmth created by knowing you're conforming to God's will. It's also a feeling of real freedom. The freedom to do right.

 

[98cwitr]

There is no such thing a fornicating with yourself. Fornication is having sexual intercourse. Titus 3:3 doesn't apply. Are you really that desperate to try to find Scriptural support for your opinion?

masturbation  

mas·tur·ba·tion [mas-ter-bey-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
the stimulation or manipulation of one's own genitals, especially to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]; sexual self-gratification.
2.
the stimulation, by manual or other means exclusive of coitus, of another's genitals, especially to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].

^^^this brings glory to God how exactly?

"sexual self-gratification" <--- Titus 3:3 applies.

It's a sad day when a man would rather "take care of himself" than have sex with his own wife

 

[Alithis]

masturbation &#8194;

mas·tur·ba·tion [mas-ter-bey-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
the stimulation or manipulation of one's own genitals, especially to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]; sexual self-gratification.
2.
the stimulation, by manual or other means exclusive of coitus, of another's genitals, especially to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].

^^^this brings glory to God how exactly?

"sexual self-gratification" <--- Titus 3:3 applies.

It's a sad day when a man would rather "take care of himself" than have sex with his own wife

and an even sadder day when Christians consider the will of the flesh to be more important then the will of God

 

[Bluelion]

"When in doubt ask if you think Jesus would do it. Now I don't know about you but even the thought of Jesus doing it is offensive to me. Drinking wine is not a sin and Jesus drank, but he never got drunk which he said was unwise. I think if it was not a sin and so great as some people claim Jesus would have partaken.

"So ok Jesus would not do it so the bible must speak against it. It does Paul says make no provisions for the flesh. Masturbation is making provisions. Paul also said not to give in to desires of the flesh, which masturbation is."



Oh,this made me laugh--

1 Bible does NOT state what Jesus did, YOU did!

2 Jesus drank wine(moderation),so we can touch moderately?

3 Jesus didn't say mb was/was not to be partaken.

4 "Provision for the flesh" Well stop eating and drinking.

5 Your stating it makes it so?! Masturbation=of the flesh?

I guess what Paul said was true also false teachers do lead people into sin.

I find it funny you would preach against the word of God hmmm, what does that make you now. Wow well see because Jesus lives in me I know him and he wrote this Book called The Bible so I would know him. So what is your argument again?

I stick to the truth, I have little time for lies.

 

[iambren]

"I find it funny you would preach against the word of God hmmm, what does that make you now. "


Wow,man,you're just talkin' to the wind; no foundation in the accusation even. Sad,really sad.

 

[Bluelion]

"I find it funny you would preach against the word of God hmmm, what does that make you now. "


Wow,man,you're just talkin' to the wind; no foundation in the accusation even. Sad,really sad.

I already showed how it is a sin yet you claim it is not, your preach sin is not sin, The foundation in that is Jesus. I did not make the law.

Yet i did not condemn him for the sin now did i. I said every sins to keep fighting, what you preach is to sin and say it's not. That is the system of this world and not of God. I happen to have formal bible train from a baptist school. So you in your great wisdom don't see it as a sin, many many church elders agree God sees it as sin. I could also argue it is sexual immorality.

You obviously don't understand what making provisions for the flesh mean. So don't go off half cocked at me because of your ignorance.

 

[iambren]

It would make most any Christian go off on someone accusing them they are preaching AGAINST the Word. Your arrogance in claiming to have this argument sewed up is what is so offensive. I reviewed your comments and they are weak or can be rebutted easily.

Look,if you feel guilty about mb then don't do it. But don't presume you are the last word because with humility it is debatable. We can list all day where other esteemed Christian leaders stand and the ARE on both sides. James Dobson is very respected yet took a stand that it was not a sin,he saw the demoralizing effect it had on adolescent males and thought it through. So there is no DONE DEAL here,despite what you think.

And to call out a brother teaching against the Bible?! Over the top.